Hey my uncles and aunts were butchered by Hindus, I still have some family in India (only females though) who are forcebly married to Hindus. I guess thats Secularism.
As for India, they are gonna have your job very soon.
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Maybe if you stopped bombing their country and stopped producing terrorists they wouldn't be fixated on it. So far it seems as if the Indians on this forum have a far better grasp of ideas and the English language than you or your friend Javed.
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?
Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.
But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.
I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.
Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.
Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.
Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.
There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.
What a deluded individual you are. Full of twisted hate.
The Prime Minster of India is a Sikh and the President is a Muslim.
In Pakistan Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists don't even have basic rights.
Any proof of the last comment or just more ridiculous hate mongering?
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?
Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.
But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.
I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.
Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.
Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.
Secular? Ha. Refer to the Gujarat Massacre for a proof of secularism. Refer to the Operation Bluestar for proof of secularism. Refer to the 50+ years of suppression to the right of self-determination of the Kashmiri people.
If you are so confident about what you state, press upon the Indian government to let the Kashmiris choose.
I don't need to. I'm a white boy from Maryland.
I'm sure India will succeed though. The West and its ideas of secularism are strong. Soon there will be another pillar in the East.
You can't stop the world from progressing.
Seems like you made most of this up, this has been reported in no other major newspaper in India
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?
Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.
But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.
I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.
Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.
Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.
Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.
There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.
What a deluded individual you are. Full of twisted hate.
The Prime Minster of India is a Sikh and the President is a Muslim.
In Pakistan Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists don't even have basic rights.
Any proof of the last comment or just more ridiculous hate mongering?
Pakistan is over 90% Muslim with no Hindus, Buddhists or Sikhs in any part of its government, entertainment industry or business sector.
Originally posted by: Sultan
Umm, another ignorant fool's bull-crap. Pakistan is 98% Muslim and we STILL have non-Muslims in the parliment, business sector and the educational sector. Ardeshir Cowasjee is a well-known columnist, philanthropist and social worker. Daniesh Kaneira is a Hindu. I can go on and on, but nothing will change the mind of an ignorant fool.
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: Sultan
Umm, another ignorant fool's bull-crap. Pakistan is 98% Muslim and we STILL have non-Muslims in the parliment, business sector and the educational sector. Ardeshir Cowasjee is a well-known columnist, philanthropist and social worker. Daniesh Kaneira is a Hindu. I can go on and on, but nothing will change the mind of an ignorant fool.
...and I recall that a recently nominated Supreme Court Justice is also a Hindu. But the difference is that everything in Pakistan operates under the concept of Islam - even if you are a non-Muslim in some seat of power, your actions have to subscribe to Islamic theology. I don't need to point out proof of that - it's in your Constitution.
Sultan, you are being disingenuous when you deliberately avoid the incontrovertible evidence of secularism in India and the success it has demonstrated consistently. I make these responses more for the benefit of your American masters. They tend to be naive about the role of Pakistan in advancing terrorism.
Jave, thanks for bringing up how Nixon and Kissinger spoke of India Thank you ever so much! Ah, Nixon! That loveable rogue! And Kissinger! Dear me! With friends like those, no wonder Pakistan is in the shape it is in today. Leave alone the fact that Kissinger apologized for his words, the President and Secretary of State of the world's most powerful nation were no doubt pissed off that India refused to be cowed by American threats during the 1971 war when we liberated Bangladesh. Back then it was the 7th fleet rescuing the defeated Pakistani Generals from Bangladesh. Nice little game you and Americans have going on there - your military goes and fvcks up some part of your neighbourhood and the Americans come and rescue your sorry asses :roll:
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: athithi
Proletariat, ignore this troll. He is simply digressing from the topic to make himself and Pakistan look good in the eyes of his American overlords :laugh: If anything, I only feel sorry for him. Pakistan's survival depends on how many orgasms it can give to the US.
When one of the misfits fail to respond intelligently, the only option is to accuse of trolling. Its ok Bro, I know your inferiority complex has severely affected your psyche. I hope that you can come out of it.
Inferiority complex? To what?
India is a vibrant, developing democracy. Pakistan is a failed military state. I don't understand why any country in Asia, Europe or NA would be jealous of Pakistan or its neighbors Afghanistan and Iran.
If there was no inferiority complex, Indians would look to their own developments and not look at their "failed military" neighbor state. Just the fact that all of the Indian idiots on the forum here are fixated on Pakistan is sufficient to show your inferiority complex.
And hey, did I not embarrass you just a few posts ago? You have some gall to present the face of the vibrant, developing democracy where the two main religions cannot coexist in a, what you call, SECULAR environment, and the dominant religion massacres, rapes and pillages thousands of Muslims.
Maybe if you stopped bombing their country and stopped producing terrorists they wouldn't be fixated on it. So far it seems as if the Indians on this forum have a far better grasp of ideas and the English language than you or your friend Javed.
Maybe if you stopped pointing accusatory fingers and took care of your own problems, you would have a better idea what is going on in YOUR country. Who destroyed the Ayodhya mosque? Who massacred the Gujarat Muslims? Who massacred the Sikhs in Operation Bluestar? All that YOU Indians know what to do is point fingers.
And dissing me on my command over English Language? Very classy, I feel so hurt :roll:
I'm not Indian kindly STFU and back off.
Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?
Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.
But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?
Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.
But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.
I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.
Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.
Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.
Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.
There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: athithi
Proletariat, ignore this troll. He is simply digressing from the topic to make himself and Pakistan look good in the eyes of his American overlords :laugh: If anything, I only feel sorry for him. Pakistan's survival depends on how many orgasms it can give to the US.
When one of the misfits fail to respond intelligently, the only option is to accuse of trolling. Its ok Bro, I know your inferiority complex has severely affected your psyche. I hope that you can come out of it.
Inferiority complex? To what?
India is a vibrant, developing democracy. Pakistan is a failed military state. I don't understand why any country in Asia, Europe or NA would be jealous of Pakistan or its neighbors Afghanistan and Iran.
If there was no inferiority complex, Indians would look to their own developments and not look at their "failed military" neighbor state. Just the fact that all of the Indian idiots on the forum here are fixated on Pakistan is sufficient to show your inferiority complex.
And hey, did I not embarrass you just a few posts ago? You have some gall to present the face of the vibrant, developing democracy where the two main religions cannot coexist in a, what you call, SECULAR environment, and the dominant religion massacres, rapes and pillages thousands of Muslims.
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: Sultan
Umm, another ignorant fool's bull-crap. Pakistan is 98% Muslim and we STILL have non-Muslims in the parliment, business sector and the educational sector. Ardeshir Cowasjee is a well-known columnist, philanthropist and social worker. Daniesh Kaneira is a Hindu. I can go on and on, but nothing will change the mind of an ignorant fool.
...and I recall that a recently nominated Supreme Court Justice is also a Hindu. But the difference is that everything in Pakistan operates under the concept of Islam - even if you are a non-Muslim in some seat of power, your actions have to subscribe to Islamic theology. I don't need to point out proof of that - it's in your Constitution.
Sultan, you are being disingenuous when you deliberately avoid the incontrovertible evidence of secularism in India and the success it has demonstrated consistently. I make these responses more for the benefit of your American masters. They tend to be naive about the role of Pakistan in advancing terrorism.
Jave, thanks for bringing up how Nixon and Kissinger spoke of India Thank you ever so much! Ah, Nixon! That loveable rogue! And Kissinger! Dear me! With friends like those, no wonder Pakistan is in the shape it is in today. Leave alone the fact that Kissinger apologized for his words, the President and Secretary of State of the world's most powerful nation were no doubt pissed off that India refused to be cowed by American threats during the 1971 war when we liberated Bangladesh. Back then it was the 7th fleet rescuing the defeated Pakistani Generals from Bangladesh. Nice little game you and Americans have going on there - your military goes and fvcks up some part of your neighbourhood and the Americans come and rescue your sorry asses :roll:
Originally posted by: sxr7171
I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.
As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: Sultan
Umm, another ignorant fool's bull-crap. Pakistan is 98% Muslim and we STILL have non-Muslims in the parliment, business sector and the educational sector. Ardeshir Cowasjee is a well-known columnist, philanthropist and social worker. Daniesh Kaneira is a Hindu. I can go on and on, but nothing will change the mind of an ignorant fool.
...and I recall that a recently nominated Supreme Court Justice is also a Hindu. But the difference is that everything in Pakistan operates under the concept of Islam - even if you are a non-Muslim in some seat of power, your actions have to subscribe to Islamic theology. I don't need to point out proof of that - it's in your Constitution.
Sultan, you are being disingenuous when you deliberately avoid the incontrovertible evidence of secularism in India and the success it has demonstrated consistently. I make these responses more for the benefit of your American masters. They tend to be naive about the role of Pakistan in advancing terrorism.
Jave, thanks for bringing up how Nixon and Kissinger spoke of India Thank you ever so much! Ah, Nixon! That loveable rogue! And Kissinger! Dear me! With friends like those, no wonder Pakistan is in the shape it is in today. Leave alone the fact that Kissinger apologized for his words, the President and Secretary of State of the world's most powerful nation were no doubt pissed off that India refused to be cowed by American threats during the 1971 war when we liberated Bangladesh. Back then it was the 7th fleet rescuing the defeated Pakistani Generals from Bangladesh. Nice little game you and Americans have going on there - your military goes and fvcks up some part of your neighbourhood and the Americans come and rescue your sorry asses :roll:
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?
Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.
But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.
I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.
Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.
Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.
Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.
There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.
That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: athithi
Proletariat, ignore this troll. He is simply digressing from the topic to make himself and Pakistan look good in the eyes of his American overlords :laugh: If anything, I only feel sorry for him. Pakistan's survival depends on how many orgasms it can give to the US.
When one of the misfits fail to respond intelligently, the only option is to accuse of trolling. Its ok Bro, I know your inferiority complex has severely affected your psyche. I hope that you can come out of it.
Inferiority complex? To what?
India is a vibrant, developing democracy. Pakistan is a failed military state. I don't understand why any country in Asia, Europe or NA would be jealous of Pakistan or its neighbors Afghanistan and Iran.
If there was no inferiority complex, Indians would look to their own developments and not look at their "failed military" neighbor state. Just the fact that all of the Indian idiots on the forum here are fixated on Pakistan is sufficient to show your inferiority complex.
And hey, did I not embarrass you just a few posts ago? You have some gall to present the face of the vibrant, developing democracy where the two main religions cannot coexist in a, what you call, SECULAR environment, and the dominant religion massacres, rapes and pillages thousands of Muslims.
Speaking of raping and pillaging see your own link to see what West Pakistan did to it's own people in East Pakistan.
"The military now decided enough was enough. At a meeting of the military top brass, Yahya declared: "Kill 3 million of them and the rest will eat out of our hands.""
"Death squads roamed the streets of Dacca, killing some 7,000 people in a single night. "Within a week, half the population of Dacca had fled."
"Then began the rapes. In Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape, Susan Brownmiller likens it to the Japanese rapes in Nanjing and German rapes in Russia during World War II. "... 200,000, 300,000 or possibly 400,000 women (three sets of statistics have been variously quoted) were raped.""
"As East Pakistan bled, refugees began to pour into India, some 8-10 million over the period of the genocide. "
Yes, sometimes communal violence occurs in India and it is unfortunate. Usually it is an isolated incident in some town or village and the people behind it are arrested. More unfortunate is when they get away with it as in the Babri Masjid incident. I don't condone it at all. However there are no government sponsored or religion sponsored systematic massacres or rapes. It's always a couple of whack jobs who later end up in jail.
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: sxr7171
I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.
As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.
Well, he was appointed acting chief justice and he mastered in Islamic studies. The question is not about Pakistan's right to choose its form of government, but the impact of choosing poorly. India could've just as well chosen to be a Hindu fundamentalist nation and I bet it would have fared just as poorly as Pakistan. Nepal is a Hindu fundamentalist nation and look where it stands today. Religion cannot offer a rational and objective code of governance. Pakistan failed once when it chose a religious form of governance. It failed again when it didn't protect itself from madcap military dictators. It failed a third time when it made alliances out of common enemity and it continues to fail when it makes pretend alliances out of convenience. There is virtually nothing that Pakistan has got right as a nation-state. Nominating a Hindu as acting Chief Justice scarcely compensates for all those failures.
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: athithi
Proletariat, ignore this troll. He is simply digressing from the topic to make himself and Pakistan look good in the eyes of his American overlords :laugh: If anything, I only feel sorry for him. Pakistan's survival depends on how many orgasms it can give to the US.
When one of the misfits fail to respond intelligently, the only option is to accuse of trolling. Its ok Bro, I know your inferiority complex has severely affected your psyche. I hope that you can come out of it.
Inferiority complex? To what?
India is a vibrant, developing democracy. Pakistan is a failed military state. I don't understand why any country in Asia, Europe or NA would be jealous of Pakistan or its neighbors Afghanistan and Iran.
If there was no inferiority complex, Indians would look to their own developments and not look at their "failed military" neighbor state. Just the fact that all of the Indian idiots on the forum here are fixated on Pakistan is sufficient to show your inferiority complex.
And hey, did I not embarrass you just a few posts ago? You have some gall to present the face of the vibrant, developing democracy where the two main religions cannot coexist in a, what you call, SECULAR environment, and the dominant religion massacres, rapes and pillages thousands of Muslims.
Maybe if you stopped bombing their country and stopped producing terrorists they wouldn't be fixated on it. So far it seems as if the Indians on this forum have a far better grasp of ideas and the English language than you or your friend Javed.
Maybe if you stopped pointing accusatory fingers and took care of your own problems, you would have a better idea what is going on in YOUR country. Who destroyed the Ayodhya mosque? Who massacred the Gujarat Muslims? Who massacred the Sikhs in Operation Bluestar? All that YOU Indians know what to do is point fingers.
And dissing me on my command over English Language? Very classy, I feel so hurt :roll:
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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?
Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.
But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.
I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.
Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.
Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.
Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.
There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.
That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.
Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.
And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: sxr7171
I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.
As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.
Well, he was appointed acting chief justice and he mastered in Islamic studies. The question is not about Pakistan's right to choose its form of government, but the impact of choosing poorly. India could've just as well chosen to be a Hindu fundamentalist nation and I bet it would have fared just as poorly as Pakistan. Nepal is a Hindu fundamentalist nation and look where it stands today. Religion cannot offer a rational and objective code of governance. Pakistan failed once when it chose a religious form of governance. It failed again when it didn't protect itself from madcap military dictators. It failed a third time when it made alliances out of common enemity and it continues to fail when it makes pretend alliances out of convenience. There is virtually nothing that Pakistan has got right as a nation-state. Nominating a Hindu as acting Chief Justice scarcely compensates for all those failures.
This is all conjecture and your opinion. Pakistan is surviving well. Its economy is progressing at over 5%. Thats fairly good. By what standards do you actually proclaim Pakistan is a failed state? Pakistan is a country, it exists. Period. Failed state? This is just logical fallacy :roll:
Originally posted by: computeerrgghh
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: athithi
Proletariat, ignore this troll. He is simply digressing from the topic to make himself and Pakistan look good in the eyes of his American overlords :laugh: If anything, I only feel sorry for him. Pakistan's survival depends on how many orgasms it can give to the US.
When one of the misfits fail to respond intelligently, the only option is to accuse of trolling. Its ok Bro, I know your inferiority complex has severely affected your psyche. I hope that you can come out of it.
Inferiority complex? To what?
India is a vibrant, developing democracy. Pakistan is a failed military state. I don't understand why any country in Asia, Europe or NA would be jealous of Pakistan or its neighbors Afghanistan and Iran.
If there was no inferiority complex, Indians would look to their own developments and not look at their "failed military" neighbor state. Just the fact that all of the Indian idiots on the forum here are fixated on Pakistan is sufficient to show your inferiority complex.
And hey, did I not embarrass you just a few posts ago? You have some gall to present the face of the vibrant, developing democracy where the two main religions cannot coexist in a, what you call, SECULAR environment, and the dominant religion massacres, rapes and pillages thousands of Muslims.
Maybe if you stopped bombing their country and stopped producing terrorists they wouldn't be fixated on it. So far it seems as if the Indians on this forum have a far better grasp of ideas and the English language than you or your friend Javed.
Maybe if you stopped pointing accusatory fingers and took care of your own problems, you would have a better idea what is going on in YOUR country. Who destroyed the Ayodhya mosque? Who massacred the Gujarat Muslims? Who massacred the Sikhs in Operation Bluestar? All that YOU Indians know what to do is point fingers.
And dissing me on my command over English Language? Very classy, I feel so hurt :roll:
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Talking about someone hating another, you seem fixated on insulting Proletariat who you thought was an Indian until he said he was white. Talk about hypocrisy. As for class, I like your sig which I have included/quoted for proof. Very classy and even ironic considering that its in Hindi. As for bluestar thats in the past. We can all name numerous massacres from old regimes and political thought but that has nothing to do for now. As for fixating about Pakistan harboring terrorists, what do you have to say about Sheikh Rashid Ahmed and Yasin Malik? You know why Indians are fixated on Pakistan? Cause Pakistan is letting terrorist leak into Kashmir and killing our people. My uncle was fcking pulled out of his bank and beaten by terrorists in Sri Nagar and left on the street to die. The women in my cousin's family were fvcking burned alive in their house while the men were butchered and the children brutally murdered and the women abducted. You want to know about fixation, how about a fixation of fear. In prodominantly muslim parts of Kashmir, there used to be 15% Hindus. Now there are .1%. You named 3 relatively minor incidents compared to the constant fear, death, and murder Indians living in Kashmir must face. Thats why there is a fixation and until you open your eyes are realize what Pakistani terrorists are doing, you will never understand. You will just be another ignorant person twidding his thumbs.
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: sxr7171
I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.
As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.
Well, he was appointed acting chief justice and he mastered in Islamic studies. The question is not about Pakistan's right to choose its form of government, but the impact of choosing poorly. India could've just as well chosen to be a Hindu fundamentalist nation and I bet it would have fared just as poorly as Pakistan. Nepal is a Hindu fundamentalist nation and look where it stands today. Religion cannot offer a rational and objective code of governance. Pakistan failed once when it chose a religious form of governance. It failed again when it didn't protect itself from madcap military dictators. It failed a third time when it made alliances out of common enemity and it continues to fail when it makes pretend alliances out of convenience. There is virtually nothing that Pakistan has got right as a nation-state. Nominating a Hindu as acting Chief Justice scarcely compensates for all those failures.
This is all conjecture and your opinion. Pakistan is surviving well. Its economy is progressing at over 5%. Thats fairly good. By what standards do you actually proclaim Pakistan is a failed state? Pakistan is a country, it exists. Period. Failed state? This is just logical fallacy :roll:
Oh, Pakistan is a wonderful success. I mean its not like Pakistan had a military coup or anything... in fact, I believe that Pakistan has a vibrant democracy and has a rich and diverse political spectrum that represents all sections of society. Its not like the leader of Pakistan has been promising democratic elections for years or years or anything...
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: Jave
Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?
Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.
But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.
I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.
Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.
Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.
Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.
There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.
That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.
Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.
And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:
Wow Sultan.. you are really reaching to smear India aren't you... taking isolated incidents of cricket matches and a trip by an Indian to Pakistan to give some credibility to your argument... c'mon, you could do better than that.
Why are we fixated on Pakistan? Maybe because of this, this, and lets not forgetthis... I could go on and on.
So yeah, we have a very good reason to be fixated on Pakistan. I mean when was the last time an Indian militant group blew themselves up in the midst of civilians or stormed the Pakistani Parliament to carry out assasinations??? When Pakistan completely bans madrassas that are creating the terrorists of tommorrow and take concrete action to stop the flow of Islamic militants, we'll stop being fixated on Pakistan.
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: sxr7171
I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.
As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.
Well, he was appointed acting chief justice and he mastered in Islamic studies. The question is not about Pakistan's right to choose its form of government, but the impact of choosing poorly. India could've just as well chosen to be a Hindu fundamentalist nation and I bet it would have fared just as poorly as Pakistan. Nepal is a Hindu fundamentalist nation and look where it stands today. Religion cannot offer a rational and objective code of governance. Pakistan failed once when it chose a religious form of governance. It failed again when it didn't protect itself from madcap military dictators. It failed a third time when it made alliances out of common enemity and it continues to fail when it makes pretend alliances out of convenience. There is virtually nothing that Pakistan has got right as a nation-state. Nominating a Hindu as acting Chief Justice scarcely compensates for all those failures.
This is all conjecture and your opinion. Pakistan is surviving well. Its economy is progressing at over 5%. Thats fairly good. By what standards do you actually proclaim Pakistan is a failed state? Pakistan is a country, it exists. Period. Failed state? This is just logical fallacy :roll:
Oh, Pakistan is a wonderful success. I mean its not like Pakistan had a military coup or anything... in fact, I believe that Pakistan has a vibrant democracy and has a rich and diverse political spectrum that represents all sections of society. Its not like the leader of Pakistan has been promising democratic elections for years or years or anything...
Why is democracy = success? And why is military coup = failure? Could you like explain that concept? China is not a democracy, it is far more successful than "democratic" India. Still no explanation as to what constitutes Pakistan to be a failure. :roll:
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: athithi
Originally posted by: sxr7171
I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.
As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.
Well, he was appointed acting chief justice and he mastered in Islamic studies. The question is not about Pakistan's right to choose its form of government, but the impact of choosing poorly. India could've just as well chosen to be a Hindu fundamentalist nation and I bet it would have fared just as poorly as Pakistan. Nepal is a Hindu fundamentalist nation and look where it stands today. Religion cannot offer a rational and objective code of governance. Pakistan failed once when it chose a religious form of governance. It failed again when it didn't protect itself from madcap military dictators. It failed a third time when it made alliances out of common enemity and it continues to fail when it makes pretend alliances out of convenience. There is virtually nothing that Pakistan has got right as a nation-state. Nominating a Hindu as acting Chief Justice scarcely compensates for all those failures.
This is all conjecture and your opinion. Pakistan is surviving well. Its economy is progressing at over 5%. Thats fairly good. By what standards do you actually proclaim Pakistan is a failed state? Pakistan is a country, it exists. Period. Failed state? This is just logical fallacy :roll:
Oh, Pakistan is a wonderful success. I mean its not like Pakistan had a military coup or anything... in fact, I believe that Pakistan has a vibrant democracy and has a rich and diverse political spectrum that represents all sections of society. Its not like the leader of Pakistan has been promising democratic elections for years or years or anything...
Why is democracy = success? And why is military coup = failure? Could you like explain that concept? China is not a democracy, it is far more successful than "democratic" India. Still no explanation as to what constitutes Pakistan to be a failure. :roll:
Wow, why is a military coup a failure??lol.. what say do the Pakistani people have in their government. Oh, right.. you don't mind if people can choose their leaders. Oh, you wouldn't mind if LeT actually suceeded in assasinating the President... then it would reduce to why is a country run by Islamic extremists a failure. Then you would probally have a series of assasinations and turbulence with the start of a possible nuclear war at the hands of lunatics. Need I go on? The people have no say in their destiny. China is a success?? If you consider success as gross violations of human rights and widespread religous persecution, they yeah.. CHINA is a great country. Not everything is measured with money my friend...
So why is a military coup considered a failure? Because it lacks legitimacy. You know whats funny, Bush's approval rating is at an all time low, last I heard, so was Musharaff's. Its good to know that in a few years American's will be able to choose new leadership.. however, Pakistani's will have to continue to live under false promises of democratic reform.