tailgater gets owned

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glenn1

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And you would risk injuring yourself why? I don't engage in brake checking behavior because I don't enjoy chronic pain. Regardless of whether I think I would win in some possible trial.

Causing someone to slam into the back of you to show how they are being unsafe just seems like a really odd way to prove your point.

I've never deliberately engaged in either activity. Speaking strictly in the mindset of a hypothetical juror, I can say for certain the tailgater is the only one who had a 100% effective means of preventing what happened, namely don't be a fucking asshole who deliberately and willfully does dangerous shit like tailgate. I would be jumping up and down to vote guilty and convict the driver.

The brake checker OTOH almost certainly deliberately acted as well, there's a small window of plausible defense for them ("I saw a hazard on the road in front of me"). Given their testimony I could conversely see myself voting "not guilty" for them even though I'd probably think they were being just as much a jerk as the first guy.
 

Matthiasa

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No



More no.



Pretty much this.

Doesn't matter who is in the wrong, if you're tailgated/tailgaitting and there is an accident, the tailgater will be at fault almost every time.

One of the very first things my father stressed to me when I was learning to drive long ago.

Well if you believe assault, potentially with a deadly weapon (a car), is legal then yes what you have stated is true.
 

cbrunny

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However, if you camp at a stop sign and don't go, and everyone behind you just has to sit and wait, you're going to make them angry and it's pretty shitty to say their anger is their own fault.

No you're doing something that will make reasonable people angry. Camping in the left lane and obstructing traffic will make just about anybody angry, which is why left lane camping is illegal almost everywhere.

This guy wasn't camping in the left lane.
 

Jeeebus

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positivedoppler said:
did he break to mess with the tailgater or did he break to change lanes?

cbrunny said:
agree the break check is wrong and insane.

TheVrolok said:
Tailgating is retarded.. break checking is equally retarded.

ImplusE69 said:
....refuses to get over slams on their breaks to try to prove a point

Capt Caveman said:
Nope. What the break-checker did can be constituted as road-rage.

Ok we may not be able to agree on who was more at fault here, but can we at least agree that some people here need a lesson in remedial spelling?
 

Aikouka

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Yes, the guy couldn't move over immediately because of merging traffic; however, it's plain as day that the car in front was past the merging vehicle when he slammed on the brakes. (In fact, it looks like the other guy was far enough past that he could've moved over too, but it would be considered an unsafe lane change given the distance.) In other words, instead of being an asshole, he could have just merged to the right, which is exactly what he does after stepping on the brake!
 

TechBoyJK

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This guy wasn't camping in the left lane.

He brake checked which made it obvious he was willing to obstruct traffic while occupying a lane that many states forbid obstructing traffic in. In Illinois, you only have 1/4 mile to make a pass in the left lane. Yes, I know may not have gotten over immediately because of merging traffic, but he likely should have gotten over before hand.

The entire point of the law is to keep people out of the lane and to get them out of it before they're stuck there causing a traffic jam.
 

cbrunny

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He brake checked which made it obvious he was willing to obstruct traffic while occupying a lane that many states forbid obstructing traffic in. In Illinois, you only have 1/4 mile to make a pass in the left lane. Yes, I know may not have gotten over immediately because of merging traffic, but he likely should have gotten over before hand.

The entire point of the law is to keep people out of the lane and to get them out of it before they're stuck there causing a traffic jam.

You know things about this situation that are not on camera. How?
 

TechBoyJK

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Yes, the guy couldn't move over immediately because of merging traffic; however, it's plain as day that the car in front was past the merging vehicle when he slammed on the brakes. (In fact, it looks like the other guy was far enough past that he could've moved over too, but it would be considered an unsafe lane change given the distance.) In other words, instead of being an asshole, he could have just merged to the right, which is exactly what he does after stepping on the brake!

This is why I find the brake checker at partial fault here. He was obstructing traffic; not just by being oblivious and failing to cede the lane to faster traffic, but by deliberately slowing down in order to further obstruct the driver behind him.

Think of it this way. If I have someone riding my ass on a city street, then we come up to a red light and they're still behind me. Then the light turns green. If I just sit there and don't move just so the person behind me can't move, even though I have a green light, I'm breaking the law! Doesn't matter what the person behind me is doing.
 

cbrsurfr

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I've learned to be a calmer driver. There are way too many idiots on the road. I only need 20 min max to get to work but I leave 45 min early. By leaving earlier I can take my time and cruise in the far right lane. Leaving earlier there's less traffic and fewer idiots on the road. I also get better fuel economy and am less stressed out by the time I get to work.
 

LTC8K6

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There's nothing in the video to indicate that the brake checker was camping out in the left lane. Nothing. He is passing a truck and allowing another vehicle to merge, during the time he is being aggressively tailgated.

The only bad behavior evident in the video is the tailgating, followed by the brake check.
 

Humpy

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Ok we may not be able to agree on who was more at fault here, but can we at least agree that some people here need a lesson in remedial spelling?

In a thread full of retards debating the rules of the road you have to let a lot of things slide.
 

TechBoyJK

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There's nothing in the video to indicate that the brake checker was camping out in the left lane. Nothing. He is passing a truck and allowing another vehicle to merge, during the time he is being aggressively tailgated.

The only bad behavior evident in the video is the tailgating, followed by the brake check.

In Illinois, anything more than 1/4 mile in the left lane is 'camping'. Unless the driver was in the right lane and merged into the left lane right before the video started, then one can reasonably assume it's very possible that the driver was camping.
 

glenn1

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In Illinois, anything more than 1/4 mile in the left lane is 'camping'. Unless the driver was in the right lane and merged into the left lane right before the video started, then one can reasonably assume it's very possible that the driver was camping.

A bit of quick Google Fu reveals the penalty for "left lane camping" as you call it is a fine of $60 and court costs of $86. I think the brake checker got good value for money and if there was a "GoFundMe" for him there would be lots of contributors.
 

ImpulsE69

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Ok we may not be able to agree on who was more at fault here, but can we at least agree that some people here need a lesson in remedial spelling?

I disagree. I spelled break correctly So what it if was entirely the wrong word
 

Ns1

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In Illinois, anything more than 1/4 mile in the left lane is 'camping'. Unless the driver was in the right lane and merged into the left lane right before the video started, then one can reasonably assume it's very possible that the driver was camping.

How does Illinois reconcile a left lane camping law with a 65mph speed limit?
 

SSSnail

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It's the assholes that think they have to "win" on the road, being passive-aggressive douche bags, that are the worst.

Every fucking thing they do on the road is a contest, doesn't matter what they drive, how they drive. "Oh, you drive a nicer car than mine? I'm gonna cut in front of you because fuck you". "Oh, you drive a seemingly slower car than mine? I'm going to cut in front of you because fuck you". "Oh, I'm just going to hang out here in the left lane, because fuck you". "Oh, I have to get over, but I'll wait until the last minute and cut you off, because fuck you".

If you belong to any of the above category, please do humanity a favor, at least have the decency to not breed.
 

Humpy

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In Illinois, anything more than 1/4 mile in the left lane is 'camping'. Unless the driver was in the right lane and merged into the left lane right before the video started, then one can reasonably assume it's very possible that the driver was camping.

In Cambodia you can't turn right on red. Since this happened in Wisconsin I think it's an important point.
 

Matthiasa

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How does Illinois reconcile a left lane camping law with a 65mph speed limit?

Typically by not enforcing the speed limit on anyone not going at least 10-15 over it (70). Its one of those things that typical never gets enforced.
 

LTC8K6

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In Illinois, anything more than 1/4 mile in the left lane is 'camping'. Unless the driver was in the right lane and merged into the left lane right before the video started, then one can reasonably assume it's very possible that the driver was camping.

I cannot see any time in the video where I would have gotten out of the left lane any earlier...passing a truck, and another vehicle merging...I would have stayed in the left lane for all of that and a little more, until I was well clear.

You can't assume things that you can't see, unless you do so for both parties.

If you are going to do that, then I think it's very possible that the brake check was for a squirrel or some debris that almost came into the lane.
 
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