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WelshBloke

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Sometimes you just need a basic full size pickup truck. My Dad has a basic 1990's F250 Super Duty. Everything is manual on the truck, doesn't even had power locks. However if you need to go pickup twenty 50'x6' chain-link fence rolls from a good deal on Facebook Marketplace, it does the job. A truck meant to do things and not just show off.

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Or if you need to pickup three 1,000 lb bags of 3/4" Gravel from Home Depot.

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I just get my shit delivered!
 

WelshBloke

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I'm kind of jealous...my buddy has a Cybertruck coming in specifically for renting it out on Turo. It's going for $1,000 a DAY in his area lol.
Thats a quick way of trashing your car in 6 months! Theres a reason that you can buy nearly new ex hire cars for next to nothing!
 

WelshBloke

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I can see that being an ideal life for some people, for me it would be a life of depression and despair.
Honestly I can see the attraction of having everything on my doorstep and fantastic public transport. I do like a bit of piece and quiet, personal space and empty countryside though so I guess I'll stick with the countryside.
 

Greenman

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Honestly I can see the attraction of having everything on my doorstep and fantastic public transport. I do like a bit of piece and quiet, personal space and empty countryside though so I guess I'll stick with the countryside.
I kind of have the best of both worlds where I'm at. 90% of the things I need are within 2 miles of me, the other 10% are within 15 miles.
 
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MrSquished

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Most people don't have a clue about NYC. Either they see things in the movies or TV, or if they go, they just do the main tourist stuff in the busiest parts of Manhattan, and assume that is NYC. There are so many neighborhoods where it is so much more quiet and less hectic, including in Manhattan, let alone BK or Queens. Most New Yorkers purposely avoid the areas where the tourists go because they don't like the crowds either, especially the tourists, who are always stopping to look at things and getting in the way. Meanwhile the tourists think, I just experienced NYC! When they literally have just done some major tourist stuff mostly.

I mean I can be in Times Square in 15 minutes, but I never actually go to Times Square. Avoid it like the plague. I live in a neighborhood that is mostly 2-3 story homes which are single family and often 2-3 family, with some 4 families mixed int, also with some mid rise condo and apartment buildings also peppered throughout, usually four to six stories high. There are multiple parks nearby. It's never too crowded. I can walk to do all my shopping and I never have to use a car to go anywhere in my area or in the city. I have a car because I do work in the suburbs, and my family lives about an hour away. But if I didn't need the car for work, I could find other ways to visit them a couple times a month.

I could never ever live too far from a city. And no, not just any size city, but a major major city. Not like a Charlotte or something like that, way too small. Millions of people. With serious walkability for a lot of things, and with good mass transit (in America mass transit is communism for some reason but it's what makes NYC amazing) - the mass transit and walkability to lots of things are the key factors here. Not many cities in America have it, we are a car culture. In the US I could probably live in some west coast cities for a couple years each, like Seattle or San Fran or Denver. But to get real walkability and mass transit outside of that I'd have to go to Europe, which I hope to one day.

To me the greatest things to experience are the good stuff that humanity creates, along with natural beauty. As fucked up as humanity is, the things that move people are the arts, culture, food, experiences. Also nature, but if I live too far out in nature, I'll get none of the amenities that I mentioned before at all - they will be figments of my imagination - but I can always go visit nature when I want to. And I do. I like to camp and hike and go to the beach, and all those things are an hour to two hours away from me by car.

I go to the MoMA a few times a year or more. It's amazing to have that access. There are so many more museums too, about everything, the big famous ones everybody knows and little ones like the tenement museum and others. I popped in to go to the MoMA the other day for an afternoon date. It was so inspiring and pleasant and I was struck by this photographer's exhibit, a Vietnamese American woman who shoots in large format. Then I walked ten minutes and got food made at a Singaporean vendor hall where most of the vendors are actually from Singapore, and have visas to run them here. Home shortly after to my nice and quiet condo with my big screen tv, pets, and office with my gaming setup.

The diversity is unparalleled, and the food is a product of that. I mean you can just go to a shit ton of neighborhoods and throw a rock in each direction and walk to a ridiculously good food place. I'm not talking high class expensive food. Ethnic food. Fast casual food. You can live in NYC for your whole life and never run out of new places to try and eat. What makes it special is you don't have to drive to any of them. Between your feet and the subway, and in a few places a bus or a bike, I mean it's all at your fingertips.

I go visit my family in the burbs, less than an hour west of NYC and I enjoy visiting, but everything requires driving, and even being that close to NYC, in a very diverse state, the selection is totally pathetic compared to anything near me. You might have some ethnic restaurants, but they are like nothing compared to a major metropolitan city. There are suburban/urban areas around me that have tons of great food but those become few and far apart every mile you get further away. We have the largest Korean American population in NJ outside of Cali, with great food. There are some great areas that are very Indian, etc...so there are pockets of vibrant things once you get out of the city, but they get fewer and farther between the farther you go.

Can the crowds and mass transit be annoying and suck sometimes. Oh absolutely. Can it be expensive to get the space you want while still having great access to all those amenities? Yes, and that fluctuates widely. I'm lucky to have in unit laundry, but many people don't. Annoying. There are definitely drawbacks. I don't think living near an actual major metropolis is for everyone long-term, but, everyone should do it for a few years and then live anywhere else. You will see and experience the very best of human expression and a lot of different versions of it. That is the marrow of life. You may think you don't need it or you may think you are even getting it living near a small city. But you aren't. Not being isolated in cookie cutter neighborhoods with strip malls and soulless chains with a few more vibrant things peppered in there.

Not everybody dresses the same, people look different, tons of different languages, it gives you hope. No cookie cutter strip malls and the same fucking boring chains you see all over the place. Everyone dresses the same, like uniforms. That stuff is soul sucking. There is nothing to do.

If you've never experienced it you don't know what you are missing. If you base your judgements on the few actual big walkable cities in the US on either what you see on tv or what you do as a tourist for a week in Manhattan, you have literally no idea, through no fault of your own, but you just don't. Also when people live in diverse big cities, they tend to see the bigger picture of the world, that we are all humans creating and trying to get by, no matter what we look like. And that's why cities vote blue. To me that says a lot about what cities help people see, even if they move to the burbs later. I mean look at what the red party is all about today. That shit is scary. And where is that base? Nowhere near cities. I think that says a lot about what the lack of experience away from cities does to people. Ignorance creates bad hombres.
 
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misuspita

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I remember when going first time in Barcelona... One friend who went there many times said if I want to see the real Barcelona, don't go on the Rambla and tourist venues, but go 3-4 streets sideways and see the coffee shops and restaurants where locals go and you can taste the real one.
 
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Kaido

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Most people don't have a clue about NYC. Either they see things in the movies or TV, or if they go, they just do the main tourist stuff in the busiest parts of Manhattan, and assume that is NYC. There are so many neighborhoods where it is so much more quiet and less hectic, including in Manhattan, let alone BK or Queens. Most New Yorkers purposely avoid the areas where the tourists go because they don't like the crowds either, especially the tourists, who are always stopping to look at things and getting in the way. Meanwhile the tourists think, I just experienced NYC! When they literally have just done some major tourist stuff mostly.

I mean I can be in Times Square in 15 minutes, but I never actually go to Times Square. Avoid it like the plague. I live in a neighborhood that is mostly 2-3 story homes which are single family and often 2-3 family, with some 4 families mixed int, also with some mid rise condo and apartment buildings also peppered throughout, usually four to six stories high. There are multiple parks nearby. It's never too crowded. I can walk to do all my shopping and I never have to use a car to go anywhere in my area or in the city. I have a car because I do work in the suburbs, and my family lives about an hour away. But if I didn't need the car for work, I could find other ways to visit them a couple times a month.

I could never ever live too far from a city. And no, not just any size city, but a major major city. Not like a Charlotte or something like that, way too small. Millions of people. With serious walkability for a lot of things, and with good mass transit (in America mass transit is communism for some reason but it's what makes NYC amazing) - the mass transit and walkability to lots of things are the key factors here. Not many cities in America have it, we are a car culture. In the US I could probably live in some west coast cities for a couple years each, like Seattle or San Fran or Denver. But to get real walkability and mass transit outside of that I'd have to go to Europe, which I hope to one day.

To me the greatest things to experience are the good stuff that humanity creates, along with natural beauty. As fucked up as humanity is, the things that move people are the arts, culture, food, experiences. Also nature, but if I live too far out in nature, I'll get none of the amenities that I mentioned before at all - they will be figments of my imagination - but I can always go visit nature when I want to. And I do. I like to camp and hike and go to the beach, and all those things are an hour to two hours away from me by car.

I go to the MoMA a few times a year or more. It's amazing to have that access. There are so many more museums too, about everything, the big famous ones everybody knows and little ones like the tenement museum and others. I popped in to go to the MoMA the other day for an afternoon date. It was so inspiring and pleasant and I was struck by this photographer's exhibit, a Vietnamese American woman who shoots in large format. Then I walked ten minutes and got food made at a Singaporean vendor hall where most of the vendors are actually from Singapore, and have visas to run them here. Home shortly after to my nice and quiet condo with my big screen tv, pets, and office with my gaming setup.

The diversity is unparalleled, and the food is a product of that. I mean you can just go to a shit ton of neighborhoods and throw a rock in each direction and walk to a ridiculously good food place. I'm not talking high class expensive food. Ethnic food. Fast casual food. You can live in NYC for your whole life and never run out of new places to try and eat. What makes it special is you don't have to drive to any of them. Between your feet and the subway, and in a few places a bus or a bike, I mean it's all at your fingertips.

I go visit my family in the burbs, less than an hour west of NYC and I enjoy visiting, but everything requires driving, and even being that close to NYC, in a very diverse state, the selection is totally pathetic compared to anything near me. You might have some ethnic restaurants, but they are like nothing compared to a major metropolitan city. There are suburban/urban areas around me that have tons of great food but those become few and far apart every mile you get further away. We have the largest Korean American population in NJ outside of Cali, with great food. There are some great areas that are very Indian, etc...so there are pockets of vibrant things once you get out of the city, but they get fewer and farther between the farther you go.

Can the crowds and mass transit be annoying and suck sometimes. Oh absolutely. Can it be expensive to get the space you want while still having great access to all those amenities? Yes, and that fluctuates widely. I'm lucky to have in unit laundry, but many people don't. Annoying. There are definitely drawbacks. I don't think living near an actual major metropolis is for everyone long-term, but, everyone should do it for a few years and then live anywhere else. You will see and experience the very best of human expression and a lot of different versions of it. That is the marrow of life. You may think you don't need it or you may think you are even getting it living near a small city. But you aren't. Not being isolated in cookie cutter neighborhoods with strip malls and soulless chains with a few more vibrant things peppered in there.

Not everybody dresses the same, people look different, tons of different languages, it gives you hope. No cookie cutter strip malls and the same fucking boring chains you see all over the place. Everyone dresses the same, like uniforms. That stuff is soul sucking. There is nothing to do.

If you've never experienced it you don't know what you are missing. If you base your judgements on the few actual big walkable cities in the US on either what you see on tv or what you do as a tourist for a week in Manhattan, you have literally no idea, through no fault of your own, but you just don't. Also when people live in diverse big cities, they tend to see the bigger picture of the world, that we are all humans creating and trying to get by, no matter what we look like. And that's why cities vote blue. To me that says a lot about what cities help people see, even if they move to the burbs later. I mean look at what the red party is all about today. That shit is scary. And where is that base? Nowhere near cities. I think that says a lot about what the lack of experience away from cities does to people. Ignorance creates bad hombres.

Man that's a great writeup, you should put that up on Medium!
 

Red Squirrel

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lmao that thing is really 3k? Could build a truck bed camper out of plywood with that kind of money. That looks like someone just throw a hardware store tarp over some supports. And I think that's basically what it is.
 

MrSquished

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Man that's a great writeup, you should put that up on Medium!
ha. Thanks! I'm glad you liked it I thought it was a bit too stream of consciousness, which is how I wrote it, and I was going to come back and edit the whole thing. There are some good bones and nuggets in there, but definitely should re-write it, but I'm glad the points got through. Appreciate it.

MotorTrend reviewed the Cybertruck. The title is -

The Cybertruck is neither the best nor the worst truck of all time -​

but after you read it, it's like, that was a generous headline, it's definitely quite tilted to the worst side of things. I mean the first Con says it all, bolded below

  • Compromised in every way by its design
  • Spartan interior takes minimalism too far
  • Doesn't live up to the hype
and the pros are more about it's hype, which really, if you want attention by buying a totally compromised design, go for it I guess.

  • Actually a pretty decent truck
  • Gets more attention than Donald Trump
  • Drives like a Tesla, charges like a Tesla (never knew drives like a Tesla is this amazing experience)

 

Kaido

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Drives like a Tesla, charges like a Tesla (never knew drives like a Tesla is this amazing experience)

I've driven everything but a Plaid & a Cybertruck at this point. Teslas are really great to drive...super fast acceleration & they move how you want them to move. It's like driving a video game car lol.

Charging is the same. They have stalls & it's easy and the new ones get a quick charge pretty dang fast. Other charging stations are typically sub-standard experiences...they're broken half the time, they take forever, etc. My only complaint with Tesla chargers is the charging cables are too short. A lot of EV manufacturers are adding Tesla charging capability & it gets annoying to have make sure you have enough reach to charge your car.
 

MrSquished

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I've driven everything but a Plaid & a Cybertruck at this point. Teslas are really great to drive...super fast acceleration & they move how you want them to move. It's like driving a video game car lol.

Charging is the same. They have stalls & it's easy and the new ones get a quick charge pretty dang fast. Other charging stations are typically sub-standard experiences...they're broken half the time, they take forever, etc. My only complaint with Tesla chargers is the charging cables are too short. A lot of EV manufacturers are adding Tesla charging capability & it gets annoying to have make sure you have enough reach to charge your car.
I mean yes we know electric cars can be built to have lots of torque and can be very fast. The ioniq 6 goes 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds. So does the rivian. This is not just a Tesla attribute. That's an attribute of performance driven electric motors.

The video game thing makes sense though because what I hear from some drivers is Tesla has less and less controls of an actual car in the name of compromising design, as motor trend so kindly points out, so it probably feels like a video game?
 

Kaido

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I mean yes we know electric cars can be built to have lots of torque and can be very fast. The ioniq 6 goes 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds. So does the rivian. This is not just a Tesla attribute. That's an attribute of performance driven electric motors.

The video game thing makes sense though because what I hear from some drivers is Tesla has less and less controls of an actual car in the name of compromising design, as motor trend so kindly points out, so it probably feels like a video game?

I've been fortunate to have been able to test-drive most EV's on the market; most electric cars drive in a very similar fashion. Instant torque & numb steering are pretty common. One-pedal driving takes a bit of getting used to but is REALLY nice once it becomes fluid. Even with a regular say Model Y, it's kind of a thought-to-reality process where the car just zips to doing whatever you want it to do, which is pretty different from most ICE vehicles. Like with the Ecoboost Mustang's turbo, I have to kind of plan ahead if I want to zip around a car to let the turbo spool up for a second, whereas in a Tesla, it's just point & go! If you haven't had the chance to test-drive an EV, I'd highly recommend it!

Ford did a really good job with how their Mach-E drives. Once I test-drove that, it was my favorite vehicle I've ever driven...they added certain delays & whatnot into the EV experience to make it feel more like a regular car, which imo was more pleasant to drive than a Tesla, even with the Tesla Chill mode & creep modes enabled. Then I test-drove the Ford F-150 Lighting EV truck & THAT became my favorite vehicle I've ever driven, due to the extra weight & stability:


They just did a really, really phenomenal job programming the electric motor on that truck. I haven't driven the Cybertruck yet, but my buddy has one on the way, so I'll have to see how it compares to the Lightning.

Even the slowest Tesla I've driven is still a really fantastic driving experience! The super-high-speed models are pretty crazy, but I feel like you'd get used to the experience of going crazy fast on-demand, so I don't know if it's really worth the extra money long-term. I can't believe they're selling the Plaid Model S for only $89k...zero to 60 in 1.99 seconds in a production vehicle is pretty bonkers lol. I think the fastest I've experience is 2.4 seconds, which feels like getting the wind knocked out of you, haha!
 
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MrSquished

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I've been fortunate to have been able to test-drive most EV's on the market; most electric cars drive in a very similar fashion. Instant torque & numb steering are pretty common. One-pedal driving takes a bit of getting used to but is REALLY nice once it becomes fluid. Even with a regular say Model Y, it's kind of a thought-to-reality process where the car just zips to doing whatever you want it to do, which is pretty different from most ICE vehicles. Like with the Ecoboost Mustang's turbo, I have to kind of plan ahead if I want to zip around a car to let the turbo spool up for a second, whereas in a Tesla, it's just point & go! If you haven't had the chance to test-drive an EV, I'd highly recommend it!

Ford did a really good job with how their Mach-E drives. Once I test-drove that, it was my favorite vehicle I've ever driven...they added certain delays & whatnot into the EV experience to make it feel more like a regular car, which imo was more pleasant to drive than a Tesla, even with the Tesla Chill mode & creep modes enabled. Then I test-drove the Ford F-150 Lighting EV truck & THAT became my favorite vehicle I've ever driven, due to the extra weight & stability:


They just did a really, really phenomenal job programming the electric motor on that truck. I haven't driven the Cybertruck yet, but my buddy has one on the way, so I'll have to see how it compares to the Lightning.

Even the slowest Tesla I've driven is still a really fantastic driving experience! The super-high-speed models are pretty crazy, but I feel like you'd get used to the experience of going crazy fast on-demand, so I don't know if it's really worth the extra money long-term. I can't believe they're selling the Plaid Model S for only $89k...zero to 60 in 1.99 seconds in a production vehicle is pretty bonkers lol. I think the fastest I've experience is 2.4 seconds, which feels like getting the wind knocked out of you, haha!

I feel you about the speed but at some point 0-60 is just for testosterone bragging rights. Elon is a caveman mentally so it's safe to assume he's going to keep pushing the acceleration numbers and use that as marketing to that market - men who find 0-60 speed bragging rights to make their balls bigger - and it works. Some people love fixating on those numbers and they want them. But in reality, after a certain level of acceleration it's just about penis size and nothing else utilitarian. In fact, for some people having that much power is probably less safe.
 

misuspita

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After a certain point, those number are meaningless

Why should I care I can make a 100km/h in 2s or in 5? It's still enourmously fast and not useful beyond bragging rights. If I can't make a overtake in the 5s car, that means it wasn't safe to do it no matter what
 
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manly

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After a certain point, those number are meaningless

Why should I care I can make a 100km/h in 2s or in 5? It's still enourmously fast and not useful beyond bragging rights. If I can't make a overtake in the 5s car, that means it wasn't safe to do it no matter what
U.S. traffic fatalities are very high, so I don't think it's meaningless.

There are at least a handful of people on this forum alone who swear they need 200hp to merge onto the highways in their area lol. People have no concept how weak cars were 45 years ago.
 

WelshBloke

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After a certain point, those number are meaningless

Why should I care I can make a 100km/h in 2s or in 5? It's still enourmously fast and not useful beyond bragging rights. If I can't make a overtake in the 5s car, that means it wasn't safe to do it no matter what
It's not just the ridiculous 0-60 speeds, it's the ridiculous 0-60 speeds in a land yacht that's driven by people not expecting it.
Traditionally low 0-60s were just in sports cars that are designed with manoeuvrability in mind and were usually bought by people with a bit of experience in driving them.
 
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