If someone gets beaten up for putting "Man love rules OK?" on your car, then that person is not the dipshit in the situation.
unlikely, but how about you just act like a person instead of a dipshit?
You've already proven yourself an idiot and a troll in this thread, but I'll respond anyway. A bad teacher should never have gotten tenure in the first place - that's the responsibility of the administration & board of education. If a bad teacher gets through somehow, don't blame that on the union. As far as "making it impossible to fire" - wrong. All that tenure does is guarantees that due process will be followed - that there is a legitimate reason the teacher should be fired for. This protection also allows for improvements in education through research. You think anyone is going to try something new if they're told up front that "well, if this works better, great. But, if it works worse, then you'll be fired."Also here it is almost impossible to fire a teacher who is tenured. So bad teachers continue to teach.
I strive to improve my teaching every year. The one thing that has made the biggest contribution to greater student success is smartboards. I'm not 100% sure they would have as significant an impact in every course; and perhaps they've had minimal impact in some of the courses I teach (Calculus) - but in geometry, the ability to manipulate shapes on the screen is tremendously helpful in explaining concepts. Heck, do you have any idea how much classroom time is saved by me having a big 3 foot tall calculator that I can push the buttons of on the screen (of the same model that the students are using)?Tell the school district to stop spending money on smartboards and iPads.
Here in the Austin area, my wife can't find a public school teaching job. Graduated in 09 with a good GPA, many internships, and has only gotten about 2 or 3 interviews after applying to many positions. Luckily I've had a good job during this period, but it's difficult to see her go through this.
My teachers would ask the students to punch that in then yell out the answer. It usually works pretty well. It got interesting when two people shout out different answers, then 10 other people try.Heck, do you have any idea how much classroom time is saved by me having a big 3 foot tall calculator that I can push the buttons of on the screen (of the same model that the students are using)?
One problem is that a lot of teachers take the wrong classes in college. According to my high school math teachers, taking a minor in something like math or chemistry is how you get a teaching job. There's always a shortage of math and science teachers. If your minor was Russian literature, then you won't get a teaching job any time soon.school district and we're looking for a math teacher.
You've already proven yourself an idiot and a troll in this thread, but I'll respond anyway. A bad teacher should never have gotten tenure in the first place - that's the responsibility of the administration & board of education. If a bad teacher gets through somehow, don't blame that on the union. As far as "making it impossible to fire" - wrong. All that tenure does is guarantees that due process will be followed - that there is a legitimate reason the teacher should be fired for. This protection also allows for improvements in education through research. You think anyone is going to try something new if they're told up front that "well, if this works better, great. But, if it works worse, then you'll be fired."
I strive to improve my teaching every year. The one thing that has made the biggest contribution to greater student success is smartboards. I'm not 100% sure they would have as significant an impact in every course; and perhaps they've had minimal impact in some of the courses I teach (Calculus) - but in geometry, the ability to manipulate shapes on the screen is tremendously helpful in explaining concepts. Heck, do you have any idea how much classroom time is saved by me having a big 3 foot tall calculator that I can push the buttons of on the screen (of the same model that the students are using)?
Right now, with all the budget cuts, finding teaching positions is a lot more difficult. Back when I graduated, I put my degree, transcripts, teaching test results, etc., in some sort of online clearinghouse for North Carolina & South Carolina. Months later, I was still getting calls weekly, "hello, DrPizza? Hi, I'm from the < .. > school district and we're looking for a math teacher. We'd like to hire you. You start next monday, we'll pay your moving expenses and we are working with local real estate agents to have an apartment available for you to use while you're searching for your own residence." I was recently discussing this with a local college professor - it is truly a thing of the past.
Very Few teachers have 2 bachelors and a masters. Most have just 1 bachelors.
90% of teachers have only been to school for 1 bachelors and 1 year of teaching credentials.
I am not a troll, and people here are making generalize comments about shit they do not know. I was only saying their comments wasn't as universal as they claimed.
I don't know about the rest of the US but in NY Overpaid and cry entirely too much about how much work they have. Every single holiday off, every religious holiday off, 3 weeks off during the year, plus 3 months in the summer where they take a class for some meaningless certificate that gets them a $2k bump in salary and then bitch that they had to spend a week of their summer doing it.
Of course I'm sure there are teachers that actually teach, but because of unions teachers get paid based on the # of useless pieces of paper they acquire and years working, not merit.
I know two people that teach in NYC public schools, one teaches 1st grade makes $51k a year and got a $6k bump in salary for having a masters. Because masters level macaroni drawings are much better then BA level. Not only that they'll get their hard earned pensions from playing pin the tail on the donkey for 30 years. A day care center instructor makes $30k a year with no benefits, why is someone making more than twice the amount for the same work?
Teachers unions and the education system are broken and need to be fixed.
Am surprised at the number of people who think they are underpaid.
Last year the city of Milwaukee reported that the average teacher cost the city $100k in pay and benefits.
Since they only work 9 months a year that worked out too $133 for a year round job.
Not a lot of private sector employees making that kind of money with bachelors degrees unless they have a ton of responsibilities.
Very Few teachers have 2 bachelors and a masters. Most have just 1 bachelors.
Am surprised at the number of people who think they are underpaid.
Last year the city of Milwaukee reported that the average teacher cost the city $100k in pay and benefits.
Since they only work 9 months a year that worked out too $133 for a year round job.
Not a lot of private sector employees making that kind of money with bachelors degrees unless they have a ton of responsibilities.
I'd like to see these studies.100k is not representative. For every place paying 100k I can find one paying 30k...and that's IF you can get a 1.0 instead of a .4 or .6.
We have already put to bed the bullshit lie about the 9 month thing. Teachers put in the same number of hours in a year as any other professional, according to basically every study on the subject.
Go blow smoke up someone else's ass.
Students are in school for around 7 hours a day. So teachers are spending almost 3 hours a day without students in front of them grading home work and tests??
It depends on the teacher and subject. My high school chemistry teacher didn't need to do that much work because he was bright enough to save all of his lesson plans and all of his transparencies from year to year.Students are in school for around 7 hours a day. So teachers are spending almost 3 hours a day without students in front of them grading home work and tests??
I'd like to see these studies.
Just do the math.
Guy working 40 hours a week, 2 weeks vacation, 10 paid holidays or 48 weeks or 240 days of work
1920 hours.
Average school year is around 180 days. Let's say a week of work before, after and a week worth of teacher workshops for another 15 days. That brings us to 195 days of work a year.
That means a teacher would have to work 9.8 hours for every day of work for the entire year to average what an 8 hour a day employee makes.
7am-445pm everyday!
Students are in school for around 7 hours a day. So teachers are spending almost 3 hours a day without students in front of them grading home work and tests??
BTW comparing the hours works verse all workers doesn't count. Compare them to people in the same income bracket.
I grew up in a two-teacher household and will say that teachers are not overpaid or underpaid, overworked or underworked. A teacher's "over/under" fluctuates throughout the year and throughout the years.
First off, teachers tend to be over educated. Teaching jobs require a Bachelors degree and a license. In CA, where I grew up, it has gotten to the point where the licensure requirements are so ridiculous that most teachers just get Masters degrees in education b/c it's only an extra quarter or semester. The vast majority of teachers do not need Masters degrees in education but the stupid licensure requirements and pay matrices make it a given.
Good teachers tend to be regularly overworked. When principals make the class lists each year and have to dole out the problem kids, guess who gets them? The good teachers. In a small/medium elementary school with 4 teachers per grade it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to have 1 good teacher, 2 average teachers, and 1 bad teacher per grade. With 80-100 students, probably 10 of them will be poor students or have behavior problems. Five will get you ten that the good teacher ends up with 5 of those kids, the average teachers end up with 2 each, and the bad teacher gets 1. Now, not only is the good teacher dealing with 5 times as many headaches as the bad teacher, but you can also bank on the fact that those kids' parents won't be involved in the classroom at all, putting the good teacher at a huge disadvantage for parental help.
Young teachers tend to be overworked. In a teacher's first few years there is a lot of time spent outside the classroom. Forget grading, lesson planning takes a long time. I've seen new teachers get to school at 6:30, stay until 5, and then work more at home. It's not until a teacher has about 7+ years under their belt that they have enough lesson planning done to be able to know that 80% of the work is already done; the remaining 20% will be new lessons that need planning b/c the curriculum will change every few years. Oh, and don't forget that new teachers, especially good new teachers, are the ones most likely to be asked to change grades to fill voids. That 3rd-year teacher starting to feel comfortable in 2nd grade will be in for a shock when they get moved to 7th grade in year 4!
Teachers do spend a lot of time during the summer taking credits, but they don't work all through the summer. I'd say they typically spend 25% of their summers taking credits, planning, etc.
Teachers do spend a lot of money out of pocket for their students. $200 for a year's worth of classroom supplies was a common subsidy from schools I had experience with. If you've ever tried to outfit a classroom to be a good learning environment you know that $200 will last 10 minutes at a teacher supply store.
Bad teachers are frustratingly hard to get rid of. Is it because of unions and tenure? Maybe, probably not. Bad teachers are hard to get rid of because of cronyism. Who has all the time to hang out in the teacher's lounge? Is it the new teachers doing lesson plans? Is it the good teachers spending extra time with the at-risk kids? No, it's the bad teachers who have nothing better to do. When they hang out with other bad teachers they become friends with each other and with the administrators. Bad teachers become Vice Principals, Principals, Deans, Superintendants, etc much more often than good teachers because they have the connections. When they get promoted, who are they likely to promote with them? Their friends, the other bad teachers, of course! Those who can't do, teach; those who can't teach get promoted and tell the teachers how they're doing it wrong.
I'd like to see these studies.
Just do the math.
Guy working 40 hours a week, 2 weeks vacation, 10 paid holidays or 48 weeks or 240 days of work
1920 hours.
Average school year is around 180 days. Let's say a week of work before, after and a week worth of teacher workshops for another 15 days. That brings us to 195 days of work a year.
That means a teacher would have to work 9.8 hours for every day of work for the entire year to average what an 8 hour a day employee makes.
7am-445pm everyday!
Students are in school for around 7 hours a day. So teachers are spending almost 3 hours a day without students in front of them grading home work and tests??
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Bullshit!
That McDonalds job is going to require 45-50 hours a week every week for 50 weeks a year.
Compared to 50 hours a week for 9 months a year.
A 45-50 hour week is pretty much standard for white collar employees these days. So the typical working making similar pay as a teacher is working as many hours a week as a teacher and doesn't get 14 weeks off a year.
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Teachers Work the Same Number of Hours as Average U.S. Worker
As reported by the Wall Street Journal and according to a 2008 report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), American primary-school educators spend 1,913 hours working a year including hours teachers spend on work at home and outside of the classroom. Data from a Labor Department survey that same year showed that the average full-time employee in the United States worked 1,932 hours spread over 48 weeks. This statistic shows that teachers work about the same number of hours as the average worker in the United States. This statistic refutes the argument that teachers should be paid considerably less than other workers because "teachers only work 9 months of the year." Any effective teacher has always known that is simply not true. The OECD reported that primary-school educators spent 1,097 hours a year teaching in the classroom--the most of any of the 27 members nations tracked. That same report showed the class sizes in the United States were on average the 10th highest of the 31 nations for which this data was reported. According to data from 2006, salaries for teachers in the United States were ranked 12th when adjusted for purchasing power parity and GDP per capita.
http://americansocietytoday.blogspot...-hours-as.html
Any Q?
Add in the extra stuff teachers do like sports team coaching, drama productions, chaperoning, dances, parent-teacher nights, and you've got a lot of extra hours there.