Syria .. The new era

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KMFJD

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What fight? It's over.

After 14 years of Civil War, propped up by Iran and Russia with terrible massacres against the Syrian people, the Arab Spring has finally come to Syria.
Just hope they can find the peace they've been looking for.
then why are there a US bases in Syria? maybe close some of these bases


 
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KMFJD

Lifer
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Perhaps that was the reason why the Syrian Army melted recently, I think the army was loyal to Assad which was why he managed to cling on to power unlike other Arab leaders who were deposed during the Arab Spring. By favoring Alawite militias, it annoyed the army and they abandoned him.
also no money to pay them
 

amenx

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This is big. With Assad gone, the Iranians have no capable proxies there to rely upon. The Shi'a Crescent has been broken. Hezbollah is basically cut off from easy arms supplies from them. Hope the HTS act in line with the recent 'evolved' views of their leader to allow all minorities and religions to flourish unhindered.
 

uallas5

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Well, one definite plus is this is one less authoritarian leader/Russian stooge that Tulsi can suck up to.
 

K1052

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lol same Trump who said we should pull out of Syria and he never did during his presidency

He says a lot of things.
At this point, you could probably find him saying nebulous things in support of any side of name an issue.

Anyway: whatever level of intervention we push for or do, or not push for and not do (ie, doing nothing), are all choices that will play out in some way for our national interests, whether we like it or not.
 

pmv

Lifer
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I have no clue what is going on now. But I'm dubious that the conflict is 'over'. Sounds as if there are plenty of inter-factional disputes that could yet arise.

A Turkish-backed group seem unlikely to be on good terms with the Kurds. And they are Islamists, who broke with ISIS then were allied with Al Qaida, then broke with _them_? Clear as mud.


The rebels who have swept through Syria are led by Islamist alliance Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, or HTS, along with an umbrella group of Turkish-backed Syrian militias called the Syrian National Army.

Both have been entrenched in the north-west. They launched the shock offensive on 27 November with gunmen capturing Aleppo, Syria’s largest city, and the central city of Hama, the fourth largest.

The founder of HTS, Abu Muhammad al-Jolani, was once a participant in the Iraqi insurgency against the US as a member of the group that eventually became Islamic State.

In its former incarnation as Jabhat al-Nusra or the Al-Nusra front, HTS later declared allegiance to al-Qaida. It eventually publicly broke those ties in 2016 and rebranded as Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham, or Organization for the Liberation of the Levant.

HTS is now the most powerful rebel faction in Syria.

It is designated as a terrorist group by the US and there are serious human rights concerns in the area it controls, including executions for those accused of affiliation with rival groups and over allegations of blasphemy and adultery.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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I have no clue what is going on now. But I'm dubious that the conflict is 'over'.
To hope for peace, and expecting it are usually two different things.
But without Assad's backing of Russia and Iran, used to carpet bomb and slaughter people, chances are much improved.
 

Oric

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I have no clue what is going on now. But I'm dubious that the conflict is 'over'. Sounds as if there are plenty of inter-factional disputes that could yet arise.

A Turkish-backed group seem unlikely to be on good terms with the Kurds. And they are Islamists, who broke with ISIS then were allied with Al Qaida, then broke with _them_? Clear as mud.

Of course the conflict is not over

Israel and USA want a perfectly safe haven for Israel and for future pressure to Arab States and Türkiye, so they want to found the Kurdish state in an area as large as possible and latter annex with Iraq.

Türkiye does not want this plan so will try to minimize YPG controlled area.

HTS is not Turkish-backed, the Turkish backed factions are others, this one has Israel and US in the back seat, because they will clash with Israel and YPG and later give them excuse to capture more of (former) Syria. Do I have proof ? No, we will see as the events unfold.
 

amenx

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To hope for peace, and expecting it are usually two different things.
But without Assad's backing of Russia and Iran, used to carpet bomb and slaughter people, chances are much improved.
Oh.. you view carpet bombing and slaughtering people a bad thing? Never would have guessed it from your continual pandering to Israels actions in that regard.
 

iRONic

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Unrelated & off topic but the PMs name just struck me as weird:

Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, said the overthrowing of al-Assad in Syria is proof that Russia and its allies can be defeated.
 

BoomerD

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What fight? It's over.

After 14 years of Civil War, propped up by Iran and Russia with terrible massacres against the Syrian people, the Arab Spring has finally come to Syria.
Just hope they can find the peace they've been looking for.
Nah…too many factions fighting for control. This shitstorm is far from over.
 

Dave_5k

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Nah…too many factions fighting for control. This shitstorm is far from over.
Israel, Russia, and Turkey all agree on only one thing... if they can't control Syria, all three want it turned into rubble and its civilians slaughtered wholesale.

And all 3 will continue to do so without regrets ~ although Russia is a bit short on nearby forces at the moment.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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EU and Arabian Gulf money will throw in with lesser of many evils, there will be fighting, and then the winners will set about helping get Qatari gas exports out to Europe via those 3 pipelines that Assad wouldn't let finish.

Putin and Russia lose strategic bases, an ally, and another major revenue stream. Awesome.

Hey disgruntled siloviki, aren't you guys tired of being broke AF and stuck in that shithole yet?
 
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kage69

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The Butchers of Aleppo are gone! Good fucking riddance, and good luck Syria. Hope you can turn it around, skip the military junta or theocratic autocracy exits. They don't go anywhere.

 

Oric

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I imagine that is welcome news for Turkey
yes, but out of ~5 Million Syrians that are in Türkiye, I don't expect no more 1 Million to go back. It has been almost 12 years and they have jobs, shops, businesses, kids born here, started schools. Turkish government offered free health-care, education and job opportunities to all refugees so there is little motivation for them to go back to a war-torn country. We have already adapted living with them together, learned Arabic as my fifth language etc.
 
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I haven’t followed this in any manner.
I am still protesting all but local news over the election.
Is this development good? Seems to me the replacement is an equal piece of shit. Maybe less bound to Iran.
 

pmv

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Can only hope that things go better than they often do after such regimes are toppled. Seems like there may be just too many outside parties with vested-interests to feel very optimistic though (Turkey, Israel, Iran, the US, maybe the Saudis?). Plus it seems historically rare for anything good to come out of long periods of trauma. More often you get successive waves of (at best) slowly-diminishing horrors, each leading to the subsequent one, till (if lucky) it eventually becomes a little-less horrific.
 
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