System stutters in WindowsXP

SWScorch

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I did a search for this and couldnt find anything....

I installed WindowsXP the other day after Windows98 "forgot" that it had drivers and wouldnt let me reinstall any. It was fine until last night I noticed that songs in Winamp would skip for a split second. I figured it was the lousy default Windows drivers for my SB Live, but upgrading to the latest Creative drivers seems to have only made it worse. However, I am not certain that the sound is the culprit. What happens is, the system will stutter for a moment; the mouse will freeze, all on-screen animation will stop, and the sound playing at the moment will stutter or skip, and then after less than a second, all is fine again, until it happens again.

I have yet to see this happen while playing a game. So far it only occurs when in windows, and it seems to be worst when I am sending or recieving information through Internet Explorer. For example, it often does this when I click a link in IE, although it did it twice while I was just sitting here, not even typing. Also, it seems to occur in groups of two or three. In other words, it will happen three times in rapid succession and then it will be fine for several minutes, where it will do it three times again.

I really thought it was just the mp3s at first, but even with Winamp closed, the mouse still stutters like before. However, it seems to happen far less frequently than when Winamp is running. Also, when Winamp is loaded but not playing, the frequency is reduced. So while Winamp seems to make the problem worse, I do not think that it is the sole cause.

Nay, I take that back. I just unloaded Winamp and detected no such stuttering. Likewise, with Winamp loaded but not playing, situation was nominal. Odd; I thought I had remembered it hanging before even without Winamp running. Well, maybe that was before I installed the Creative drivers.... I dont know. Ahh, no, it freezes even without Winamp, while I am transferring data over the network. It just did so as I hit "Back" because I seem to have lost my internet connection. (Thats another thing about WinXP; ipconfig /renew doesnt seem to work with the success rate of winipcfg -> release -> renew in Win98...)

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this sort of problem. I was sure that someone else must have posted about a similar problem, but if they did, I was unable to find their post. Thanx for all your help in advance!
 

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Do you have all the updates/patches/hot fixes for XP installed? Have you tried different LAN card drivers? If it's the Asus A7V in your sig, have you updated to the latest 4in1's?
 

SWScorch

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I ran Windows Update a few days ago and downloaded all of the updates. I am fairly certain that I am using the latest 4-in-1s, but now that you mention it I will try reinstalling them.

[EDIT]: Upgraded to 4.39, and no effect. Still does it, most noticably when there is network activity.
 

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swscorch what version of winamp?the reason i ask it was posted awhile back same problem the way he corrected it was either to go to version or to use 2.8 i believe.it worked for him

hope this helps
mike
 

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You might want to try moving the SBLive or NIC to a different PCI slot since it's happening even without winamp. The suggestion of a different version of the player is a good one, you might want to go a step further if necessary and try a different player all together as well.
 

SWScorch

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I'm using Winamp 2.8. However, it is definitely not the cause. I was just playing, or at least attempting to play, Warcraft 3. The stuttering was almost constant. Every two or three seconds, it would hesitate and jump around. War3 was the only application running at the time. It was quite literally unplayable.

I'll try moving the card, but it really likes being in PCI slot 3, and I fear it might balk if I change it. But then again, that was what happened in 98, and this certainly isnt 98 any more.

Hmmm, it appears that the problem is less frequent if I stop "SVCHost" from running. I'm not sure what t is, but when I unload it, the stuttering becomes intermittent as opposed to nearly constant.
 

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Have you tried the latest BIOS update for your motherboard??
I would take out the NIC and see if it studders in Winamp. If it doesn't, put the NIC in a different slot.
 

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I wonder if you have managed to get some bad spyware on your system. See what Ad-aware has to say. Otherwise you might use msconfig and start shutting down processes to see if you can isolate this problem to a software issue. If it turns out to be hardware related, then you should start pulling peripherals until you isolate the problem.
 

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I'm not an XP expert, but I've seen win98 do this. IIRC it was related to network software. Try disabling your NIC in Device Manager (or the XP equivalent) and see if the problem persists. If it goes away, try reinstalling your networking software and drivers. Look for any weird entries possibly installed by overly invasive apps.
 

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I have this exact same problem, except for the stutter does not show up in games. Only while running winamp and surfing in IE. My system didnt have this issues before installing XP, a clean format and there were no hardware changes. I would blame IE rather than any other program as I tend to notice a small lag occasionally when clicking back and forward between pages, as in the mouse will freeze for 1/2 a second while the page loads even without winamp running.
 

SWScorch

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I am pretty sure that svchost has something to do with it. Apparently this just means that I have services running, and svchost itself doesnt do much of anything. But I found a thread on another forum where a guy had a very similar problem, and it turned out it was svchost and System Idle Processes that were causing it.

SO, with that in mind, I am now perusing "Services" and seeing if disabling any has any effect. I hope so, because this is getting really bad. Its almost continual now. Listening to mp3s is futile. It is quite literally every second now.
 

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I've seen network related things cause studdering. I've seen the Novel client (unlikely in your case) cause problems as well as crappy nic drivers for Linksys cards. I had a bunch of machines in my office that had Linksys cards that Windows 2000 supports out of the box with a Winbond driver and those machines studdered like mad.

I know you are running XP, but network card drivers are soemthing to look into. Another thing to check out is go into task manager, right click on the column lables at the top, and add priority as a column. A process running at high priority or even worse real time could certainly cause these symptoms.


 

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I changed the priority of what I could, but csrss.exe and winlogin.exe are locked at high priority. System Idle Processes, I noticed, is using 99% of the CPU. And there is no way to end it, or change it in any way shape or form. Hmmm...
 

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I thought your problem sounded familiar, I think this is the resolution VIA PCI latency patch
This is a Windows driver that will patch motherboards that have VIA chipsets. It is intended to solve these problems:

Files copied from one IDE hard disk drive to another are corrupted
The computer stops ("freezes", "hangs", "locks up") when playing sounds, especially to a Creative SoundBlaster LIVE! card
The computer stops when copying to or from an IDE DVD, CDROM, or CDRW drive
Sounds played by a Creative Labs sound card are distorted
 

SWScorch

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Aha! Thank you Punisher! I thought my problem sounded familiar too... Now that you mention it, I've seen people mention this, but I guess it just never clicked in my head. I am off to see if that makes a difference.
 

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About the 99% CPU usage, you run SETI right? SETI would be the 99% usage during idle cycles if you have it set as low priority
 

SWScorch

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No, no SETI. I have ECCp-109 on this computer but it has not been running.

BTW, the VIA patch had no effect; neither did removing all extraneous plug-in cards. That would be my SB Live and Realtek RTL8139 NIC. If I dont get this fixed soon I'm putting Linux on... seriously.
 

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My bad! ECCp was where I saw you, I knew you were on one of our teams Anyways, considering the troubleshooting steps you've taken and the fact that you originally upgraded to XP because of a corrupted 98SE OS that wouldn't permit you to fix it evidently, I now tend to think you have a hardware issue, maybe the mobo or CPU is is going south? Anyways, installing Linux couldn't hurt.
 

SWScorch

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No, I dont think its a hardware problem. I am in Windows98 right now, and apart from a few driver problems, it seems to be pretty much the way it was. It finally let me install the Detonators, so I'm no longer stuck in 640x480x16. And it displays no signs of doing anything even remotely similar to what XP was doing. If Win98 does indeed let me fix it completely, hell, I'll just uninstall XP and use 98 for now, again.... Sheesh.
 

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Are you saying that XP was upgrade install over 98SE or that you have it as a dual boot setup?
 

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SWScorch: Not really words of encouragment, but if it makes you feel any better I'm having the exact same problem with WinXP and my Santa Cruz, so it should definitly be a windows problem. I tried formatting and starting over, same deal.

In my case, games don't stutter or lag at all... but when I'm just sitting on the desktop it happens, it is very noticable when playing mp3 files or watching MPEG in WMP... eventually the problem kept getting worse and worse, until it would stutter every 5 seconds or so due to SVCHOST spiking up to 50% cpu usage for no reason on my 1.4 ghz Athlon. A format fixed it, but it still happens on occasion, which makes me think it will again get worse and worse...

If you find a solution, let us know, I would like an answer too! good luck!
 

SWScorch

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Dare I think I have fixed it??

I've been running for five minutes or so and thus far there has been no sign on the stutter. I'm even playing mp3s and all is fine.... for now. I downloaded the latest drivers for the NIC (Realtek RTL8139). I dont dare get my hopes up, though; I am sure it will start stuttering anytime now.
 

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Scorch: Wow, you might be on to something... I have the same NIC chipset as you, the Realtec 8139, with every other component different... I bet this IS our culprit!
 

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just a quick update: I updated my network card drivers and the stuttering is all gone! Thanks AT, I never in a million years would have guessed that it was the problem because all of my net functions worked flawlessly, but it was! Thanks for your advice!
 
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