Tesla Cybertruck

[Kaido]

This kind of contradicts your early point about average driving being about 37 mi/day. Slow level 1 charging at home would easily provide anyone with an electric outlet at their parking spot more than enough range for their daily driving.

I feel like this is more a limitation for single-car households or those without any electric outlet near their parking spot. If you're a multicar households, buy an electric and keep the gas car for the rare times you need that more extreme distance.

That's my problem...I rent & park outside. They do have garages available for rent, but the infrastructure is too old to support EV charging, so they have no plans to upgrade the electrical layout for the few people who want an EV, which means I'd have to be totally dependent on public chargers & charging at customer locations (most of my customers have on-site EV charging at this point). But being dependent on charging away from home seems scary to me lol.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Oh yeah if you don't have the option to run power to have your own charger then an EV won't really be convinient. I wouldn't want to rely on public chargers. From everything I seen in Youtube videos on EVs the public chargers are actually quite annoying to use. It rarely just works the first time. If you're not fiddling around with your phone to try to get the stupid app to work and sync etc, you're dealing with a charger that is plain not working, or out of order etc. There's always something. They really need to fix this. IMO they need to work like a gas pump, you should be able to pull up, plug in, insert a credit card, and it starts charging. No app BS or anything like that. They all should work this way. Perhaps they could also have a QR code scanner, so if say, Tesla, gives you free charging, you would scan a QR code.

 

[rstrohkirch]

I can explain why a family wouldn't want a big truck as a primary vehicle but I feel like it should be pretty obvious.

As can I. Yet I'm not posting pictures of 2 seat commercial cargo vans as an alternative to a residential vehicle. At least put a /s somewhere so we know you're not being serious.

 

[WelshBloke]

As can I. Yet I'm not posting pictures of 2 seat commercial cargo vans as an alternative to a residential vehicle. At least put a /s somewhere so we know you're not being serious.

You can get those vans with two rows of seats that seat 5.

 

[rstrohkirch]

You can get those vans with two rows of seats that seat 5.

You can, they are crew vans. They are still work vans. They do not have the comfort, amenities or rear passenger safety of a residential vehicle in it's price range. They cost 50k+ base which means they are the same price as truck and they are actually larger in overall size.

Trucks are popular because they roll up a lot of capability into one vehicle. They offer 2 seats up to a family acceptable cabin size, acceptable to high end interior, more load capacity than a standard car/suv/mini van, more towing capacity then other non truck framed vehicles along with multiple options to facilitate towing, RW and 4W drive trains, more ground clearance than typical vehicles and multiple box sizes to adjust the size to your expected needs. The engine options have gotten better over the years as have the gross vehicle weights which means they can average 20+ MPG now without towing. They have high residuals which means they lease well and hold their value over longer periods than most vehicles for people who want to own. You can easily buy locking folding bed covers that in most areas of the country don't present theft or bed content exposure risks.

The negatives to trucks is that they cost more money than other vehicles of similar interior space(though residual value changes that a bit), they still don't get comparable MPG to the aforementioned vehicles and they are generally larger which means they're inconvenient in tight spaces(which generally isn't much of a concern across the US).

Trucks are very popular around here and generally the reasons are: towing and bed use. Yes there are people who drive trucks who never tow and never use the bed. Those people are usually individuals who use to need a truck but don't now. But they will always own a truck.

 

[Kaido]

Oh yeah if you don't have the option to run power to have your own charger then an EV won't really be convinient. I wouldn't want to rely on public chargers. From everything I seen in Youtube videos on EVs the public chargers are actually quite annoying to use. It rarely just works the first time. If you're not fiddling around with your phone to try to get the stupid app to work and sync etc, you're dealing with a charger that is plain not working, or out of order etc. There's always something. They really need to fix this. IMO they need to work like a gas pump, you should be able to pull up, plug in, insert a credit card, and it starts charging. No app BS or anything like that. They all should work this way. Perhaps they could also have a QR code scanner, so if say, Tesla, gives you free charging, you would scan a QR code.

I have a buddy who does it. He got a great deal on a Nissan Leaf. He has free charging at work & free charging at the dealership on his way home. His goal is to never charge at home; he's got over 100k miles on it & hasn't charged at home once yet lol. He has the older low-range model, I think it's like 70 or 109 miles or something.

 

[Brovane]

Oh yeah if you don't have the option to run power to have your own charger then an EV won't really be convinient. I wouldn't want to rely on public chargers. From everything I seen in Youtube videos on EVs the public chargers are actually quite annoying to use. It rarely just works the first time. If you're not fiddling around with your phone to try to get the stupid app to work and sync etc, you're dealing with a charger that is plain not working, or out of order etc. There's always something. They really need to fix this. IMO they need to work like a gas pump, you should be able to pull up, plug in, insert a credit card, and it starts charging. No app BS or anything like that. They all should work this way. Perhaps they could also have a QR code scanner, so if say, Tesla, gives you free charging, you would scan a QR code.

Public Charging can be a bit of a hit or miss unless you have a Tesla and have access to the Supercharging network. A couple of weeks ago when I was charging my Leaf two people pulled in next to me at a EVGO charger with a Kia EV6 and despite swiping a EVGO RFID card, Using the App or just using a credit card they couldn't get the EVGO station to start charging. Not sure what the problem was since I had no problem. I was finishing up charging so I just told them to try my station I was using since I knew it worked. Unless I had a Tesla, I wouldn't want to depend on public charging. Our general rule when using the Leaf for a road trip and public charging is required is to always leave enough range in the car to go to a backup charger.

 

[pauldun170]

LOL

Tesla Cybertruck mass production won’t start until 2024

A mid-summer 2023 Cybertruck production target was downplayed by Elon Musk.

www.theverge.com

 

[WelshBloke]

LOL

Tesla Cybertruck mass production won’t start until 2024

A mid-summer 2023 Cybertruck production target was downplayed by Elon Musk.

www.theverge.com

I'm shocked. Is everyone else shocked?

Shocking.

Totally unexpected.

 

[Brovane]

I'm shocked. Is everyone else shocked?

Shocking.

Totally unexpected.

This has been known for a while about Cybertruck production, not sure why this article is treating it as something new.
I am more interested to see how many F150 Lightnings that Ford can deliver this year. In 2022 they only managed to deliver about ~16k to customers.

 

[Brainonska511]

This has been known for a while about Cybertruck production, not sure why this article is treating it as something new.
I am more interested to see how many F150 Lightnings that Ford can deliver this year. In 2022 they only managed to deliver about ~16k to customers.

Not surprising to see relatively low numbers of deliveries [for Ford] as production is still ramping up. But also, there is an issue of securing enough battery supplies and lithium, and these larger vehicles use an excessive amount.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1617918544712462337

For Tesla, this isn't surprising. Musk has a long standing habit of running his mouth over-promising and under-delivering

 

[Brovane]

Not surprising to see relatively low numbers of deliveries [for Ford] as production is still ramping up. But also, there is an issue of securing enough battery supplies and lithium, and these larger vehicles use an excessive amount.

For Tesla, this isn't surprising. Musk has a long standing habit of running his mouth over-promising and under-delivering

I will be very interested to see how many F150 lightning's Ford can produce in 2023. I think there is demand for over 100k units a year. However can Ford build this many?

 

[Red Squirrel]

I have a feeling it will just get cancelled. They're probably running into tons of issues that keep delaying it. Tesla also likes to jump the gun on announcing things that they've barely even started on yet. Reminds me of kickstarters, so many people make that mistake. Coming up with an idea is easy, actually manufacturing it is hard. Best to wait until you're actually ready to mass produce the product before announcing it.

I do hope to eventually see them follow through though, I'm genuinely curious to see how it ends up doing.

 

[sdifox]

All Cybertuck engineers are busy "fixing" Twitter :awe:

 

[WelshBloke]

I have a feeling it will just get cancelled. They're probably running into tons of issues that keep delaying it. Tesla also likes to jump the gun on announcing things that they've barely even started on yet. Reminds me of kickstarters, so many people make that mistake. Coming up with an idea is easy, actually manufacturing it is hard. Best to wait until you're actually ready to mass produce the product before announcing it.

I do hope to eventually see them follow through though, I'm genuinely curious to see how it ends up doing.

I think it'll happen in a limited run, then Tesla will make a "normal" looking truck because you can only sell so much stuff to your vocal fanboys while ignoring what people actually buy.

 

[WelshBloke]

All Cybertuck engineers are busy "fixing" Twitter :awe:

Metaphorically bolting on windscreen wipers and rear view mirrors as we speak!

 

[sdifox]

Meanwhile over at Rivian

Rivian Reveals Production And Sales Results In Q3 2022: New Records

Rivian has just announced its electric vehicle production and deliveries numbers for the third quarter of 2022.

insideevs.com

 

[Brovane]

Meanwhile over at Rivian

Rivian Reveals Production And Sales Results In Q3 2022: New Records

Rivian has just announced its electric vehicle production and deliveries numbers for the third quarter of 2022.

insideevs.com

Looks like Rivian produced 10k vehicles for Q4. Good steady ramp through the year.

 

[BoomerD]

I can explain why a family wouldn't want a big truck as a primary vehicle but I feel like it should be pretty obvious.

And you just might be wrong. When we lived in Utah in the 80s, the big Mormon families (that could afford it) drove Suburbans. Those are heavy-truck (IIRC, 3/4 ton) chassis 4x4 SUV's that haul a LOT of people...in good weather or bad. (and parts of Utah get a fuck-ton of snow in the winter months. We referred to them as "Mormon Station Wagons."

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[Commodus]

And you just might be wrong. When we lived in Utah in the 80s, the big Mormon families (that could afford it) drove Suburbans. Those are heavy-truck (IIRC, 3/4 ton) chassis 4x4 SUV's that haul a LOT of people...in good weather or bad. (and parts of Utah get a fuck-ton of snow in the winter months. We referred to them as "Mormon Station Wagons."

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That's not the same as using a pickup, mind you... if you've got a family of five, it won't be ideal to store all your child gear/shopping in a truck bed!

With that said, as a recent parent I suddenly understand why people buy three-row SUVs like the Suburban, and why brands like Kia jumped in with the Telluride. We appreciate having an SUV (a Tucson in our case) even with one child — with two or three young ones, we'd practically be begging for a larger model.

 

[Kaido]

I have a feeling it will just get cancelled. They're probably running into tons of issues that keep delaying it. Tesla also likes to jump the gun on announcing things that they've barely even started on yet. Reminds me of kickstarters, so many people make that mistake. Coming up with an idea is easy, actually manufacturing it is hard. Best to wait until you're actually ready to mass produce the product before announcing it.

I do hope to eventually see them follow through though, I'm genuinely curious to see how it ends up doing.

The hard thing is, there's legitimate competition now. The main thing that could potentially make the Cybertruck stand out is the battery. The question is, can they really do 500 miles? Or push it & do 620 miles? Because that's my tipping point for going electric...a 500-mile battery. The F-150 EV is the best car I've ever driven, period, not just electric, but the range is too small for my needs. Plus you have some really cool competition now:



Soon:



Available:



Concept:

 

[Kaido]

LOL

Tesla Cybertruck mass production won’t start until 2024

A mid-summer 2023 Cybertruck production target was downplayed by Elon Musk.

www.theverge.com

Given Elon's historical timelines, I'm now expecting my Cybertruck for Christmas 2026 lol.

 

[WelshBloke]

And you just might be wrong. When we lived in Utah in the 80s, the big Mormon families (that could afford it) drove Suburbans. Those are heavy-truck (IIRC, 3/4 ton) chassis 4x4 SUV's that haul a LOT of people...in good weather or bad. (and parts of Utah get a fuck-ton of snow in the winter months. We referred to them as "Mormon Station Wagons."

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www.chevrolet.com

I'd say that's closer to a van than a pick up!

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[Wreckem]

Given Elon's historical timelines, I'm now expecting my Cybertruck for Christmas 2026 lol.

Kia will have both of their EV trucks out by MY2026…

 

[Kaido]

Kia will have both of their EV trucks out by MY2026…

The EV6 is a very impressive vehicle; I'm excited to see what their trucks look like!

I still have my pre-order in for a Cybertruck, but I have some reservations:

1. What happens if you get in an accident? What's a repair job like on even a simple fender-bender?
2. What's the safety of extraction? Bulletproof glass, door handle design, etc. all sound kind of scary from an emergency responder perspective.
3. Are we REALLY going to see a $39k model? The main driver for me is the 500-mile battery, to fit both my daily commute & my range anxiety, so if the base goes up, the higher-end models will go up.
4. I really don't walk a yoke or other funky steering wheel. I tend to drive with my left hand on top of the wheel & my elbow on the door sill.
5. Curious about actual size. I drive into big cities sometimes & it can be a pain to navigate a really large vehicle to find street parking & whatnot.
6. Is it going to look like the concept vehicle? I don't like the new rims at all or some of the design features I've seen on the prototypes.