Swapping CPU in a Dell E1505

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According to the manual, the Dell E1505 has a socket cpu, not a soldered one. Has anyone upgraded their CPU in one yet? The new Core 2 Duo chip should be swappable and Dell recently released a BIOS update and is selling their notebooks with both Core Cuo and Core 2 Duo options, so I assume it's possible.
 

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Hi, just swapped the cpu in my Inspiron 6400. It had an Core Duo T2400 now it is powered by a T7200
The CPU is dedected fine by the BIOS.
Did some quik tests. Linux 32 bit boots fine. Shipped MCE boots fine. Ubuntu Dapper 6.06.1 amd64 !! livecd boots fine.
 

postmortemIA

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It is swappable ,there is BIOS, and there's no point to switch to Core2:
- 64-bit linux nad windows are pain it the as*
- CPU spends 90% of time in low speedstep mode
- paying $250 for 10% performance increase that make no difference
 

HomeyFoos

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Why would you say it's pointless with a new 64-bit OS on the horizon? People pay all sorts of money for the 10% performance increase you are talking about. Are you one of those people who only think your cool if you have a mid-line PC? It's not your money, right? This guy is asking a legitimate question. Why be negative? He didn't ask where he could send you the bill, right?

Not to mention, it's rather disheartening to buy a new system and a month later, the latest and greatest comes out in your model. Do you think it's pointless to upgrade your ram after-market for the 10% increase in performance that 'make no difference'? Is it pointless to buy a car that goes more than 75mph?




 

postmortemIA

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Originally posted by: HomeyFoos
Why would you say it's pointless with a new 64-bit OS on the horizon? People pay all sorts of money for the 10% performance increase you are talking about. Are you one of those people who only think your cool if you have a mid-line PC? It's not your money, right? This guy is asking a legitimate question. Why be negative? He didn't ask where he could send you the bill, right?

Not to mention, it's rather disheartening to buy a new system and a month later, the latest and greatest comes out in your model. Do you think it's pointless to upgrade your ram after-market for the 10% increase in performance that 'make no difference'? Is it pointless to buy a car that goes more than 75mph?
Have you tried that 64-bit OS? I ran x64 when it came out; so I did x64 version of vista beta. There's no positive difference, just waste of time and money. There are no drivers, no applications, but ton of bugs. In a fact, he'll end up using 64-bit cpu in 32-bit system, just like you do.

And I have two Athlon 64 CPUs in my other systems, of course running in 32-bit mode

x64=illusion



 

ebsi

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Sure, i use 64 Bit Linux on AMD, Intel and Sparc Platforms. Maybe it's MS fault that x64 Windows is so ******.
In the Linux world it's normal to use a 64 bit OS. The driver situation there is good.
 

HomeyFoos

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Isn't Vista coming out this year? The summer is over. Fall is here and soon, Christmas will be here.

Supposedly, the new 64-bit OS will be out by then and his Core Duo will not take full advantage of it.

Why is it a waste of time and money? It's not your time or your money, right? So what you are saying is that for YOU it is not worth the time and the money, right? Because surely, you have no idea what too much time or money is for the OP, do you?




 

postmortemIA

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I have pretty clear idea what is money to OP, because he has budget oriented version of E1505. My point is from today's persepctive he's not going to gain anything but waste money. But you have no clue what you are talking about. Why don't you install 64-bit OS to your system all tell him all about how great is.

Unlike you I have same laptop, and I know that:
*touchpad won't work on x64, there's no driver for it
*ethernet won't either
*sound card might work
*media prots won't for sure

so there are 0 advantages (number of things it does better than 32-bit version) and a few disadvantages. Not to forgot to mention that intel's implementation of AMD64 is not as efficient as AMD's.
 

HomeyFoos

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Are you hearing me? I'm saying that THIS YEAR (in 3.5 mos or less) Vista will be out (if you listen to MS). It is a 64-bit OS. His current CPU will not take full advantage of this OS. He has shown willingness to upgrade and made no mention of budget. He said he was ready to upgrade his month-old notebook. What is the problem here? NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, is suggesting that he loads up xp64. Where did you get that from? There will be a new 64bit in 3.5 mos, as I have already said three times now. But for some reason, you just gloss over that and keep referring to x64.

I get it. You think it's a waste. The OP does not, as evidenced by his post. Why would you be negative about his question and say it's a waste? Did he ask you if he should spend the money on it? Or if you would do this? NO! He asked if it was possible. The link was given and I hope he has a wonderful time upgrading his machine. I will probably upgrade my e1705 (non-budget - pretty decked out - so I guess I'm not cool) to a top-shelf Merom. I'll be sure to report back and tell you how much of my time and money I wasted. Let me know how that budget machine works out for you.


I had to edit my post because I misread something. I was mistaken that the OP did not say he was wanting to upgrade his month old notebook. That was sjvlad. However, the OP did not seem to worried about budget if he is wanting info on an upgrade. So I stand by my position of 'waste' is in the eye of the beholder.
 

postmortemIA

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Originally posted by: HomeyFoos
Are you hearing me? I'm saying that THIS YEAR (in 3.5 mos or less) Vista will be out (if you listen to MS). It is a 64-bit OS. His current CPU will not take full advantage of this OS. He has shown willingness to upgrade and made no mention of budget. He said he was ready to upgrade his month-old notebook. What is the problem here? NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, is suggesting that he loads up xp64. Where did you get that from? There will be a new 64bit in 3.5 mos, as I have already said three times now. But for some reason, you just gloss over that and keep referring to x64.


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The OP doesn't give sh** about anything cuz he hasn't replied. As I said you really have no clue what you are talking about. Get your facts straight. Vista has two versions, 32-bit and 64-bit one. His existing CPU won't be able to even run 64-bit version, saying "won't be able to take full advantage of it" is nonsense. But he will be able to use 32-bit version, which is going to be better for use anyway, even for people with 64-bit CPUs, you like it or not. Do you have clue how moronic you sound? x64 is platform, not operating system. The're are x64 versions of Linux, Windows XP..and Vista. And I tried them all... have you tried any?
 

HomeyFoos

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Get your facts straight. Vista has two versions, 32-bit and 64-bit one. His existing CPU won't be able to even run 64-bit version, saying "won't be able to take full advantage of it" is nonsense.

LOL. I am implying that if you want to use the 32-bit version, you are not taking full advantage of Vista. You SPECULATE that the 32-bit will be better, but I'm not sure what you are basing this off of. There may be some driver issues upon release but those should be quickly fixed when the masses who have had 64-bit chips for 3 years are banging on your CS department. You are foolish to imply such things.

A platform? LOL. Whatever makes you happy. Is this laptop going to ship with Linux? Is it going to ship with XP 64? I was at the dell site earlier and they offer no such thing. When Vista is released, the machines will ship with Vista. Now, they ship with XP home, pro, or MCE.

This all started because you decided to be a prick and tell someone how to spend their money when you weren't asked. I assume the OP has found what he is looking for and could care less about your opinion or mine. I'm fine with that. Apparently, you are not. I wish him well and hope he enjoys his upgraded system.

Also, I have not used any 64bit OS's because I have no need for them. There are currently driver issues with many components. HOWEVER, that should all be nice and clean by the time the premier OS from MicroSoft is 64-bit. Hardware has been available for some time now (3 years appx) and the switch is on the horizon. So while I would not recommend him running out and paying a premium for a Merom chip, in the NEAR future when prices come down a little, there is nothing wasteful about it. Some people look forward and are not held back by people stuck in the now. XP will be supplanted in the near future and those who want all the benefits from their 64-bit hardware that they paid good money for will migrate over when they see that Vista will be supported in a way that XP 64 could not.

As for moronic, dude, seriously, learn to type and articulate yourself before you call people names like that. You sound like a teenager who thinks the words 'I guarantee you' are some sort of proof.




 

postmortemIA

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You SPECULATE that the 32-bit will be better, but I'm not sure what you are basing this off of.
HOWEVER, that should all be nice and clean by the time the premier OS from MicroSoft is 64-bit.

And that is not speculation? No, it is more of a non-sense.
LOL. I am implying that if you want to use the 32-bit version, you are not taking full advantage of Vista.
That is complete BS. There' won't be special 64 stuff. Quite contrary, half of stuff in x64 will be 32-bit running in a wrapper.

When Vista is released, the machines will ship with Vista.
Indeed. At that is going to be 32-bit version, because no company will dare to give support and waste their money and efforts on 64-bit one.

A definition of moron is someone who you have to tell something three times to get it. Congrats- There will be two versions of Vista, 32-bit one and 64-bit one.

Also, I have not used any 64bit OS's because I have no need for them.

Then shut the ****** up when you don't have direct experience. I've tried x64 Vista and it is useless on my other laptop. Hardware companies are not dying to write two sets of drivers, one in completely new platform, especially not for their older hardware, which is omni-present.

If Vista 32-bit and 64-bit are going to look the same, and 64-bit has compability issue- which one is better for a user?

 

HomeyFoos

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And that is not speculation? No, it is more of a non-sense.

Wait a second...Can we agree that Microsoft is the largest software company in the world? And more people use their Operating Systems than anyone else by a LONG shot? I hope we can. And if that is the case, you must be kidding yourself to think the new FLAGSHIP OPERATING SYSTEM will NOT be supported my 3rd-party manufacturers. So, while I MAY be speculating, I think you are foolish to think that 32-bit processors will be superior (1) and (2) the main focus of support.

Furthermore, EVEN IF I am speculating (and I don't think I'm making any news-worthy claims here - no shockers), it does not change the fact that you are speculating. So I guess nice dodge.

That is complete BS. There' won't be special 64 stuff. Quite contrary, half of stuff in x64 will be 32-bit running in a wrapper.

And that is great. I was told there was additional functionality in the 64-bit version. I read something to that effect also. I believe it was here. Regardless, they HAVE to make a 32-bit version of this OS because most of the world has p4's or older systems and are not going to upgrade just to get a 64bit OS. By the same token, MS is not going to miss their money. Furthermore, if there is no difference, and infact, the 32-bit is supposed be 'better', MS is in for ALOT of trouble.

Indeed. At that is going to be 32-bit version, because no company will dare to give support and waste their money and efforts on 64-bit one.

LOL, uhhhhhhhhhh No. While you are certainly opinionated about this topic, you clearly have no understanding of how businesses operate. And if you do then you are being quite stubborn about this. This is just my prediction, but I would assume that by the time Vista hits the shelves, only C2D's will be offered at locals like Dell and they will ship the 64bit version. Of course, I could be wrong, but hey, dell only needs drivers from how many companies? And they will be selling how many parts from each of those companies? I hardly think we are going to have much trouble finding applicable drivers for any laptops shipped. If you do, again, you are being foolish. Remember, we are not talking about Desktop units where EVERYONE must provide drivers (though, that is inevitable as Microsoft has them ALL by the short-curley-ones - but I will begrudgingly agree that for that wrealm, drivers MAY take a bit longer).

Then shut the ****** up when you don't have direct experience. I've tried x64 Vista and it is useless on my other laptop. Hardware companies are not dying to write two sets of drivers, one in completely new platform, especially not for their older hardware, which is omni-present.

How far into the future is Vista? 90 days? 120 days? Omni-Present? Are you kidding me? I tell you what, they are going to HAVE to write those drivers whether they, or you, like it or not. Sales drive this industry, genious. These companies will release drivers as soon as a certain number of 64-bit OS's have been sold. And it won't take very long.

I tell you what, you explain to me why having used a 64-bit system in beta 3-4 mos before it is released matters and I'll shut the f up. Furthermore, you cannot compare driver support for an after thought operating system like XP 64 or a beta version of Vista to the climate once it goes live. They are not going to release a FLAGSHIP (are you getting the point here? I doubt it) OS and not have driver support ready or in the works. To that end, the OP is not going to have any difficulty finding drivers for his e1505 when Vista launches and he wants to use 64-bit because he upgraded his processor. You literally have no case here.

If Vista 32-bit and 64-bit are going to look the same, and 64-bit has compability issue- which one is better for a user?

Why are there going to be compatibility issues with the new FLAGSHIP OS from Microsoft? It's not like this is some afterthought release like XP 64. This will be the new XP. I think you are the only person who doesn't see that.






 

postmortemIA

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For the forth time, there will be two versions of Vista: 32-bit one and 64-bit. There won't be difference in features..Until you manage to understand this basic fact, there's no point discussing anything else with you. Then I'll try to explain other things to you, but since you're slow in getting this basic fact, let's go one by one, ok?
 

HomeyFoos

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Uhm, where have I ever denied the existance of 2 versions? Of course there are going to be 2 versions. Microsoft is not going to exclude the people who aren't going to upgrade their hardware and miss out on that money. I've said that a few times in this thread. I don't think you read everything.

I don't need your help understanding anything. I understand just fine, thank you. But keep pretending you have ground to stand on. It's fun for me and I'm PRETTY SURE that we are the only two left on this one so there is no crowd to play to.


 

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i believe the 64bit cpus will have more registeries (double) than 32bit ... thus being faster in applications that take advantage of this

64bit windows do have additional "functionality" .
x86-64 specific features include:
hardware base DEP - uses the NX bit of procs
patch guard - prevents 3rd party software from modifying kernel
code integrity checksum - checks if code are modified

i personally will be buying a Core 2 Duo Laptop over a Core Duo just for the 64-bit
 

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Come on people, be civil. You can disagree without name calling

64-bit may be around the corner (unless you have linux), but it's not here yet. The biggest problem appears to be drivers, even for Linux. May be when Vista comes out, those problems may go away.

I doubt that 64-bit will gain you anything at the moment. So far, only a few apps show marked improvement in 64-bit mode.

Paul

 

HomeyFoos

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This whole thing started because someone INSISTS that the driver climate of today is comparable to the driver climate of VISTA release. The two are not comparable. You cannot say 'I have the beta and there are no drivers THEREFORE there won't be any drivers, ever, because companies don't want to waste their money...SEE?!?!?!?!? You $@#@$@#%#^@$%@#$%^#@$^%@' But that's what he's doing. Does it make any sense to think that just because Beta or Windows x64 has driver issues NOW that it's going to be exactly the same when the software is RELEASED and no longer in BETA? C'mon, man. That's crazy-talk. It may not be ideal. It may take them a patch or 2 to get it right. But to say it's a waste of time and money because it's the same as 32 (which it is not - and some of the differences have been noted here) and manufactureres simply won't support 64-bit is just plain wrong. It would be like saying manufacturers aren't going to support PCIe or USB. When big changes occur, everyone jumps onboard and cash's in. Software is the least of their concerns. All they see is $$. You may not like it, but there will be support.




 

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Originally posted by: HomeyFoos
This whole thing started because someone INSISTS that the driver climate of today is comparable to the driver climate of VISTA release. The two are not comparable. You cannot say 'I have the beta and there are no drivers THEREFORE there won't be any drivers, ever, because companies don't want to waste their money...SEE?!?!?!?!? You $@#@$@#%#^@$%@#$%^#@$^%@' But that's what he's doing. Does it make any sense to think that just because Beta or Windows x64 has driver issues NOW that it's going to be exactly the same when the software is RELEASED and no longer in BETA? C'mon, man. That's crazy-talk. It may not be ideal. It may take them a patch or 2 to get it right. But to say it's a waste of time and money because it's the same as 32 (which it is not - and some of the differences have been noted here) and manufactureres simply won't support 64-bit is just plain wrong. It would be like saying manufacturers aren't going to support PCIe or USB. When big changes occur, everyone jumps onboard and cash's in. Software is the least of their concerns. All they see is $$. You may not like it, but there will be support.

Here's some unsolicited advice for you: take a step back and realize how worked up you are getting about something as insignificant as device drivers. Then laugh at yourself and move on.
 

HomeyFoos

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Good lord...worked up? I was pretty dismissive of name-calling. But getting called names for presenting an opinion to someone who asked a question and then explaining your position in the face of aggression is getting worked up? Wow. No thanks on the advice. You don't seem too enlightened. Sniping so you can look cool to the crowd is not advice. It's passive/aggressive and is generally frowned upon.






 

postmortemIA

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Whole world must be against you, Homey. Perhaps you should hide in the corner and work on writing the drivers for devices that otherwise won't see light of day.

The problem can be said in two sentences: Most non-video Windows 2000 and XP 32-bit drivers can be used on Vista 32-bit, and Microsoft can bundle them with Vista. While 64-bit requires 64-bit drivers that Microsoft cannot built from existing 32-bit drivers, they have to be re-done by OEM manufacturer.
 
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