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Balt

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<Blatantly ignorant to closeminded idiots like yourself.>

Quite possibly the most ironic statement I have ever seen.
 

Azoth

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Actually, can one truly be an atheist?

An atheist does not believe in a god, it does not always mean one who does not believe in the Christian God, also referred to as the God of Israel.

Everyone has a god of sorts, be it money, fame, their new rig, their car, or even themselves. If they have a god, then they essentially could not be considered atheists. Heathens perhaps, but not atheists.

I have one question, why should one go to something that is basically a commercial business that ranks higher than the pornography business in sales. Why should we have to pay to be told what we can read ourselves, and depending on the religious aspect, confess to a man who acts a mediator between yourself and a lower level deity on the supreme being chain?

I do believe that Biblically it says &quot;trust in me and thou shalt be saved,&quot; not trust in me, pay someone to tell you what I meant in my parables and teachings, and oh yeah, send money to Oral Roberts before I take him to be with me...


Flames glady accepted on my opinion and promptly ignored
 

chansen

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Wonderful. And so we are doomed to do this yet again, yes? Fine, I'll bite.

Church and faith are wonderful. Most of my friends are of one denomination or another. They are not sheep. They go of their own accord, enjoy the experience, and I am very happy that they're happy.

I do not believe in any supreme being. God, Jesus, Allah, Zeus, Bill Gates, and a host of other icons have either been made up to explain the previously inexplicable, or were real people who had good press secretaries. Many people follow them anyway. They are not stupid. They just don't share my beliefs. I don't take that as a personal affront.

Now, my tolerance will extend only so far. My religious friends don't try to convert me, and I don't try to convert them. This strategy works well. Those that do try to convert me get sarcastic responses that are increasingly less than pleasant.

Are religious people weaker than others? Probably not. I wish more athiests with emotional and spiritual weaknesses would turn to a respectable church for guidance. I think they can help.

I would like to think that I have given the church a fair chance. I went to a few youth meetings, but did not enjoy them.

I have always had faith in my family, my friends and myself. They've not let me down. That is enough for me.

Regards,
Craig
 

epsilon

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I got news for you. if youre going to church just because you think you'll live longer then youre in it fo rthe wrong reason and youre probably still going to go to hell (if it existed ) I used to be a Christian and I know the teachings. Your heart's gotta be in it for it to work accordning to your bible.
 

troglodytis

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Jesus was way cool.

Everybody liked Jesus. Everybody wanted to hang out with him. Anything he wanted to do, he did. He turned water into wine, and if he wanted to, he could have turned wheat into marijuana, sugar into cocaine, or vitamin pills into amphetamines. He walked on the water and swam on the land. He would tell these stories and people would listen. He was really cool.

If you were blind or lame, you just went up to Jesus and he would put his hands on you and you would be healed. That's so cool.


He could have played guitar better than Hendrix. He could have told the future. He could have baked the most delicious cake in the world. He could have scored more goals than Wayne Gretsky. He could have danced better than Barishnikof. Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of.


Jesus told people to eat his body and drink his blood. That's so cool. Jesus was so cool. But then some people got jealous of how cool he was, so they killed him. But then he rose from the dead! He rose from the dead, danced around and went up to heaven. I mean, that's so cool.

Jesus was so cool.
No wonder there are so many Christians.


how much longer would i live? a whole year longer?? cuase if i went to church 2 hours on sunday(sunday school and reg church) and then 1 hour on wednesday, i would have waisted all the extra time in church! argh! i can't win!
 

Blundar

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Oct 19, 2000
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In the words of the great Dennis Leary speaking as Jesus, &quot;I'm the son of god, gimme a cheezeburger. Where's Mary Magdeline? I want a f!cking blowjob!&quot;
Jesus was a way cool mofo. We just don't hear much about it.
If I was the son of god, you better believe I'd have a good time.
hahahahhahahahah
f!ck dogmatic reasoning period, be it christianity or atheism.
Openmindedness is the only way to go baby.
I've met more openminded atheists/agnostics than openminded chistians and a whole hella lot of openminded buddhists and wiccans. It's not as much what you believe as how you believe it, if you ask me.

Agnostic 4 Eva

(WERD!!!)

 

GroundOO

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Mar 14, 2000
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morons like some of the loudmouth atheists here are what make me hate subscribing to any group, even agnosticism seems to be somewhat centralized and, of course, stereotyped. I guess you can call me an atheist, I'm closer to that than anything (just don't tell my car insurance people, they think I'm a good citizen)
 

NeoHC421

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Jan 7, 2001
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there are alot of things that were said and discussed on this forum that extremely bothered me.

Despite the polls that claim that most of the nation is of the Christian faith, that is a lie. That is because most people have a misperception of what a Christian is. I have been born and raised in the church, yet i cannot say that i was truly a christian until a few months ago. A Christian is one who not only believes in God, but in his son, Jesus Christ. He/she believes that &quot;[Jesus] is the way and the truth and the life. Noone can go to the father except through [him]&quot; and that &quot;God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life&quot; (John 3:16).

Most people that attend church every sunday are not christians. Even if you said a little prayer asking Jesus to come into your heart, you may still not be a Christian. A Christian is someone who is holy; someone set apart from this world. So if you are living in sin, and living exactly the same way you did before you &quot;became a christian,&quot; then, sorry to burst your bubble, but you are going to that burning hot place that even satan fears; hell.

The problem with society today is that there is such a loose definition of Christianity, when clearly the bible states that many will claim to believe, but few will be true followers of Christ.

And yes, it is sad that most churches are very closed minded and judgemental when it comes to people who are different, and are considered &quot;sinful&quot; people. But true Christians are not as such. Friend, wherever you went, you didn't my God that day. Jesus said that he did not come to save the clean, but the unclean. He welcomed the &quot;dirty&quot; prostitute into his kingdom and forgave her many sins, washing her white as snow. Therefore, there will always be a place in God's kingdom for those willing to call out to him and repent. He is waiting with open arms, just like the father welcomes the prodigal son. There is a celebration in heaven every time some believes.

Supersix, who said his devoted brother-in-law is fighting cancer, and wanted to know what kind of God would do that... well, Job was a man who was blameless before the Lord, so the Lord blessed him with many things in the world. But one day when God and satan were talking, God said, &quot;Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.&quot; But satan said that the only reason why Job feared God was because of his many blessings. So he allowed satan to test Job's faithfulness. Satan killed all Job's children, took away all his possessions, and even took away his health, yet Job did not curse in God's face as satan expected him to. And so God blessed him twice as much as before, doubling his possessions and giving him many children. (Book of Job) Those of you with children, which of you would smack your child around after he did something that pleased you, like getting you a nice gift? Or if they asked you for food would give them a rock? &quot;If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your father in heaven give to those who ask him?&quot;
God is a loving God, and he does not harm his children. He is always in control because he is omnipotent. Often things happen that we cannot understand at the present, or we may never understand, but that does not mean that God does not exist, or that he does not care. He does care. A lot! A quick example of this is in my brother's friend. He lived life to the fullest, and had strong faith in the Lord, yet just last year, he died in an auto accident. Of coarse we asked why, but because of his death, many more came to believe in Christ. I do not know why the cancer is afflicting your brother in law. All i can say is that God is in control. And as Paul said in prison, if you kill me, i will be closer to my God in heaven. If you let me live, then that is another day i can praise and serve my God. If your brother in law is a true Christian and is as dedicated as you say, then he will share the same attitude and be joyful because he is able to live for God.
Call me a freak, call me a fanatic, but i don't care because my God is real, he is alive, and he is awesome.
Just two weeks ago, i got in a car accident at church in which someone's rear end bumper was caved in completely. I went inside to pray with my pastor, and talked with the other person. Later, i found out that a half hour after i left church, the bumper came out, and the car looked like it had never been in an accident. At first i did not believe it, so i had to touch it with my own hands before i could comprehend what had happened. Call it what you will, but i know it could only have been the hand of God that could do such a thing.

My challenge to you &quot;christians&quot; out there is this:
re-examine your life and see what you are doing to serve God. If you have no personal relationship with God, you are not a christian, and no matter what you think, that is the truth.

What i have said here, you may not agree with, but these are the things I hold as truth. I realize that this is hard to understand and believe, but that is what religion is based upon: faith. I, myself, have often struggled with my faith, as most believers do, but God has shown me time and time again that he is the one, true God.
So for those who do not believe, and for those who may have once believed but now are lost, i can only say this: I will pray for you, and God loves you, even if the world hates you.
Even if you hate him, he still loves you. If loves you so much, he died to save you, if only you will accept his free gift of life.
 

NeoHC421

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Jan 7, 2001
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blunder, i completely agree that it matters HOW you believe. If you are lukewarm in your beliefs and don't act upon them, how can you say that you truly believe it?
 

Joemonkey

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<< Then may I ask how you became an atheist? >>



i tend to think everyone is born an atheist... how would you know of a god to worship unless someone &quot;taught&quot; you the idea of a god? i was a &quot;cradle catholic&quot; and had religion crammed down my throat until i got out of the house... was required to go to church and sunday school and all that worthless stuff every weekend. all that sitting there hearing how they needed money for this or money for that or pray for this or that just got on my damn nerves.

as george carlin says, there's more physical evidence of UFO's existing than god, but if you say you believe in UFOs people think you're crazy. i wouldn't go so far as to call myself an atheist at this point in my life, but i'm pretty damn agnostic...

another little paraphrase of george carlin: christianity tries to get you to believe there's this old man with a beard who lives in the clouds and watches EVERY one of us EVERY second of the day, watching our every move. he has this checklist of 10 things he doesn't want you to do. if you DO any of these things, he sends you to an eternity of burning pain. but he loves you.
 

NeoHC421

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Jan 7, 2001
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that is not true. As long as you repent if you break his commands, he forgives you, and you will not go to hell. You will pay consequences because God is holy, and if you weren't punished, it would diminish his holiness, however you can still go to heaven.
 

datalink7

Lifer
Jan 23, 2001
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NeoHC:

I am an agnostic who doesn't believe in God. I do admit that a god could exist, though. I just don't think that their is enough evidence to either prove the existance of God or present me with a viable God to believe in. That is just my take. Now my question to you it: Do you take into account that you could be wrong? Don't you think that their is a possibility that their isn't a God? And note, I am not trying to ask this in a rude way, so don't take it that way. I seriously want to know. Since I have always prescribed to &quot;I don't believe that God exists, but there could be a God&quot; is the converse for you true as well (&quot;I believe God exist, but there also is a possibility that there is not God&quot?
 

skylark

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Feb 24, 2001
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<< although history has proven that the great thinkers understand the true idiocy and conformity of religion. >>



and you call theists Sheep??!?! bwahahahahaha! that very statement proves that you'd rather accept what some supposed &quot;genius&quot; has concluded, than come to your own conclusion. you're no different than anyone else.
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hahaha. you nailed it right on the bull's head.
 

skylark

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<< Religion is for sheep...conformists who follow blindly because you'd rather not form your opinions.

That said, I'm the most hardcore Atheist you'll ever find.
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another athiest who thinks he knows all, yet knows little of this world. its not taht your cynical, its more like contempt and disdain. you're still a fundamentalist, just like the next theist.

 

Whisper

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I prefer my own personal version of Christianity: No Hell involved

I just can't swallow the fact that God would send any person to burn for all of eternity because of mistakes made as a mortal being here on earth. Sure, perhaps there's some sort of &quot;Time Out&quot; in the great beyond. But Hell? I think not. Then again, that's just my opinion.

As for Christians/Religious Devout Peoples being sheep: just so much as the average person, whether they be atheist, christian, buddhist, etc. I'd say that the &quot;sheep&quot; aspect is more an outcome of demographic than belief. Then again, anyone who accuses others of being sheep usually isn't doing too well for themselves. But again, that's just my opinion.
 

lowfatbaconboy

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hrmmm... i agree with the sitting through something u disagree with raises stress...

id rather believe in something that can be proved than something that is totally unprovable at the moment. And no the bible is not proof. Yes and i do realize its called &quot;blind faith&quot; but thats just plain stupid to me
 

kyutip

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yeah, sometimes you just gotta take a leap of faith even though you do not believe in anything.
Kinda like Homer when he said &quot;please help me Superman&quot;
 

RossGr

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This brings up some interesting ideas. If longiviety is a valid test of the validity of religion, then I should do a statical analysis of the worlds religions to find the one with the largest deviation from the local mean, then adatpt that religion.


Why does this seem like a pretty weak method.
 

troglodytis

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now i don't care if you are a sheep, rabbit, jackass, or frog, but doesn't the bible call christians sheep? and jesus in the sheppard? and us non-christians are goats. i can't quote it, but don't i remember reading something like that in the bible(been a couple of years since i read it)?

if so...why would it bother you christians to be called sheep? if that is what your god says you are then rejoice in your sheepdom. if someone says you are a sheep, give'm the quote from the bible and thank them for their complement.

if not....just ignore me.
 

skylark

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<< that is not true. As long as you repent if you break his commands, he forgives you, and you will not go to hell. You will pay consequences because God is holy, and if you weren't punished, it would diminish his holiness, however you can still go to heaven. >>



well guess all the other good and morally conscious non-christians are not going to heaven, hey? buddhists? taoists? hermetics? atheits?

i dont' see any divine insight in that logic. and I don't see any logic in repentance, knowing if i don't, im going to a nasty place after i die. its a fear tactic, simple as that.

repentance is knowing by your own individual conscience THAT you need to change your disagreeable ways and negative habits, not words from a bible. The bible should be considered a reference and a guide, not absolute truth. as Buddha once said: &quot;Do not place another head above yours&quot;. Yes, that means the Bible. He is saying even after you are taught from the teachings, you must investigate and applied those teachings in your life to see if it is valid. and that means going out of your inherent belief structure to do so. Simply, don't take your master's word for it. Buddhist views like that make more sense to me than the holy words of the bible: &quot;thou shall only believe in me, to be saved and granted eternal life.&quot;

plus, heaven and hell is getting old. the complexity of this world and other abnormalities like spirits, planar entities, and ghosts don't fit the christian schema of the afterlife.

God is a fish in a big dark ocean, among many other fishes. He is not the totality as a governing body for this entire world, this entire universe. Do you seriously think God is it, the big kahuna? Bah..Such rapture is blindness, such beautiful rainbows you can't tear off your eyes.
 

skylark

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<< This brings up some interesting ideas. If longiviety is a valid test of the validity of religion, then I should do a statical analysis of the worlds religions to find the one with the largest deviation from the local mean, then adatpt that religion.


Why does this seem like a pretty weak method.
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RossGR, the inherent problem with that is, why would some long-lived mystic want to come out to the open and tell you about it? plus you couldn't really do a statistical analysis with numbers and math, you'll have to live in the environment, like researchers do with wildlife they are studying.

 

reitz

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NeoHC421,

It is exactly &quot;Christians&quot; such as yourself who have given most of the atheists such a poor view of Christian beliefs. Your assertations that most people will burn in Hell, and your &quot;judgement&quot; of those who do not believe the same things you do, are far more effective in driving people from your &quot;religion&quot; than anything any opposing viewpoints have ever come up with. Those views of &quot;Christianity&quot; turn off so many rational, intelligent people.

You preach strict obedience, and punishment for failure to comply, and yet blindly commit the same sins you accuse others of. You may feel that you are doing your &quot;God&quot; a service by preaching to those who have not yet found your way, yet you refuse to even accept as valid the views of those of us who believe in those ancient vitures such as tolerance, acceptance, and love for your fellow man. While we believe in tolerating other viewpoints, you expect us to adopt yours without question. Your closed mind prevents you from seeing this.

I'll tell you again, though you'll continue to ignore it, that you are only forcing people further from the Message. You'll simply shake your head, though, and think that if only I would see it your way, I would understand. Your &quot;religion&quot; has perverted the original Message, and it is finally putting the nails into its own self-inflicted coffin. People will continue to be turned away from your &quot;message&quot;, until you learn to encourage faith, not obedience, tolerance and love, not conformity-or-else, and spirituality and ideas instead of blind adherence to the &quot;facts&quot; of allegorical stories.

That is not to take away from any of the true teachings of the Bible. Many people of faith believe that Christ died for our sins, and at the same time see how Muslims, Buddhists, and Jews are all also correct. We follow and believe in the virtues taught, not the judgments and condemnations that were only parts of the story.
 
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