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[shira]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Corn
I'm glad Mr. Hoffman has decided to leave the Republican party. Like him, I am also dissatisfied with the direction the party has turned. But that's where our similarities end. Mr. Hoffman is correct when he states:

Freedom is what Americans want. Economic freedom to reap the rewards of the free enterprise system, personal freedom from the intrusion of big government in our lives, freedom from the nanny state that is being forced upon us.

I completely agree with this quote, but unfortunately Mr. Hoffman doesn't, especially the bolded part when in the very next paragraph he derides the GOP candidate for her stance on "gay marriage and abortion."
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So, when the federal government forces people to recognize gay marriage when they don't want to that's somehow not intrusion of big government into their lives?

You may argue it is justifiable intrusion, but I cannot possibly see how you can reasonably argue it is NOT intrusion.

As regards abortion - I suppose some may view it as an intrusion into the pregnant person's life. However, others may view it as supporting the rights of an unborn. Depends upon your perspective I suppose. Oddly enough, those who support the rights of the unborn are the subject of derision, yet supporting rights for animals lands you job in the Obama admin.

Fern

You certainly have a distorted viewpoint. Your position seems to be that when the rights of some group are recognized, that "forces" others to recognize those rights, and therefore it's an intrusion. For example, I'm guessing you think that when black voting rights were recognized, that was an intrusion because it "forced" bigots into recognizing that blacks are equal citizens.

 

[Lemon law]

Well, in a matter of a week or so we will know the result in upstate new York, either the moderate republican will win, or the radical right republican will win, or the democratic candidate will win because the GOP is split. If each event is equally probable, its short odds that results will remotely resemble a radical right victory.

As for the race answering anything about a national debate on same sex marriage, a backwater like that will not amount to a pimple in such a national debate.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Fern
So, when the federal government forces people to recognize gay marriage when they don't want to that's somehow not intrusion of big government into their lives?

Do you think that having the federal government invalidate state-sanctioned same-sex marriages is not an inappropriate intrusion?

I'm a state's rights type. I.e., the federal gov has no business telling states they can't have same-sex marriages if they want to.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Fern
So, when the federal government forces people to recognize gay marriage when they don't want to that's somehow not intrusion of big government into their lives?

No one is forcing any person to recognize gay marriage or any marriage.

I think it would, and that's a big part of the effort.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: shira
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You certainly have a distorted viewpoint. Your position seems to be that when the rights of some group are recognized, that "forces" others to recognize those rights, and therefore it's an intrusion.

Of course it does, otherwise there's no point in it.

Originally posted by: shira
For example, I'm guessing you think that when black voting rights were recognized, that was an intrusion because it "forced" bigots into recognizing that blacks are equal citizens.

? Your analogy makes no sense to me, so can't comment.

Fern

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Fern
So, when the federal government forces people to recognize gay marriage when they don't want to that's somehow not intrusion of big government into their lives?

Do you think that having the federal government invalidate state-sanctioned same-sex marriages is not an inappropriate intrusion?

I'm a state's rights type. I.e., the federal gov has no business telling states they can't have same-sex marriages if they want to.

Fern

So are you a state's rights type I.e., the federal gov has no business telling states that they (the fed gov) won't recognize same-sex marriages performed by that state?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Fern
So, when the federal government forces people to recognize gay marriage when they don't want to that's somehow not intrusion of big government into their lives?

Do you think that having the federal government invalidate state-sanctioned same-sex marriages is not an inappropriate intrusion?

I'm a state's rights type. I.e., the federal gov has no business telling states they can't have same-sex marriages if they want to.

Fern

So are you a state's rights type I.e., the federal gov has no business telling states that they (the fed gov) won't recognize same-sex marriages performed by that state?

No.

The fed gov has no business telling states that they (that state) can't recognize SSM.

Fern

 

[Lemon law]

Now that we have engaged in the fruitless side debate about gay marriage, it may be time to point out that some interesting things have happened in the upstate New York Race while Anand tech has been down.

Namely that the official GOP republican printed on the ballot has now with drawn, and in the process has not united the GOP because she endorsed her democratic opponent instead.

When it comes time to vote, I suspect the official person with a R before their name will still be Deke, Hoffman will still have a I before his name, and the only ignorant voters not confused will be democrats. And the only way for Hoffman to win will be to rely on all write in ballots.

As it is, New York State has 29 congressional seats, only two of which are held by R's. And since the district in question has been GOP since a time older than dirt, two things can be said. (1) At best, a Hoffman win advances the GOP zero because they merely hold on to a district they already had. (2) The pure comedy gold possibility exists that the resultant conservative pigheadedness will turn a red district Blue. Thus dropping the republican hold on New York congressional districts down to only one district in 29. Genius, pure genius if it happens. And I would not give a plugged nickle for Hoffman getting the GOP nomination in that district ever again if he blows it this time.

 

[Robor]

Now that we have engaged in the fruitless side debate about gay marriage, it may be time to point out that some interesting things have happened in the upstate New York Race while Anand tech has been down.

Namely that the official GOP republican printed on the ballot has now with drawn, and in the process has not united the GOP because she endorsed her democratic opponent instead.

When it comes time to vote, I suspect the official person with a R before their name will still be Deke, Hoffman will still have a I before his name, and the only ignorant voters not confused will be democrats. And the only way for Hoffman to win will be to rely on all write in ballots.

As it is, New York State has 29 congressional seats, only two of which are held by R's. And since the district in question has been GOP since a time older than dirt, two things can be said. (1) At best, a Hoffman win advances the GOP zero because they merely hold on to a district they already had. (2) The pure comedy gold possibility exists that the resultant conservative pigheadedness will turn a red district Blue. Thus dropping the republican hold on New York congressional districts down to only one district in 29. Genius, pure genius if it happens. And I would not give a plugged nickle for Hoffman getting the GOP nomination in that district ever again if he blows it this time.

Looks like Hoffman is up at the moment...

LINK

 

[Lemon law]

I still have to thank Robor for the link, now we only have to wait some 24 hours for the only poll that really matters.

But still polls 24 hours before the election tend to be more reliable than earlier ones, and it does look like Hoffman may pull it off.

 

[Deliximus]

I just saw Jackie Robinson on that GOP Heroes list. Jon Stewart totally blasted that idea out of the water. lol

 

[PJABBER]

Good to see that comedy shows are still your only sources for information!

 

[Robor]

Good to see that comedy shows are still your only sources for information!

Too bad said 'comedy show' viewers were better informed than Faux News viewers... LINK

 

[PJABBER]

I prefer South Park for both news and opinion!

 

[Lemon law]

I admit its a cheap shot but nothing beats the Peyton Place of Palin.

 

[PJABBER]

I admit its a cheap shot but nothing beats the Peyton Place of Palin.

OT. Sarah Palin is influencing the direction of the country from her Facebook page. She does not have a TV show.

You must be thinking of the evening "not-as-funny-as-digging-up-three-week-old-rotten-meat" shows on MSNBC!

 

[CallMeJoe]

OT. Sarah Palin is influencing the direction of the country from her Facebook page. She does not have a TV show...

Right you are. Saint Sara of Wasilla lives a real-life soap opera.

 

[Lemon law]

OT. Sarah Palin is influencing the direction of the country from her Facebook page. She does not have a TV show.

You must be thinking of the evening "not-as-funny-as-digging-up-three-week-old-rotten-meat" shows on MSNBC!

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PJABBER, since you took literal license in my phrase of "pure comedy gold" and then compared it to some actual show by that name, you are hardly in the position to be claiming Palin is not a TV soap opera type personality. You can argue your point one way or the other but you can't logically take both sides at your momentary conveyance.

 

[PJABBER]

Jesse "The Body" (ex-SEAL/UDT, "once a Mongol always a Mongol", former Rolling Stones bodyguard and sometimes pro wrestler) had some relevant working experience before becoming Governor of Minnesota. Since we now have the Governator in California, Stewart Smalley in the Senate and Chauncey Gardiner in the White House, it is about time to give Sarah Palin a real starring role!

 

[Robor]

Please please please make Palin the face of the GOP. Bring back Joe the plumber while you're at it. :biggrin:

 

[spidey07]

It almost brings a tear to my eye to watch the awakening happening. The people are taking the country back. Their eyes have seen what Obama is all about and they are WIDE awake now. We're taking back the country from this tyrant.

 

[Red Dawn]

It almost brings a tear to my eye to watch the awakening happening. The people are taking the country back. Their eyes have seen what Obama is all about and they are WIDE awake now. We're taking back the country from this tyrant.

It's the pepper spray that's making you tear up boy.

 

[Lemon law]

In perhaps a surprise, the Democrat has prevailed over Hoffman and Hoffman has conceded.

Perhaps sending the far right wing og the GOP a loud and clear message, you can indeed purge out moderate republicans, but if you do, you will not win the general election.

If Hoffman could not pull it it off in a strongly learning GOP district, it will really flop in competitive districts.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

In perhaps a surprise, the Democrat has prevailed over Hoffman and Hoffman has conceded.

Perhaps sending the far right wing og the GOP a loud and clear message, you can indeed purge out moderate republicans, but if you do, you will not win the general election.

If Hoffman could not pull it it off in a strongly learning GOP district, it will really flop in competitive districts.

Clearly a misinformed analysis.

1. Hoffman was an unknown a month ago(and clearly not a politician).
2. The GOP put up a very liberal rino
3. The Ds put up a fairly conservative(for a D)
4. Hoffman was a Conservative party candidate that the GOP fought against
5. The GOP candidate dropped out and endorsed the D candidate - which shows you just what "moderates" give you - nothing.

 

[Modelworks]

Clearly a misinformed analysis.

1. Hoffman was an unknown a month ago(and clearly not a politician).
2. The GOP put up a very liberal rino
3. The Ds put up a fairly conservative(for a D)
4. Hoffman was a Conservative party candidate that the GOP fought against
5. The GOP candidate dropped out and endorsed the D candidate - which shows you just what "moderates" give you - nothing.

I was really hoping the guy would get it. I don't live in that part of the country but from the interviews I saw with him it sounded like what we really need more of. Someone who is not a politician and sticks to what they believe regardless if it is popular or not, doesn't just tell people what will get votes like most. Then when in office screws over the voters. He seemed the most sincere of anyone in a long time.