Terrorists bomb India

[raildogg]

China is great compared to India? GREAT?!!!

Oh yes, they are great because they are killing of Tibetans in their homeland. Because they have driven many out of Tibet and into other places, many went to India. You got no freedom whatsoever. Disease, corruption, disproportionate wealth distribution and no right to protest. But the wealth is in the hands of a few, and for that China is great. But I will say one thing, China has done a great job in cracking down on its muslim extremism problem, which I will give big thumbs up to.

India on the other hand is relatively impoverished but has great potential to be a super power in a few decades. There is mass corruption in India and lots of smaller parts of the country seem distant from the government in New Dehli, so that could be a problem. Then there is the problem of over-population, which could be good or bad, or both. It certainly gives India a large workforce. There is religious conflict in India, which is harder to deal with since India is a open democracy unlikel China. You can fight terrorists much more easily in a dictatorship like China or Pakistan, but in a open society like India, it is much more difficult.

Also, yes a military coup does mean failure and a democracy does mean success. This is not true of all cases, but for India and Pakistan, this does seem to be the case. One is a country run by military gangsters who had a opportunity to come to power and take complete control of the country. The other is a huge, vibrant country full of greatness that just needs a bit of fine tuning. It took India many decades to get to where its at today and will take many more for it to realize its potential. I cannot say anything about reaching full potential, however.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Sultan
Did evidence EVER come about regarding the Parliment bombing? Except, hahaha, the militants were CARRYING Pakistani passports at the time of attack AND using Pakistan made grenades. Either the Pakistani trained militants are EXTREMELY GOOD at such amazing attacks, or INCREDIBLY DUMB leaving such clear evidences. Take your pick.

...I'll pick dumb, along with murderous and psychotic. You want us to believe an Islamic Fundamentalist Dictatorship over a free Indian press? :roll:

And stop talking about how the Indian team (which incidentally thrashed Pakistan) was received in Pakistan. How about Kris Srikkanth, the Indian captain, being assualted mid-pitch in 1989? How about Saeed Anwar receving a standing ovation in Chennai after his 196? How about the Pakistan team running a victory lap to a standing ovation in Chennai after winning the test by some 15 runs (the one in which Sachin scored 136)? You are a liar, plain and simple. Pakistan is a failed nation in so many ways that is difficult to start counting. How about Musharraf accusing rape victims of bringing it upon themselves? How about the rapists going scot-free every single time? How about Nuclear proliferation? Selling stolen nuclear secrets to the worst regimes in the world like Libya and NK? How low has Pakistan sunk that it can deal with countries like NK and Libya? Yeah, go model yourselves after China :roll: Your statements about secularism and democracy alone provie how successful Pakistan has been as a nation. You've sunk so low that you don't even realize what secularism and democracy mean, leave alone the sham that your constitution claims to protect it - go read the link I provided for Pakistan's constitution. As long as Pakistanis like you idiotically keep defending the failed policies of your politicians and military, your country will continue to remain in the middle ages. Frankly, we wouldn't give a flying fvck if not for the innocent Indian lives you were taking in the process. The ethnic cleansing you country and your militants have done in Kashmir is the reason why a referendum can never be held in Kashmir. And once again you lied about how Kashmir was acceded to India. The Hindu Maharaja of Kashmir refused to accede initially and only signed the Instrument of Accession AFTER Pakistan invaded Kashmir in 1947. India has left Pakistan in the dust a long time back. In the years to come the evidence of Pakistan's failure as a nation will only increase. But you have not realized your failures when your government was repeatedly usurped by internal military powers. I don't expect you to come to your senses any soon. You have regressed so far that your measure for success is now on a different scale all together. The heart-lung machine known as the US will be unplugged one day, like it was after the collapse of the Sovient Union. Let's see how far Islamic fundamentalism will take your country then.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: raildogg
China is great compared to India? GREAT?!!!

Oh yes, they are great because they are killing of Tibetans in their homeland. Because they have driven many out of Tibet and into other places, many went to India. You got no freedom whatsoever. Disease, corruption, disproportionate wealth distribution and no right to protest. But the wealth is in the hands of a few, and for that China is great. But I will say one thing, China has done a great job in cracking down on its muslim extremism problem, which I will give big thumbs up to.

India on the other hand is relatively impoverished but has great potential to be a super power in a few decades. There is mass corruption in India and lots of smaller parts of the country seem distant from the government in New Dehli, so that could be a problem. Then there is the problem of over-population, which could be good or bad, or both. It certainly gives India a large workforce. There is religious conflict in India, which is harder to deal with since India is a open democracy unlikel China. You can fight terrorists much more easily in a dictatorship like China or Pakistan, but in a open society like India, it is much more difficult.

Also, yes a military coup does mean failure and a democracy does mean success. This is not true of all cases, but for India and Pakistan, this does seem to be the case. One is a country run by military gangsters who had a opportunity to come to power and take complete control of the country. The other is a huge, vibrant country full of greatness that just needs a bit of fine tuning. It took India many decades to get to where its at today and will take many more for it to realize its potential. I cannot say anything about reaching full potential, however.

LOL - the best part was when Musharraf visited China after 9/11 and addressing Chinese muslims told them that their loyalties should first lie with their country and then with their religion :laugh: Talk about a fvcking hypocrite...

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: sxr7171

I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.

As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.

Well, he was appointed acting chief justice and he mastered in Islamic studies. The question is not about Pakistan's right to choose its form of government, but the impact of choosing poorly. India could've just as well chosen to be a Hindu fundamentalist nation and I bet it would have fared just as poorly as Pakistan. Nepal is a Hindu fundamentalist nation and look where it stands today. Religion cannot offer a rational and objective code of governance. Pakistan failed once when it chose a religious form of governance. It failed again when it didn't protect itself from madcap military dictators. It failed a third time when it made alliances out of common enemity and it continues to fail when it makes pretend alliances out of convenience. There is virtually nothing that Pakistan has got right as a nation-state. Nominating a Hindu as acting Chief Justice scarcely compensates for all those failures.

It is true that a poor choice of government certainly has a negative effect, however that is a choice they made and nothing anybody says will change that choice if they can't realize this for themselves. I completely agree with you that picking a form of government that does not seperate religion and state will always have an uphill battle. If anything both Nepal and Pakistan being smaller and more cohesive should have at least been around where Malaysia or perhaps Thailand is today, but alas that didn't happen. Malaysia is predominantly Muslim and they've done very well for themselves by being more democratic and open.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Sultan
Did evidence EVER come about regarding the Parliment bombing? Except, hahaha, the militants were CARRYING Pakistani passports at the time of attack AND using Pakistan made grenades. Either the Pakistani trained militants are EXTREMELY GOOD at such amazing attacks, or INCREDIBLY DUMB leaving such clear evidences. Take your pick.

...I'll pick dumb, along with murderous and psychotic. You want us to believe an Islamic Fundamentalist Dictatorship over a free Indian press? :roll:

And stop talking about how the Indian team (which incidentally thrashed Pakistan) was received in Pakistan. How about Kris Srikkanth, the Indian captain, being assualted mid-pitch in 1989? How about Saeed Anwar receving a standing ovation in Chennai after his 196? How about the Pakistan team running a victory lap to a standing ovation in Chennai after winning the test by some 15 runs (the one in which Sachin scored 136)? You are a liar, plain and simple. Pakistan is a failed nation in so many ways that is difficult to start counting. How about Musharraf accusing rape victims of bringing it upon themselves? How about the rapists going scot-free every single time? How about Nuclear proliferation? Selling stolen nuclear secrets to the worst regimes in the world like Libya and NK? How low has Pakistan sunk that it can deal with countries like NK and Libya? Yeah, go model yourselves after China :roll: Your statements about secularism and democracy alone provie how successful Pakistan has been as a nation. You've sunk so low that you don't even realize what secularism and democracy mean, leave alone the sham that your constitution claims to protect it - go read the link I provided for Pakistan's constitution. As long as Pakistanis like you idiotically keep defending the failed policies of your politicians and military, your country will continue to remain in the middle ages. Frankly, we wouldn't give a flying fvck if not for the innocent Indian lives you were taking in the process. The ethnic cleansing you country and your militants have done in Kashmir is the reason why a referendum can never be held in Kashmir. And once again you lied about how Kashmir was acceded to India. The Hindu Maharaja of Kashmir refused to accede initially and only signed the Instrument of Accession AFTER Pakistan invaded Kashmir in 1947. India has left Pakistan in the dust a long time back. In the years to come the evidence of Pakistan's failure as a nation will only increase. But you have not realized your failures when your government was repeatedly usurped by internal military powers. I don't expect you to come to your senses any soon. You have regressed so far that your measure for success is now on a different scale all together. The heart-lung machine known as the US will be unplugged one day, like it was after the collapse of the Sovient Union. Let's see how far Islamic fundamentalism will take your country then.

Why stop talking about how the Indian team was received? Not only was the Indian team welcomed with open arms, but so were Pakistan's Indian neighbors. Are you denying this? India won one extra test and one extra one day. Thats not called thrashing. Pakistan beating India 4-2 in the ODIs next year would be considered thrashing By the way, accusing me of being a liar without any proof speaks highly of your argumentative skills :roll:

Rediff.com? HAHAHA. Talk about a neutral source :roll:

The only reference I found to your mentioning Kris Srikkanth incident also states that the following year, at Calcutta, when Pakistan toured India, the stadium had to be evicted :roll: So Indians believe in tit-for-tat, eh?

Ofcourse I recognise how some Indians recognised the Pakistan team and Pakistani players. Infact, hats off to Dravid when he commented on how wonderful it was to have the Pakistan team in India (amidst booing crowds). However, your inferiority complex will never recognise the good treatment metted out by Pakistan on the Indians.

Lets count: Has India punished any rapists in the Gujarat Massacre? How about catching those who raped Phoolan Devi? What is wrong with sharing nuclear technology? Read up on how Israel obtained its nuclear machinery.

Ethnic cleansing in Indian held Kashmir? hahahaha. If Pakistan is that capable, I am surprised it hasnt taken over all of India. You give Pakistan too much credit. Kashmir did accede to India under duress. When tribals from Pakistan went into Kashmir to support the wishes of the Muslim majority, the Maharaja who wanted to stay independant asked for the Governer-General's assistance who stated help will only come if the Instrument of Accession is signed. ALL princely states were to have a REFERENDUM. The Maharaja did not hold as such. HE was at fault. I did not blame the Indians for the incident. Hence, you are the liar, not me.

By the way, your high thoughts about democracy and secularism is just your opinion. And your opinion does not count as fact.

Furthermore, China is far superior than India, hence its model is better than India. I would not proclaim that the model should be adopted by every nation, but your dissing China's model is ridiculous.

I am all for Islamic fundamentalism taking roots in all the Muslim countries. Islam by itself has complete laws pertaining to the governance.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?

Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.

But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.

I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.

Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.

Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.

Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.

There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.

That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.

Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.

And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:

Actually I have no fixation at all with Pakistan, perhaps I had a misunderstanding as you seem to have about India. I have quite a few Muslim friends including some very close ones, 2 of these friends are Pakistani. So I really couldn't give a damn if someone is from Pakistan or not. Sometimes we are led to believe things that are not true from what we hear from people. I wouldn't mind visiting Karachi as I hope you don't mind visiting Delhi, Hyderabad or Bombay. If anything I think I'd enjoy the Haleem out there. A lot can be accomplished if everyone gets these misconceptions out of their heads.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: raildogg
China is great compared to India? GREAT?!!!

Oh yes, they are great because they are killing of Tibetans in their homeland. Because they have driven many out of Tibet and into other places, many went to India. You got no freedom whatsoever. Disease, corruption, disproportionate wealth distribution and no right to protest. But the wealth is in the hands of a few, and for that China is great. But I will say one thing, China has done a great job in cracking down on its muslim extremism problem, which I will give big thumbs up to.

India on the other hand is relatively impoverished but has great potential to be a super power in a few decades. There is mass corruption in India and lots of smaller parts of the country seem distant from the government in New Dehli, so that could be a problem. Then there is the problem of over-population, which could be good or bad, or both. It certainly gives India a large workforce. There is religious conflict in India, which is harder to deal with since India is a open democracy unlikel China. You can fight terrorists much more easily in a dictatorship like China or Pakistan, but in a open society like India, it is much more difficult.

Also, yes a military coup does mean failure and a democracy does mean success. This is not true of all cases, but for India and Pakistan, this does seem to be the case. One is a country run by military gangsters who had a opportunity to come to power and take complete control of the country. The other is a huge, vibrant country full of greatness that just needs a bit of fine tuning. It took India many decades to get to where its at today and will take many more for it to realize its potential. I cannot say anything about reaching full potential, however.

LOL - the best part was when Musharraf visited China after 9/11 and addressing Chinese muslims told them that their loyalties should first lie with their country and then with their religion :laugh: Talk about a fvcking hypocrite...

Thats not what he said. Musharraf stated that Islam itself teaches loyalty to the land you're living in :roll: Talk about pathetically modifying other people's statements.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Sultan
Did evidence EVER come about regarding the Parliment bombing? Except, hahaha, the militants were CARRYING Pakistani passports at the time of attack AND using Pakistan made grenades. Either the Pakistani trained militants are EXTREMELY GOOD at such amazing attacks, or INCREDIBLY DUMB leaving such clear evidences. Take your pick.

...I'll pick dumb, along with murderous and psychotic. You want us to believe an Islamic Fundamentalist Dictatorship over a free Indian press? :roll:

And stop talking about how the Indian team (which incidentally thrashed Pakistan) was received in Pakistan. How about Kris Srikkanth, the Indian captain, being assualted mid-pitch in 1989? How about Saeed Anwar receving a standing ovation in Chennai after his 196? How about the Pakistan team running a victory lap to a standing ovation in Chennai after winning the test by some 15 runs (the one in which Sachin scored 136)? You are a liar, plain and simple. Pakistan is a failed nation in so many ways that is difficult to start counting. How about Musharraf accusing rape victims of bringing it upon themselves? How about the rapists going scot-free every single time? How about Nuclear proliferation? Selling stolen nuclear secrets to the worst regimes in the world like Libya and NK? How low has Pakistan sunk that it can deal with countries like NK and Libya? Yeah, go model yourselves after China :roll: Your statements about secularism and democracy alone provie how successful Pakistan has been as a nation. You've sunk so low that you don't even realize what secularism and democracy mean, leave alone the sham that your constitution claims to protect it - go read the link I provided for Pakistan's constitution. As long as Pakistanis like you idiotically keep defending the failed policies of your politicians and military, your country will continue to remain in the middle ages. Frankly, we wouldn't give a flying fvck if not for the innocent Indian lives you were taking in the process. The ethnic cleansing you country and your militants have done in Kashmir is the reason why a referendum can never be held in Kashmir. And once again you lied about how Kashmir was acceded to India. The Hindu Maharaja of Kashmir refused to accede initially and only signed the Instrument of Accession AFTER Pakistan invaded Kashmir in 1947. India has left Pakistan in the dust a long time back. In the years to come the evidence of Pakistan's failure as a nation will only increase. But you have not realized your failures when your government was repeatedly usurped by internal military powers. I don't expect you to come to your senses any soon. You have regressed so far that your measure for success is now on a different scale all together. The heart-lung machine known as the US will be unplugged one day, like it was after the collapse of the Sovient Union. Let's see how far Islamic fundamentalism will take your country then.

Why stop talking about how the Indian team was received? Not only was the Indian team welcomed with open arms, but so were Pakistan's Indian neighbors. Are you denying this? India won one extra test and one extra one day. Thats not called thrashing. Pakistan beating India 4-2 in the ODIs next year would be considered thrashing By the way, accusing me of being a liar without any proof speaks highly of your argumentative skills :roll:

Rediff.com? HAHAHA. Talk about a neutral source :roll:

The only reference I found to your mentioning Kris Srikkanth incident also states that the following year, at Calcutta, when Pakistan toured India, the stadium had to be evicted :roll: So Indians believe in tit-for-tat, eh?

Ofcourse I recognise how some Indians recognised the Pakistan team and Pakistani players. Infact, hats off to Dravid when he commented on how wonderful it was to have the Pakistan team in India (amidst booing crowds). However, your inferiority complex will never recognise the good treatment metted out by Pakistan on the Indians.

Lets count: Has India punished any rapists in the Gujarat Massacre? How about catching those who raped Phoolan Devi? What is wrong with sharing nuclear technology? Read up on how Israel obtained its nuclear machinery.

Ethnic cleansing in Indian held Kashmir? hahahaha. If Pakistan is that capable, I am surprised it hasnt taken over all of India. You give Pakistan too much credit. Kashmir did accede to India under duress. When tribals from Pakistan went into Kashmir to support the wishes of the Muslim majority, the Maharaja who wanted to stay independant asked for the Governer-General's assistance who stated help will only come if the Instrument of Accession is signed. ALL princely states were to have a REFERENDUM. The Maharaja did not hold as such. HE was at fault. I did not blame the Indians for the incident. Hence, you are the liar, not me.

By the way, your high thoughts about democracy and secularism is just your opinion. And your opinion does not count as fact.

Furthermore, China is far superior than India, hence its model is better than India. I would not proclaim that the model should be adopted by every nation, but your dissing China's model is ridiculous.

I am all for Islamic fundamentalism taking roots in all the Muslim countries. Islam by itself has complete laws pertaining to the governance.

Thats sig worthy right there. Not for anything remotely good though.

I'm all for support of third world movements for freedom that lead to a better world. The world you suggest though, is one filled with seething hatred. I can live without that. You don't speak of any revolution like Che, you speak of bringing us back to an age of medieval hatreds.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?

Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.

But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.

I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.

Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.

Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.

Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.

There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.

That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.

Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.

And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:

Actually I have no fixation at all with Pakistan, perhaps I had a misunderstanding as you seem to have about India. I have quite a few Muslim friends including some very close ones, 2 of these friends are Pakistani. So I really couldn't give a damn if someone is from Pakistan or not. Sometimes we are led to believe things that are not true from what we hear from people. I wouldn't mind visiting Karachi as I hope you don't mind visiting Delhi, Hyderabad or Bombay. If anything I think I'd enjoy the Haleem out there. A lot can be accomplished if everyone gets these misconceptions out of their heads.

No, unlike the Indian misfits here, I harbor no negative feelings against India. I have a lot of family in India. However, I will answer all claims against Muslims or against a Muslim nation by pointing out comparable similarities in the relative country/culture/religion.

I noticed you hardly commented on an Indian Hindus welcome in Pakistan :roll:

No nation is free of faults. Nor the followers of a religion. While the "misfits" attempt to deride my side, I attempt to show that the same exists on their sides. Period.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: raildogg
China is great compared to India? GREAT?!!!

Oh yes, they are great because they are killing of Tibetans in their homeland. Because they have driven many out of Tibet and into other places, many went to India. You got no freedom whatsoever. Disease, corruption, disproportionate wealth distribution and no right to protest. But the wealth is in the hands of a few, and for that China is great. But I will say one thing, China has done a great job in cracking down on its muslim extremism problem, which I will give big thumbs up to.

India on the other hand is relatively impoverished but has great potential to be a super power in a few decades. There is mass corruption in India and lots of smaller parts of the country seem distant from the government in New Dehli, so that could be a problem. Then there is the problem of over-population, which could be good or bad, or both. It certainly gives India a large workforce. There is religious conflict in India, which is harder to deal with since India is a open democracy unlikel China. You can fight terrorists much more easily in a dictatorship like China or Pakistan, but in a open society like India, it is much more difficult.

Also, yes a military coup does mean failure and a democracy does mean success. This is not true of all cases, but for India and Pakistan, this does seem to be the case. One is a country run by military gangsters who had a opportunity to come to power and take complete control of the country. The other is a huge, vibrant country full of greatness that just needs a bit of fine tuning. It took India many decades to get to where its at today and will take many more for it to realize its potential. I cannot say anything about reaching full potential, however.

LOL - the best part was when Musharraf visited China after 9/11 and addressing Chinese muslims told them that their loyalties should first lie with their country and then with their religion :laugh: Talk about a fvcking hypocrite...

Thats not what he said. Musharraf stated that Islam itself teaches loyalty to the land you're living in :roll: Talk about pathetically modifying other people's statements.

He should be saying the same thing to Kashmiris.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Sultan
Did evidence EVER come about regarding the Parliment bombing? Except, hahaha, the militants were CARRYING Pakistani passports at the time of attack AND using Pakistan made grenades. Either the Pakistani trained militants are EXTREMELY GOOD at such amazing attacks, or INCREDIBLY DUMB leaving such clear evidences. Take your pick.

...I'll pick dumb, along with murderous and psychotic. You want us to believe an Islamic Fundamentalist Dictatorship over a free Indian press? :roll:

And stop talking about how the Indian team (which incidentally thrashed Pakistan) was received in Pakistan. How about Kris Srikkanth, the Indian captain, being assualted mid-pitch in 1989? How about Saeed Anwar receving a standing ovation in Chennai after his 196? How about the Pakistan team running a victory lap to a standing ovation in Chennai after winning the test by some 15 runs (the one in which Sachin scored 136)? You are a liar, plain and simple. Pakistan is a failed nation in so many ways that is difficult to start counting. How about Musharraf accusing rape victims of bringing it upon themselves? How about the rapists going scot-free every single time? How about Nuclear proliferation? Selling stolen nuclear secrets to the worst regimes in the world like Libya and NK? How low has Pakistan sunk that it can deal with countries like NK and Libya? Yeah, go model yourselves after China :roll: Your statements about secularism and democracy alone provie how successful Pakistan has been as a nation. You've sunk so low that you don't even realize what secularism and democracy mean, leave alone the sham that your constitution claims to protect it - go read the link I provided for Pakistan's constitution. As long as Pakistanis like you idiotically keep defending the failed policies of your politicians and military, your country will continue to remain in the middle ages. Frankly, we wouldn't give a flying fvck if not for the innocent Indian lives you were taking in the process. The ethnic cleansing you country and your militants have done in Kashmir is the reason why a referendum can never be held in Kashmir. And once again you lied about how Kashmir was acceded to India. The Hindu Maharaja of Kashmir refused to accede initially and only signed the Instrument of Accession AFTER Pakistan invaded Kashmir in 1947. India has left Pakistan in the dust a long time back. In the years to come the evidence of Pakistan's failure as a nation will only increase. But you have not realized your failures when your government was repeatedly usurped by internal military powers. I don't expect you to come to your senses any soon. You have regressed so far that your measure for success is now on a different scale all together. The heart-lung machine known as the US will be unplugged one day, like it was after the collapse of the Sovient Union. Let's see how far Islamic fundamentalism will take your country then.

Why stop talking about how the Indian team was received? Not only was the Indian team welcomed with open arms, but so were Pakistan's Indian neighbors. Are you denying this? India won one extra test and one extra one day. Thats not called thrashing. Pakistan beating India 4-2 in the ODIs next year would be considered thrashing By the way, accusing me of being a liar without any proof speaks highly of your argumentative skills :roll:

Rediff.com? HAHAHA. Talk about a neutral source :roll:

The only reference I found to your mentioning Kris Srikkanth incident also states that the following year, at Calcutta, when Pakistan toured India, the stadium had to be evicted :roll: So Indians believe in tit-for-tat, eh?

Ofcourse I recognise how some Indians recognised the Pakistan team and Pakistani players. Infact, hats off to Dravid when he commented on how wonderful it was to have the Pakistan team in India (amidst booing crowds). However, your inferiority complex will never recognise the good treatment metted out by Pakistan on the Indians.

Lets count: Has India punished any rapists in the Gujarat Massacre? How about catching those who raped Phoolan Devi? What is wrong with sharing nuclear technology? Read up on how Israel obtained its nuclear machinery.

Ethnic cleansing in Indian held Kashmir? hahahaha. If Pakistan is that capable, I am surprised it hasnt taken over all of India. You give Pakistan too much credit. Kashmir did accede to India under duress. When tribals from Pakistan went into Kashmir to support the wishes of the Muslim majority, the Maharaja who wanted to stay independant asked for the Governer-General's assistance who stated help will only come if the Instrument of Accession is signed. ALL princely states were to have a REFERENDUM. The Maharaja did not hold as such. HE was at fault. I did not blame the Indians for the incident. Hence, you are the liar, not me.

By the way, your high thoughts about democracy and secularism is just your opinion. And your opinion does not count as fact.

Furthermore, China is far superior than India, hence its model is better than India. I would not proclaim that the model should be adopted by every nation, but your dissing China's model is ridiculous.

I am all for Islamic fundamentalism taking roots in all the Muslim countries. Islam by itself has complete laws pertaining to the governance.

Thats sig worthy right there. Not for anything remotely good though.

I'm all for support of third world movements for freedom that lead to a better world. The world you suggest though, is one filled with seething hatred. I can live without that. You don't speak of any revolution like Che, you speak of bringing us back to an age of medieval hatreds.

Go ahead please. I happen to believe an Islamic fundamentalist government properly implemented would be less corrupt, safeguard rights and improve lives of the citizens.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: raildogg
China is great compared to India? GREAT?!!!

Oh yes, they are great because they are killing of Tibetans in their homeland. Because they have driven many out of Tibet and into other places, many went to India. You got no freedom whatsoever. Disease, corruption, disproportionate wealth distribution and no right to protest. But the wealth is in the hands of a few, and for that China is great. But I will say one thing, China has done a great job in cracking down on its muslim extremism problem, which I will give big thumbs up to.

India on the other hand is relatively impoverished but has great potential to be a super power in a few decades. There is mass corruption in India and lots of smaller parts of the country seem distant from the government in New Dehli, so that could be a problem. Then there is the problem of over-population, which could be good or bad, or both. It certainly gives India a large workforce. There is religious conflict in India, which is harder to deal with since India is a open democracy unlikel China. You can fight terrorists much more easily in a dictatorship like China or Pakistan, but in a open society like India, it is much more difficult.

Also, yes a military coup does mean failure and a democracy does mean success. This is not true of all cases, but for India and Pakistan, this does seem to be the case. One is a country run by military gangsters who had a opportunity to come to power and take complete control of the country. The other is a huge, vibrant country full of greatness that just needs a bit of fine tuning. It took India many decades to get to where its at today and will take many more for it to realize its potential. I cannot say anything about reaching full potential, however.

LOL - the best part was when Musharraf visited China after 9/11 and addressing Chinese muslims told them that their loyalties should first lie with their country and then with their religion :laugh: Talk about a fvcking hypocrite...

Thats not what he said. Musharraf stated that Islam itself teaches loyalty to the land you're living in :roll: Talk about pathetically modifying other people's statements.

He should be saying the same thing to Kashmiris.

Not unless he contests that Kashmir is NOT part of India.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: raildogg
China is great compared to India? GREAT?!!!

Oh yes, they are great because they are killing of Tibetans in their homeland. Because they have driven many out of Tibet and into other places, many went to India. You got no freedom whatsoever. Disease, corruption, disproportionate wealth distribution and no right to protest. But the wealth is in the hands of a few, and for that China is great. But I will say one thing, China has done a great job in cracking down on its muslim extremism problem, which I will give big thumbs up to.

India on the other hand is relatively impoverished but has great potential to be a super power in a few decades. There is mass corruption in India and lots of smaller parts of the country seem distant from the government in New Dehli, so that could be a problem. Then there is the problem of over-population, which could be good or bad, or both. It certainly gives India a large workforce. There is religious conflict in India, which is harder to deal with since India is a open democracy unlikel China. You can fight terrorists much more easily in a dictatorship like China or Pakistan, but in a open society like India, it is much more difficult.

Also, yes a military coup does mean failure and a democracy does mean success. This is not true of all cases, but for India and Pakistan, this does seem to be the case. One is a country run by military gangsters who had a opportunity to come to power and take complete control of the country. The other is a huge, vibrant country full of greatness that just needs a bit of fine tuning. It took India many decades to get to where its at today and will take many more for it to realize its potential. I cannot say anything about reaching full potential, however.

LOL - the best part was when Musharraf visited China after 9/11 and addressing Chinese muslims told them that their loyalties should first lie with their country and then with their religion :laugh: Talk about a fvcking hypocrite...

Thats not what he said. Musharraf stated that Islam itself teaches loyalty to the land you're living in :roll: Talk about pathetically modifying other people's statements.

He should be saying the same thing to Kashmiris.

Not unless he contests that Kashmir is NOT part of India.

Kashmir has been part of India since time immemorial according to the Vedas. This current turbulence will not lead to its accesion.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: computeerrgghh

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi
Proletariat, ignore this troll. He is simply digressing from the topic to make himself and Pakistan look good in the eyes of his American overlords :laugh: If anything, I only feel sorry for him. Pakistan's survival depends on how many orgasms it can give to the US.

When one of the misfits fail to respond intelligently, the only option is to accuse of trolling. Its ok Bro, I know your inferiority complex has severely affected your psyche. I hope that you can come out of it.

Inferiority complex? To what?

India is a vibrant, developing democracy. Pakistan is a failed military state. I don't understand why any country in Asia, Europe or NA would be jealous of Pakistan or its neighbors Afghanistan and Iran.

If there was no inferiority complex, Indians would look to their own developments and not look at their "failed military" neighbor state. Just the fact that all of the Indian idiots on the forum here are fixated on Pakistan is sufficient to show your inferiority complex.

And hey, did I not embarrass you just a few posts ago? You have some gall to present the face of the vibrant, developing democracy where the two main religions cannot coexist in a, what you call, SECULAR environment, and the dominant religion massacres, rapes and pillages thousands of Muslims.

Maybe if you stopped bombing their country and stopped producing terrorists they wouldn't be fixated on it. So far it seems as if the Indians on this forum have a far better grasp of ideas and the English language than you or your friend Javed.

Maybe if you stopped pointing accusatory fingers and took care of your own problems, you would have a better idea what is going on in YOUR country. Who destroyed the Ayodhya mosque? Who massacred the Gujarat Muslims? Who massacred the Sikhs in Operation Bluestar? All that YOU Indians know what to do is point fingers.

And dissing me on my command over English Language? Very classy, I feel so hurt :roll:
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sala kuttey da wacha

Talking about someone hating another, you seem fixated on insulting Proletariat who you thought was an Indian until he said he was white. Talk about hypocrisy. As for class, I like your sig which I have included/quoted for proof. Very classy and even ironic considering that its in Hindi. As for bluestar thats in the past. We can all name numerous massacres from old regimes and political thought but that has nothing to do for now. As for fixating about Pakistan harboring terrorists, what do you have to say about Sheikh Rashid Ahmed and Yasin Malik? You know why Indians are fixated on Pakistan? Cause Pakistan is letting terrorist leak into Kashmir and killing our people. My uncle was fcking pulled out of his bank and beaten by terrorists in Sri Nagar and left on the street to die. The women in my cousin's family were fvcking burned alive in their house while the men were butchered and the children brutally murdered and the women abducted. You want to know about fixation, how about a fixation of fear. In prodominantly muslim parts of Kashmir, there used to be 15% Hindus. Now there are .1%. You named 3 relatively minor incidents compared to the constant fear, death, and murder Indians living in Kashmir must face. Thats why there is a fixation and until you open your eyes are realize what Pakistani terrorists are doing, you will never understand. You will just be another ignorant person twidding his thumbs.

Hello? You seem to have trouble comprehending English. I only insulted his foolishness and ignorance, to which I have provided ample evidence. And Proletariat is some white dude who has a keen awareness of the major newspapers of India. :roll: There's no hypocrisy in that. The hypocrisy is you commenting without reading through all the posts.

And what does my sig have to do with the discussion in hand? By the way, its in Punjabi, not Hindi. Maybe I should insult you for your ignorant comments as well.

If the 500,000+ Indian troops IN Kashmir cannot stop the "terrorists" coming into Kashmir, how can Pakistan's army which in TOTAL is 500,000. Instead of blaming Pakistan on letting "terrorists" leak, why doesnt INDIA strengthen its own border defences? Talk about pointing accusatory fingers :roll: Thats for your Kashmir comment.

As for why there are fewer Hindus in Kashmir now, blame India's government for not doing enough to protect them. I personally know a Kashmiri from Sri Nagar who attends the mosque. He doesnt seem to concur with you and does not mention any "terrorism".

Last I head, Shaikh Rashid Ahmad is Pakistan's Information Minister Rashid Ahmad and last I head Yasin Malik is a member of the JKLF, a political organization. Just because the latter speaks of freedom does not imply he's a terrorist. :roll:

you're right, india is supposed to watch pakistani terrorists cause pakistan cant do it itself.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: sxr7171

I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.

As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.

Well, he was appointed acting chief justice and he mastered in Islamic studies. The question is not about Pakistan's right to choose its form of government, but the impact of choosing poorly. India could've just as well chosen to be a Hindu fundamentalist nation and I bet it would have fared just as poorly as Pakistan. Nepal is a Hindu fundamentalist nation and look where it stands today. Religion cannot offer a rational and objective code of governance. Pakistan failed once when it chose a religious form of governance. It failed again when it didn't protect itself from madcap military dictators. It failed a third time when it made alliances out of common enemity and it continues to fail when it makes pretend alliances out of convenience. There is virtually nothing that Pakistan has got right as a nation-state. Nominating a Hindu as acting Chief Justice scarcely compensates for all those failures.

This is all conjecture and your opinion. Pakistan is surviving well. Its economy is progressing at over 5%. Thats fairly good. By what standards do you actually proclaim Pakistan is a failed state? Pakistan is a country, it exists. Period. Failed state? This is just logical fallacy :roll:

Oh, Pakistan is a wonderful success. I mean its not like Pakistan had a military coup or anything... in fact, I believe that Pakistan has a vibrant democracy and has a rich and diverse political spectrum that represents all sections of society. Its not like the leader of Pakistan has been promising democratic elections for years or years or anything...

Why is democracy = success? And why is military coup = failure? Could you like explain that concept? China is not a democracy, it is far more successful than "democratic" India. Still no explanation as to what constitutes Pakistan to be a failure. :roll:

china is only successful over india is the manufacturing aspect...in terms of human rights and various other humanistic aspects, india towers over china.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: raildogg
China is great compared to India? GREAT?!!!

Oh yes, they are great because they are killing of Tibetans in their homeland. Because they have driven many out of Tibet and into other places, many went to India. You got no freedom whatsoever. Disease, corruption, disproportionate wealth distribution and no right to protest. But the wealth is in the hands of a few, and for that China is great. But I will say one thing, China has done a great job in cracking down on its muslim extremism problem, which I will give big thumbs up to.

India on the other hand is relatively impoverished but has great potential to be a super power in a few decades. There is mass corruption in India and lots of smaller parts of the country seem distant from the government in New Dehli, so that could be a problem. Then there is the problem of over-population, which could be good or bad, or both. It certainly gives India a large workforce. There is religious conflict in India, which is harder to deal with since India is a open democracy unlikel China. You can fight terrorists much more easily in a dictatorship like China or Pakistan, but in a open society like India, it is much more difficult.

Also, yes a military coup does mean failure and a democracy does mean success. This is not true of all cases, but for India and Pakistan, this does seem to be the case. One is a country run by military gangsters who had a opportunity to come to power and take complete control of the country. The other is a huge, vibrant country full of greatness that just needs a bit of fine tuning. It took India many decades to get to where its at today and will take many more for it to realize its potential. I cannot say anything about reaching full potential, however.

LOL - the best part was when Musharraf visited China after 9/11 and addressing Chinese muslims told them that their loyalties should first lie with their country and then with their religion :laugh: Talk about a fvcking hypocrite...

Thats not what he said. Musharraf stated that Islam itself teaches loyalty to the land you're living in :roll: Talk about pathetically modifying other people's statements.

He should be saying the same thing to Kashmiris.

Not unless he contests that Kashmir is NOT part of India.

Kashmir has been part of India since time immemorial according to the Vedas. This current turbulence will not lead to its accesion.

hahahaha. Chalk one more for the ignorant foolish comment

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: computeerrgghh

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi
Proletariat, ignore this troll. He is simply digressing from the topic to make himself and Pakistan look good in the eyes of his American overlords :laugh: If anything, I only feel sorry for him. Pakistan's survival depends on how many orgasms it can give to the US.

When one of the misfits fail to respond intelligently, the only option is to accuse of trolling. Its ok Bro, I know your inferiority complex has severely affected your psyche. I hope that you can come out of it.

Inferiority complex? To what?

India is a vibrant, developing democracy. Pakistan is a failed military state. I don't understand why any country in Asia, Europe or NA would be jealous of Pakistan or its neighbors Afghanistan and Iran.

If there was no inferiority complex, Indians would look to their own developments and not look at their "failed military" neighbor state. Just the fact that all of the Indian idiots on the forum here are fixated on Pakistan is sufficient to show your inferiority complex.

And hey, did I not embarrass you just a few posts ago? You have some gall to present the face of the vibrant, developing democracy where the two main religions cannot coexist in a, what you call, SECULAR environment, and the dominant religion massacres, rapes and pillages thousands of Muslims.

Maybe if you stopped bombing their country and stopped producing terrorists they wouldn't be fixated on it. So far it seems as if the Indians on this forum have a far better grasp of ideas and the English language than you or your friend Javed.

Maybe if you stopped pointing accusatory fingers and took care of your own problems, you would have a better idea what is going on in YOUR country. Who destroyed the Ayodhya mosque? Who massacred the Gujarat Muslims? Who massacred the Sikhs in Operation Bluestar? All that YOU Indians know what to do is point fingers.

And dissing me on my command over English Language? Very classy, I feel so hurt :roll:
-------------------------
sala kuttey da wacha

Talking about someone hating another, you seem fixated on insulting Proletariat who you thought was an Indian until he said he was white. Talk about hypocrisy. As for class, I like your sig which I have included/quoted for proof. Very classy and even ironic considering that its in Hindi. As for bluestar thats in the past. We can all name numerous massacres from old regimes and political thought but that has nothing to do for now. As for fixating about Pakistan harboring terrorists, what do you have to say about Sheikh Rashid Ahmed and Yasin Malik? You know why Indians are fixated on Pakistan? Cause Pakistan is letting terrorist leak into Kashmir and killing our people. My uncle was fcking pulled out of his bank and beaten by terrorists in Sri Nagar and left on the street to die. The women in my cousin's family were fvcking burned alive in their house while the men were butchered and the children brutally murdered and the women abducted. You want to know about fixation, how about a fixation of fear. In prodominantly muslim parts of Kashmir, there used to be 15% Hindus. Now there are .1%. You named 3 relatively minor incidents compared to the constant fear, death, and murder Indians living in Kashmir must face. Thats why there is a fixation and until you open your eyes are realize what Pakistani terrorists are doing, you will never understand. You will just be another ignorant person twidding his thumbs.

Hello? You seem to have trouble comprehending English. I only insulted his foolishness and ignorance, to which I have provided ample evidence. And Proletariat is some white dude who has a keen awareness of the major newspapers of India. :roll: There's no hypocrisy in that. The hypocrisy is you commenting without reading through all the posts.

And what does my sig have to do with the discussion in hand? By the way, its in Punjabi, not Hindi. Maybe I should insult you for your ignorant comments as well.

If the 500,000+ Indian troops IN Kashmir cannot stop the "terrorists" coming into Kashmir, how can Pakistan's army which in TOTAL is 500,000. Instead of blaming Pakistan on letting "terrorists" leak, why doesnt INDIA strengthen its own border defences? Talk about pointing accusatory fingers :roll: Thats for your Kashmir comment.

As for why there are fewer Hindus in Kashmir now, blame India's government for not doing enough to protect them. I personally know a Kashmiri from Sri Nagar who attends the mosque. He doesnt seem to concur with you and does not mention any "terrorism".

Last I head, Shaikh Rashid Ahmad is Pakistan's Information Minister Rashid Ahmad and last I head Yasin Malik is a member of the JKLF, a political organization. Just because the latter speaks of freedom does not imply he's a terrorist. :roll:

you're right, india is supposed to watch pakistani terrorists cause pakistan cant do it itself.

Agreed. Pakistan cant even manage to watch over the Pakistani terrorists committing terrorism in Pakistan itself

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?

Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.

But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.

I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.

Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.

Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.

Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.

There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.

That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.

Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.

And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:

Actually I have no fixation at all with Pakistan, perhaps I had a misunderstanding as you seem to have about India. I have quite a few Muslim friends including some very close ones, 2 of these friends are Pakistani. So I really couldn't give a damn if someone is from Pakistan or not. Sometimes we are led to believe things that are not true from what we hear from people. I wouldn't mind visiting Karachi as I hope you don't mind visiting Delhi, Hyderabad or Bombay. If anything I think I'd enjoy the Haleem out there. A lot can be accomplished if everyone gets these misconceptions out of their heads.

No, unlike the Indian misfits here, I harbor no negative feelings against India. I have a lot of family in India. However, I will answer all claims against Muslims or against a Muslim nation by pointing out comparable similarities in the relative country/culture/religion.

I noticed you hardly commented on an Indian Hindus welcome in Pakistan :roll:

No nation is free of faults. Nor the followers of a religion. While the "misfits" attempt to deride my side, I attempt to show that the same exists on their sides. Period.

Why do you give me the roll eyes so fast? I hadn't read it at the time. I just read it and I'm happy to note and change my misconception of Pakistan. It was a refreshing read from what I'm used to hearing.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: sxr7171

I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.

As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.

Well, he was appointed acting chief justice and he mastered in Islamic studies. The question is not about Pakistan's right to choose its form of government, but the impact of choosing poorly. India could've just as well chosen to be a Hindu fundamentalist nation and I bet it would have fared just as poorly as Pakistan. Nepal is a Hindu fundamentalist nation and look where it stands today. Religion cannot offer a rational and objective code of governance. Pakistan failed once when it chose a religious form of governance. It failed again when it didn't protect itself from madcap military dictators. It failed a third time when it made alliances out of common enemity and it continues to fail when it makes pretend alliances out of convenience. There is virtually nothing that Pakistan has got right as a nation-state. Nominating a Hindu as acting Chief Justice scarcely compensates for all those failures.

This is all conjecture and your opinion. Pakistan is surviving well. Its economy is progressing at over 5%. Thats fairly good. By what standards do you actually proclaim Pakistan is a failed state? Pakistan is a country, it exists. Period. Failed state? This is just logical fallacy :roll:

Oh, Pakistan is a wonderful success. I mean its not like Pakistan had a military coup or anything... in fact, I believe that Pakistan has a vibrant democracy and has a rich and diverse political spectrum that represents all sections of society. Its not like the leader of Pakistan has been promising democratic elections for years or years or anything...

Why is democracy = success? And why is military coup = failure? Could you like explain that concept? China is not a democracy, it is far more successful than "democratic" India. Still no explanation as to what constitutes Pakistan to be a failure. :roll:

china is only successful over india is the manufacturing aspect...in terms of human rights and various other humanistic aspects, india towers over china.

And how do you make such a claim? Any foundations? Proof? Evidence? Or just state your opinion as fact? :roll:

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?

Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.

But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.

I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.

Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.

Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.

Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.

There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.

That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.

Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.

And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:

Actually I have no fixation at all with Pakistan, perhaps I had a misunderstanding as you seem to have about India. I have quite a few Muslim friends including some very close ones, 2 of these friends are Pakistani. So I really couldn't give a damn if someone is from Pakistan or not. Sometimes we are led to believe things that are not true from what we hear from people. I wouldn't mind visiting Karachi as I hope you don't mind visiting Delhi, Hyderabad or Bombay. If anything I think I'd enjoy the Haleem out there. A lot can be accomplished if everyone gets these misconceptions out of their heads.

No, unlike the Indian misfits here, I harbor no negative feelings against India. I have a lot of family in India. However, I will answer all claims against Muslims or against a Muslim nation by pointing out comparable similarities in the relative country/culture/religion.

I noticed you hardly commented on an Indian Hindus welcome in Pakistan :roll:

No nation is free of faults. Nor the followers of a religion. While the "misfits" attempt to deride my side, I attempt to show that the same exists on their sides. Period.

Why do you give me the roll eyes so fast? I hadn't read it at the time. I just read it and I'm happy to note and change my misconception of Pakistan. It was a refreshing read from what I'm used to hearing.

My apologies. Glad to clear up a misconception.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?

Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.

But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.

I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.

Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.

Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.

Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.

There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.

That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.

Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.

And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:

Actually I have no fixation at all with Pakistan, perhaps I had a misunderstanding as you seem to have about India. I have quite a few Muslim friends including some very close ones, 2 of these friends are Pakistani. So I really couldn't give a damn if someone is from Pakistan or not. Sometimes we are led to believe things that are not true from what we hear from people. I wouldn't mind visiting Karachi as I hope you don't mind visiting Delhi, Hyderabad or Bombay. If anything I think I'd enjoy the Haleem out there. A lot can be accomplished if everyone gets these misconceptions out of their heads.

No, unlike the Indian misfits here, I harbor no negative feelings against India. I have a lot of family in India. However, I will answer all claims against Muslims or against a Muslim nation by pointing out comparable similarities in the relative country/culture/religion.

I noticed you hardly commented on an Indian Hindus welcome in Pakistan :roll:

No nation is free of faults. Nor the followers of a religion. While the "misfits" attempt to deride my side, I attempt to show that the same exists on their sides. Period.

Why do you give me the roll eyes so fast? I hadn't read it at the time. I just read it and I'm happy to note and change my misconception of Pakistan. It was a refreshing read from what I'm used to hearing.

You do realize this guy is preaching Islamic fundamentalism right? Gain some confidence.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: sxr7171

I have to admit in all honesty that I was unaware of the fact that there was an appointed Hindu Supreme Court Justice in Pakistan. As for the fact that they run on completely Islamic laws, it is their right to do so. It is surprising that a Hindu would choose to be a judge in that environment, but it was his choice and the fact that he got so far changes a lot of my beliefs about how things are in Pakistan.

As for India, many unfortunate things have happened there but really we are not happy about it. India is a secular democracy and everbody should be allowed to peacefully co-exist there.

Well, he was appointed acting chief justice and he mastered in Islamic studies. The question is not about Pakistan's right to choose its form of government, but the impact of choosing poorly. India could've just as well chosen to be a Hindu fundamentalist nation and I bet it would have fared just as poorly as Pakistan. Nepal is a Hindu fundamentalist nation and look where it stands today. Religion cannot offer a rational and objective code of governance. Pakistan failed once when it chose a religious form of governance. It failed again when it didn't protect itself from madcap military dictators. It failed a third time when it made alliances out of common enemity and it continues to fail when it makes pretend alliances out of convenience. There is virtually nothing that Pakistan has got right as a nation-state. Nominating a Hindu as acting Chief Justice scarcely compensates for all those failures.

This is all conjecture and your opinion. Pakistan is surviving well. Its economy is progressing at over 5%. Thats fairly good. By what standards do you actually proclaim Pakistan is a failed state? Pakistan is a country, it exists. Period. Failed state? This is just logical fallacy :roll:

Oh, Pakistan is a wonderful success. I mean its not like Pakistan had a military coup or anything... in fact, I believe that Pakistan has a vibrant democracy and has a rich and diverse political spectrum that represents all sections of society. Its not like the leader of Pakistan has been promising democratic elections for years or years or anything...

Why is democracy = success? And why is military coup = failure? Could you like explain that concept? China is not a democracy, it is far more successful than "democratic" India. Still no explanation as to what constitutes Pakistan to be a failure. :roll:

china is only successful over india is the manufacturing aspect...in terms of human rights and various other humanistic aspects, india towers over china.

And how do you make such a claim? Any foundations? Proof? Evidence? Or just state your opinion as fact? :roll:

well since its obvious no proof will be enough for you, i'll say that India is not close to china is manufacturing. However, in India, one has the right to protest...not the case in china...one also has the right to an acutal vote, not one that just results in the useless vote of someone who is already picked to head the govt. These are the fundamentals of democracy, which is something that a fundamentalist like you wouldnt understand, so lets just say that India is not like china and I for one am totally happy that I can sacrifice the production of some nikes to have a say in how my country will progess.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?

Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.

But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.

I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.

Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.

Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.

Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.

There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.

That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.

Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.

And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:

Actually I have no fixation at all with Pakistan, perhaps I had a misunderstanding as you seem to have about India. I have quite a few Muslim friends including some very close ones, 2 of these friends are Pakistani. So I really couldn't give a damn if someone is from Pakistan or not. Sometimes we are led to believe things that are not true from what we hear from people. I wouldn't mind visiting Karachi as I hope you don't mind visiting Delhi, Hyderabad or Bombay. If anything I think I'd enjoy the Haleem out there. A lot can be accomplished if everyone gets these misconceptions out of their heads.

No, unlike the Indian misfits here, I harbor no negative feelings against India. I have a lot of family in India. However, I will answer all claims against Muslims or against a Muslim nation by pointing out comparable similarities in the relative country/culture/religion.

I noticed you hardly commented on an Indian Hindus welcome in Pakistan :roll:

No nation is free of faults. Nor the followers of a religion. While the "misfits" attempt to deride my side, I attempt to show that the same exists on their sides. Period.

Why do you give me the roll eyes so fast? I hadn't read it at the time. I just read it and I'm happy to note and change my misconception of Pakistan. It was a refreshing read from what I'm used to hearing.

You do realize this guy is preaching Islamic fundamentalism right? Gain some confidence.

You can continue your hate speech against Islamic form of governments. Fundamentalism with its negative connotation is an invention of people like you. Fundamentalism just means belief in the fundamentals of the religion. I dont see how that can be anything other than positive.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?

Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.

But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.

I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.

Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.

Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.

Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.

There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.

That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.

Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.

And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:

Actually I have no fixation at all with Pakistan, perhaps I had a misunderstanding as you seem to have about India. I have quite a few Muslim friends including some very close ones, 2 of these friends are Pakistani. So I really couldn't give a damn if someone is from Pakistan or not. Sometimes we are led to believe things that are not true from what we hear from people. I wouldn't mind visiting Karachi as I hope you don't mind visiting Delhi, Hyderabad or Bombay. If anything I think I'd enjoy the Haleem out there. A lot can be accomplished if everyone gets these misconceptions out of their heads.

No, unlike the Indian misfits here, I harbor no negative feelings against India. I have a lot of family in India. However, I will answer all claims against Muslims or against a Muslim nation by pointing out comparable similarities in the relative country/culture/religion.

I noticed you hardly commented on an Indian Hindus welcome in Pakistan :roll:

No nation is free of faults. Nor the followers of a religion. While the "misfits" attempt to deride my side, I attempt to show that the same exists on their sides. Period.

Why do you give me the roll eyes so fast? I hadn't read it at the time. I just read it and I'm happy to note and change my misconception of Pakistan. It was a refreshing read from what I'm used to hearing.

You do realize this guy is preaching Islamic fundamentalism right? Gain some confidence.

You can continue your hate speech against Islamic form of governments. Fundamentalism with its negative connotation is an invention of people like you. Fundamentalism just means belief in the fundamentals of the religion. I dont see how that can be anything other than positive.

well for a start its a negative when the majority of the religion doesnt beleive in womens rights...


no religious fundamentalist govt can lead to a good govt because then religious prejeducieses and ideas would be infilitrated in every desicion...for example george bush and the stem cell research ban or the nonsensical ban against gay marriage. If you believe that there shouldnt be a seperation between church and state, then my friend, you are beyond help...may allah accept you cause he sure as hell doesnt accept a religious govt thats for sure.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Sultan

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Jave

Originally posted by: raildogg
Pakistan is basically America's poodle in the war on terror. Little does America know that Pakistan in fact is its #1 enemy and the cause of 9/11 in the first place. But short term gains are often put ahead of long term gains. Why are we going after Iran's nuclear program when a radicalized muslim country like Pakistan already has nukes? What if muslim extremists get a hold of these weapons?

Even Pakistan's leaders have said in the past that they will use nuclear weapons against India in a first strike. That will mean total obliteration of Pakistan by India, but these people are a bit twisted in the head. I really do believe that the attacks on the Indian parliament a few months after 9/11 were coordinated by Pakistan's ISI and these new attacks were likely the same.

But yes, Pakistan is America's ally.

I agree with you on this one "Pakistan is basically America's poodle", whether its war on terror or war against USSR or any other element of US policy. Thats where I wish Pakistan would adapt a policy to take care of its own people first rather than pleasing or following US foreign policy.
Regarding Pakistan using nukes first, only one Indian nuke would be enough to evaporate entire Pakistan but Pakistan can only do some damage. So, the argument of Pakistan using nuke first is just propaganda.
Indian has been supporting seperatists in Pakistan for years, they trained and supported and sided with Russia. India needs to give the People of Kashmir the right to choose according to the UN resolutions they agreed to. But again they are master of propganda just like Nixon said.

Kashmir will side with India and the sanatana dharma.

Secularism will always defeat the forces of Religious fascism.

Then what are they afraid of. Let the People of Kashmir decide and put an end to this terrorism.

There is no such thing as "Secularism", may be a fancy word. I in reality "Might (or its sidekick) is always right." India will always have Laws which will blindly favor the majority religion, just like Pakistan.

That's why they have reservation (similar to affirmative action) for minorities in India; Muslims and Christians are part of it. That's also why Muslims have at least as much representation in legislative bodies as they have in population. That's also why they allow Muslims to have their own courts according to Islamic law. It's also why Muslims are so prosperous in India when it comes to industry and land ownership. Muslims were basically given land to get a headstart in India after partition. India is a democracy and not a thinly disguised theocracy. I'd like to see what kind of warm welcome Hindus get in Pakistan.

Another misfit who is fixated by Pakistan. I hope the following is SOME evidence of how Indians were received in Pakistan: An Indian's travel to Pakistan in 2004.

And lets not forget how Pakistan was received in India in 2005, with stones being hurled at the cricket team's bus :roll:

Actually I have no fixation at all with Pakistan, perhaps I had a misunderstanding as you seem to have about India. I have quite a few Muslim friends including some very close ones, 2 of these friends are Pakistani. So I really couldn't give a damn if someone is from Pakistan or not. Sometimes we are led to believe things that are not true from what we hear from people. I wouldn't mind visiting Karachi as I hope you don't mind visiting Delhi, Hyderabad or Bombay. If anything I think I'd enjoy the Haleem out there. A lot can be accomplished if everyone gets these misconceptions out of their heads.

No, unlike the Indian misfits here, I harbor no negative feelings against India. I have a lot of family in India. However, I will answer all claims against Muslims or against a Muslim nation by pointing out comparable similarities in the relative country/culture/religion.

I noticed you hardly commented on an Indian Hindus welcome in Pakistan :roll:

No nation is free of faults. Nor the followers of a religion. While the "misfits" attempt to deride my side, I attempt to show that the same exists on their sides. Period.

Why do you give me the roll eyes so fast? I hadn't read it at the time. I just read it and I'm happy to note and change my misconception of Pakistan. It was a refreshing read from what I'm used to hearing.

You do realize this guy is preaching Islamic fundamentalism right? Gain some confidence.

I seriously think it is time for both sides to step back and look at where our own faults are before automatically blaming the other side first. I don't want to repeat an oft-repeated cliche but I am forced to: "it takes 2 hands to make a clap."


The thing with religion that is dangerous (and this applies to every religion) is that it tends to get corrupted and bent and misused by greedy people who stand to gain from that corruption. It happens in Christianity, Islam and even in Hinduism. If people went back to their Holy Books and actually read it I'm sure every religion says basically the same thing. I think that if take any religion in it's pure form and model a society around it, it will be a good society. This is because every religion in its pure form preaches religious tolerance.