Suicide

[Alphazero]

A girl at my school (11th grade) killed herself last night.

The papers (very unreliable, in my opinion) blamed the parents for pressuring her over her grades. I didn't know her personally, and I'm not familiar with the precise circumstances. However, whatever the case may be, I believe that there is absolutely nothing, nothing at all, that can justify taking one's own life, especially at age 17.

A lot of sh!t happens in this crazy world, but most people have the strength to pull through. This girl also had a lot of friends and had access to all the support she needed to deal with her problems - school counselors, etc... That what makes this case such a horrible waste of life, a terrible shame. There is nothing that human spirit cannot overcome. If it comes to suicide, it is because of that person's own weakness of character. I also believe that when someone commits this most awful of crimes, he / she is thinking only of themselves. They're certainly not thinking about all the people that care about them, nor of the dozens that can help them. Think of what she has done to her parents and siblings - the guilt. Her friends (and she had a lot, she was also a guide in the Scouts) are now scarred for life.

Why does this have to happen?

 

[Zim Hosein]

 

[Descartes]

How did she do it?

Is that an appropriate question?

 

[Platypus]

sorry to hear

 

[bauerbrazil]

Your judging her saying that she had weakness of caracter, how can you say this? You don't know if she was pressured by her parents and if there other factors. Yes, there are crap parents in this world, how can you judge her when you have good parents? I suppose.

 

[deerslayer]

Originally posted by: Alphazero
A girl at my school (11th grade) killed herself last night.

The papers (very unreliable, in my opinion) blamed the parents for pressuring her over her grades. I didn't know her personally, and I'm not familiar with the precise circumstances. However, whatever the case may be, I believe that there is absolutely nothing, nothing at all, that can justify taking one's own life, especially at age 17.

A lot of sh!t happens in this crazy world, but most people have the strength to pull through. This girl also had a lot of friends and had access to all the support she needed to deal with her problems - school counselors, etc... That what makes this case such a horrible waste of life, a terrible shame. There is nothing that human spirit cannot overcome. If it comes to suicide, it is because of that person's own weakness of character. I also believe that when someone commits this most awful of crimes, he / she is thinking only of themselves. They're certainly not thinking about all the people that care about them, nor of the dozens that can help them. Think of what she has done to her parents and siblings - the guilt. Her friends (and she had a lot, she was also a guide in the Scouts) are now scarred for life.

Why does this have to happen?

Personally I believe it happens because of a mental illness/change/problem whatever. One of my family members killed themselves last year. I never would have imagined him doing it, could never even forsee a reason for him to, but things happen and people don't know how to deal with them, and they would rather die than continue on trying to deal with that problem.

Is it stupid? Yeah, it's incredibly stupid. I can tell you this though, the few times I saw him that year after hunting season, he was not the same person. I wish I had known what was going on, maybe I could have helped somehow, maybe not, but there is rarely a day that goes by that I don't wonder why the he11 he did it and if it could have been stopped somehow.

 

[MomAndSkoorbaby]

 

[Supermercado]

Sorry to hear that.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Descartes
How did she do it?

Is that an appropriate question?

No, it's not.

Viper GTS

 

[Alphazero]

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Your judging her saying that she had weakness of caracter, how can you say this? You don't know if she was pressured by her parents and if there other factors. Yes, there are crap parents in this world, how can you judge her when you have good parents? I suppose.

Even if she had abonimable parents, does it justify suicide? People have overcome much worse. And, as I said before, there were many people that could have helped her.

 

[Kenazo]

that's brutal, blaming the parents for it. Even if it is their fault, I'm sure they loved this girl. Sometimes i guess you can love someone to death.

 

[Palek]

A very similar thing happened in my high school back when I was there (how long ago was that...). The students in our school were 99.9% white (that's kind of the way it is in Hungary). There was a single gypsy student one grade under me. I did not know him very well, but he seemed like a decent kid. He had a lot of courage to go to an all-white school, considering how discrimination against gypsies in Hungary in still common and acceptable (shame on us... ). Anyway, one day we heard that the kid threw himself off the top of some tall building. That was probably the saddest and most shameful day in the short history of my school. As it turned out, the kid was constantly teased and bullied by his classmates. After a while he just could not take it anymore and decided he'd be better off dead. His classmates did a lot of weeping, but of course that did not bring him back.

The degree of cruelty human beings are capable of never ceases to shock me.

 

[Pepsei]

is this in Isreal?

 

[Alphazero]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
is this in Isreal?

Yeah.

 

[ScrapSilicon]

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Palek
A very similar thing happened in my high school back when I was there (how long ago was that...). The students in our school were 99.9% white (that's kind of the way it is in Hungary). There was a single gypsy student one grade under me. I did not know him very well, but he seemed like a decent kid. He had a lot of courage to go to an all-white school, considering how discrimination against gypsies in Hungary in still common and acceptable (shame on us... ). Anyway, one day we heard that the kid threw himself off the top of some tall building. That was probably the saddest and most shameful day in the short history of my school. As it turned out, the kid was constantly teased and bullied by his classmates. After a while he just could not take it anymore and decided he'd be better off dead. His classmates did a lot of weeping, but of course that did not bring him back.

The degree of cruelty human beings are capable of never ceases to shock me.

And the question is whether they felt truly sorry for the pain they had caused, or just felt bad for themselves.
Suicide should never be the answer, although when it can and will only get worse, it sometimes feels like the only possible release.

I grieve for the girl.

 

[BD231]

Originally posted by: Alphazero

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Your judging her saying that she had weakness of caracter, how can you say this? You don't know if she was pressured by her parents and if there other factors. Yes, there are crap parents in this world, how can you judge her when you have good parents? I suppose.

Even if she had abonimable parents, does it justify suicide? People have overcome much worse. And, as I said before, there were many people that could have helped her.

Sh*tty lives are what usually drive people to kill themselfs, that or body image problems(BBD). A person may apear to have all the right friends and help, but you don't have a single clue what's going on in her life and what other factors play into her death. If a person is extreme enough to kill themself, then you have to be content with the fact that there was something VERY wrong going on in that persons life, head, or both. It's a waste for sure, but don't blame her for doing it, blame the fvcked up world we live in. Your crude for saying a 17 year old girl you've never known is weak.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Alphazero

A lot of sh!t happens in this crazy world, but most people have the strength to pull through. This girl also had a lot of friends and had access to all the support she needed to deal with her problems - school counselors, etc... That what makes this case such a horrible waste of life, a terrible shame. There is nothing that human spirit cannot overcome. If it comes to suicide, it is because of that person's own weakness of character. I also believe that when someone commits this most awful of crimes, he / she is thinking only of themselves. They're certainly not thinking about all the people that care about them, nor of the dozens that can help them. Think of what she has done to her parents and siblings - the guilt. Her friends (and she had a lot, she was also a guide in the Scouts) are now scarred for life.

Why does this have to happen?

Researchers are not 100% sure of what causes depression. It may not be a weakness of character, but rather even a chemical imbalance on ones brain that excasperates the situation. This physical problem maybe was made worse by the girls environment. Adults with ADD are sometimes called lazy, are they truly just lazy bums looking for an excuse or is there really something miss firing in a sufferers brain? I am not trying to blame suicide on a physical problem, but maybe jsut to help make you understand why someone may decide to do that. They are not necessarily trying to hurt the ones around them.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Descartes
How did she do it?

Is that an appropriate question?

I'm afraid it's not. In 1995, my finacee's brother committed suicide. The papers revealed that he shot himself, but my fiancee still had people ask her in the grocery store line, "What kind of gun did he use?" They didn't stop to think that her feelings are more important that their own morbid curiosity. I realize the person who posted this did not know the girl, but I think it's best not to give in to our curiosity.

 

[Alphazero]

Originally posted by: BD231

Originally posted by: Alphazero

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Your judging her saying that she had weakness of caracter, how can you say this? You don't know if she was pressured by her parents and if there other factors. Yes, there are crap parents in this world, how can you judge her when you have good parents? I suppose.

Even if she had abonimable parents, does it justify suicide? People have overcome much worse. And, as I said before, there were many people that could have helped her.

Sh*tty lives are what usually drive people to kill themselfs, that or body image problems(BBD). A person may apear to have all the right friends and help, but you don't have a single clue what's going on in her life and what other factors play into her death. If a person is extreme enough to kill themself, then you have to be content with the fact that there was something VERY wrong going on in that persons life, head, or both. It's a waste for sure, but don't blame her for doing it, blame the fvcked up world we live in. Your crude for saying a 17 year old girl you've never known is weak.

I'll admit, that was a harsh generalisation. However, we all live in this fvcked up world. True, we don't all have serious problems, but suicide is not an acceptable option in any case. It is not a solution, not an answer to any kind of problem. On the contrary, it's just giving up on life. I honestly can't imagine how someone could do such a thing.

 

[Blieb]

:|

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Descartes
How did she do it?

Is that an appropriate question?

I'm afraid it's not. In 1995, my finacee's brother committed suicide. The papers revealed that he shot himself, but my fiancee still had people ask her in the grocery store line, "What kind of gun did he use?" They didn't stop to think that her feelings are more important that their own morbid curiosity. I realize the person who posted this did not know the girl, but I think it's best not to give in to our curiosity.

Several people in my life have committed suicide (none related to me, however), and it seems each respective method used was highly indicative of the problems they were experiencing in their life. That's why I ask; not out of morbid curiosity.

 

[Maleficus]

I don't think its about having the strength to pull through its more like wanting to pull through...

If i could just pop out of exsistence and never have exsisted I would.

 

[Alphazero]

Originally posted by: Kenazo
that's brutal, blaming the parents for it. Even if it is their fault, I'm sure they loved this girl. Sometimes i guess you can love someone to death.

I agree. The papers don't know jack. As if the parents don't have it hard enough already. The insensitivty of the press can be so frustrating sometimes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Humans live tenuous lives. They concern themselves with jobs food shelter and beyond that status. There are precious few who care about the big picture, who think about what is wrong with the way we live. We have created a world built on competition. Competition is a disguised form of hostility. In order to win in this world you basically have to learn to be an animal, self centered and self involved. Some of us don't make it. The rupture between what we were meant to be and what we train ourselves to become instead is too great. The psychic wounds are too much to bare.

It does no good to criticize that poor dead girl now. She is beyond reach. There is nothing we can do but remember. We are all responsible for her death because we are all asleep. Our silence and our lack of awareness as to what we are and what our lives could mean creates this world of death. We suffer from the disease of self hate. We teach it to our kids. We don't want to know because to know is to remember, and to remember is to re-experience what we suffered. Our world is a pretense, a pretence that everything is OK, that we aren't sick at all, that the enemy is you and you and you. We can grasp the magnitude of the problem if we consider for a moment what the implications would be if every person felt, unconsciously, that he or she was the worst person in the world. Not knowing that you felt that way and not knowing that the feelings were only feelings totally without any truth to them, you can imagine, I think, that if by some quirk of fate those feelings started to leak through to consciousness, you might choose death as preferable. We are caught in the most profound of catch 22s imaginable. We hate ourselves and cannot let ourselves know it because we fear it is true. It is true in that we feel it, but it is not true in reality. That is why you have to die to be reborn, but die in the psyche, not the body.

"Did you but suffer you would not suffer." A saying attributed to Jesus.