[Techspot] FX power vs performance

[erunion]

Its so low you dont even see SR based AM3+ parts.

AMD could easily build a 4 module SR chip, but why? It would be 28nm bulk and perform worse than the 32nm chip it replaced(just like kaveri did).

Even if they had a node capable of producing a faster chip, it would be shackled to AM3+.

AMD's big die platform hit a wall, with no way forward. Progress would require a fresh start: New arch, new socket, new process technology.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Its so low you dont even see SR based AM3+ parts.

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, just that I'm not sure you're right either. AM3+ is old, that may be why AMD isn't going to sink money into it. They have to focus in areas where they can make a real profit, AM3+ probably isn't it anymore.

 

[escrow4]

Why is it taking AMD so long. Intel is cranking out Skylake by the end of next year and the gulf in performance/power is massive. If AMD leaves it any longer it will be insurmountable.

 

[Spungo]

In fact, overclocking all the way to 4.7GHz offers a healthy performance boost without a big increase in power demands.

I hate it when articles put crap like this. It's not even close to accurate.
At stock speed, I can run a Phenom II x6 1055 at 0.200V below stock voltage. Power consumption is incredibly low. You can't drop the voltage through the floor like that when you overclock by 10, 20, or 30%. That performance is not free. It takes a lot of extra power.

 

[escrow4]

Well, AMD falls over again in Metal Gear Solid:

 

[erunion]

Why is it taking AMD so long. Intel is cranking out Skylake by the end of next year and the gulf in performance/power is massive. If AMD leaves it any longer it will be insurmountable.

Before he got canned, Rory Read said AMD would have to limp along with old architectures until 2016.

 

[Spungo]

Well, AMD falls over again in Metal Gear Solid:

That graph shows an i3 4330 getting the same frame rate as an i7 5960x. I can either assume Intel's $100 2-core processor is the same speed as their $1000 8-core processor, or I can assume the test data is wrong.

 

[erunion]

That graph shows an i3 4330 getting the same frame rate as an i7 5960x. I can either assume Intel's $100 2-core processor is the same speed as their $1000 8-core processor, or I can assume the test data is wrong.

Neither. The game is capped at 60fps.

 

[Spungo]

Neither. The game is capped at 60fps.

So basically the test was this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT3d9yZJfGk

 

[erunion]

So basically the test was this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT3d9yZJfGk

You could say that. But note how many chips couldn't even reach that meager 60fps "speed limit".

 

[soccerballtux]

Even manipulated graphs cant sell it

as fast as my 8310 feels I can't imagine how fast an Intel would be.

 

[soccerballtux]

I'm glad that I have 8 more fingers I can use for plugging my ears

 

[SlowSpyder]

Well, AMD falls over again in Metal Gear Solid

Not as good as Intel, but I bet anyone with an FX 8350 will enjoy this game every bit as much as someone with a faster and likely pricier CPU. Especially with even a moderate OC to mid 4GHz range. And of course, Gameworks.

 

[Bradtech519]

Why is it taking AMD so long. Intel is cranking out Skylake by the end of next year and the gulf in performance/power is massive. If AMD leaves it any longer it will be insurmountable.

AMD has cut their R&D significantly from what I've read on here & other sources. They seem to be more focused on ARM or APUs. Desktop high performance discrete CPUs seem to be an after thought now. They released the FX9000 series to get as much as possible out of Piledriver which has been around since mid 2012. I miss the old AMD but I suppose they don't have the resources to focus on everything & they are going after what they consider high growth areas & current money makers for consoles (APUs). I'd love to buy an AMD CPU with better IPC & lower power consumption.

 

[kawi6rr]

But not enough would buy it and it would simply turn out as a loss.

I would buy it just becuase you said "not enough would buy it".

 

[monstercameron]

I would buy it just becuase you said "not enough would buy it".

Way to stick it to the man!

 

[ShintaiDK]

I would buy it just becuase you said "not enough would buy it".

Now you just need to find some millions more with the same willingness and present the case to AMD.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

I'm not too sure, most of the R&D is paid for. They'd just have to put the 'off the shelf' parts together. But, I'm not sure there are many FM2+ boards that come with the power delivery that would be needed for a 4GHz+ Steamroller four module part.

Agreed -- I think they could do it if they wanted. All they really would need to do is remove the GPU portion to give it the necessary space. Not sure if they have the room or power capacity (of FM2 motherboard) for 4 modules, but I'd settle for a 3 module Athlon on FM2+ right now.

 

[III-V]

I would buy it just becuase you said "not enough would buy it".

Don't jump off a bridge.

This is really rather ridiculous. You are so obstinately opposed to everything that Shintai says to the point you'll do things, and your own expense, just to spite him?

This is unhealthy, to say the least.

 

[Spungo]

But not enough would buy it and it would simply turn out as a loss.

It's hard to tell. I keep checking Newegg to see what stuff AMD is selling, and it seems like their 28nm Athlon X4 is always sold out.

I think AMD is on the right track. There's really no sense in trying to take the crown from the i7. Focus on average people. Average people don't play Far Cry 4 on their PC. Average people just want to watch 4k videos without lag and they don't want to spend a bunch of money doing it.

 

[mrmt]

I think AMD is on the right track. There's really no sense in trying to take the crown from the i7. Focus on average people. Average people don't play Far Cry 4 on their PC. Average people just want to watch 4k videos without lag and they don't want to spend a bunch of money doing it.

If AMD is on the right track, how's that their CPU business is both shrinking and losing money?

 

[Arachnotronic]

It's hard to tell. I keep checking Newegg to see what stuff AMD is selling, and it seems like their 28nm Athlon X4 is always sold out.

I think AMD is on the right track. There's really no sense in trying to take the crown from the i7. Focus on average people. Average people don't play Far Cry 4 on their PC. Average people just want to watch 4k videos without lag and they don't want to spend a bunch of money doing it.

The "average people" buy mostly Intel as can be seen from both companies' respective financials.

 

[TheELF]

Average people just want to watch 4k videos without lag and they don't want to spend a bunch of money doing it.

Indeed,and indeed there is no cheap APU that can play 4k, on the other side any haswell can play 4k smoothly, even the cheapest one the G1820
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon-5350-sempron-3850_8.html#sect0
But even expensive APUs fail at it
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/trinity-vs-ivy-bridge_11.html
(this one is from before quick sync was unlocked on smaller CPUs )

Add to this the ability of quick sync to (trans)code video into H264 at very high speeds and you got yourself a winner.

 

[el etro]

Two pages and we have the typical AMD thread.


That's why i don't frequent the CPU forums here.





BTW, FX is not bad processors, but single-thread performance matters much for me, so that's why i use intel processors these times.

 

[Cerb]

That graph shows an i3 4330 getting the same frame rate as an i7 5960x. I can either assume Intel's $100 2-core processor is the same speed as their $1000 8-core processor, or I can assume the test data is wrong.

Their $100 2-core processor is rated for the the same speed as their $1000 8-core processor, though might occasionally go a little bit higher. If 2 cores and 4MB L3 are enough, they'll perform about the same.