Tesla Cybertruck

[manly]

Imagine blaming the guy for not reading the manual on how to open the car door in an emergency. Is that really a hill people are willing to die on? Why tf is there a manual to open the door. That seems like an obvious red flag to me. I'm constantly surprised how willing people are to make excuses for Tesla, Musk in particular.

"I am the true car guy in AT forums. I am not an Elon stan. And RTFM."

 

[bbhaag]

Oh boy here we go! This is gonna be a multi quoted post so try an keep up boys! I know it can be tricky for some of you old timers on here.

Yeah but in a moment of panic while the vehicle is on fire, you don't have time to RTFM, that's the issue. The doors should be mechanical by default, no override, just mechanical. You shouldn't have to read a manual to know how to exit a car on fire. Even if you read it ahead of time let's be honest most people will gloss over stuff like that and think "I'll never need that".

You need to RTFM manual BEFORE a situation like this happens. Especially important if you are under the influence.
You drive an older higher milage F-150. Modern vehicles do not operate the same as they did.

Yea, it's complete bullshit, and violates safety 101. There needs to be outside handles, and there needs to be inside handles. You can add electric on top of that, but the core function needs to mechanical. Complain about your precious styling, and I'll mandate yellow and black reflective stickers to go around the mechanical handles. Complain some more, and see what else I can add that you'll hate... I wish I were in charge around here...

Sorry bro but the industry is continuing to move away from this. It is not a safety issue if you know how to operate the piece of equipment you purchased properly and are not under the influence while doing it.

Would you operate a chainsaw without first understanding how it works? Would you operate a chainsaw while under the influence of alcohol?

I think that the "OMG! 5000°!!!" thing is a bit overblown. You're dead if you get trapped in a fire regardless of if it's super hot. The fact that your bones get burned up as well is pretty irrelevant.

I think that certain things should absolutely have mechanical fallbacks. These would be steering, brakes, door handles..

Every vehicle equipped with an electronic door already has a mechanical fallback.

Imagine blaming the guy for not reading the manual on how to open the car door in an emergency. Is that really a hill people are willing to die on? Why tf is there a manual to open the door. That seems like an obvious red flag to me. I'm constantly surprised how willing people are to make excuses for Tesla, Musk in particular.

Imagine if you read a story were a guy driving his brand new F-150 home while under the influence crashed into a concrete culvert and burned alive. It has happened and will happen again. The ONLY reason you read this story is because it involves the Tesla CT and the latest political affiliations their CEO has.

That is not a hill I'm dying on it is the truth.

"I am the true car guy in AT forums. I am not an Elon stan. And RTFM."

Fuck off asshole.

 

[lxskllr]

Sorry bro but the industry is continuing to move away from this. It is not a safety issue if you know how to operate the piece of equipment you purchased properly and are not under the influence while doing it.

That's bullshit. Regardless of the owner reading the manual, the vehicle will be encountered and used by many more people that haven't read the manual, and don't have the time to do a web search when trying to extract unconscious occupants. This isn't some intellectual abstraction. Odds are excellent that the vehicle will be in a wreck before it finally gets to the junkyard. They won't all be deadly, but it happens enough. I've been in one myself where I beat death, and I've seen others happen where they weren't so lucky.

 

[bbhaag]

That's bullshit. Regardless of the owner reading the manual, the vehicle will be encountered and used by many more people that haven't read the manual, and don't have the time to do a web search when trying to extract unconscious occupants. This isn't some intellectual abstraction. Odds are excellent that the vehicle will be in a wreck before it finally gets to the junkyard. They won't all be deadly, but it happens enough. I've been in one myself where I beat death, and I've seen others happen where they weren't so lucky.

Would you operate a chainsaw without first understanding how it works? Would you operate a chainsaw while under the influence of alcohol?

 

[snoopy7548]

Would you operate a chainsaw without first understanding how it works? Would you operate a chainsaw while under the influence of alcohol?

Operating a chainsaw without understanding how it works and while under the influence of alcohol is the only reasonable way to operate a chainsaw.

 

[lxskllr]

The chainsaw only affects me. It's a one man tool, carries no passengers, and doesn't at all involve the general public.

 

[bbhaag]

The chainsaw only affects me. It's a one man tool, carries no passengers, and doesn't at all involve the general public.

Until you cut the tree the wrong way and it crushes your neighbors house......The correct answer to my question was no you would not operate a chainsaw under those conditions.

 

[lxskllr]

Felling a tree onto a house isn't the fault of the saw. I can do that with a crosscut or axe.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Yeah, @bbhaag die on that hill all you want. I'll keep thinking electronic door latches that need an instruction manual to learn how to get out when my car is on fire is unsafe. That's not political.

I was curious so I looked up the instructions for the Cybertruck. For the back seat you have to remove a rubber mat from the bottom of the door pocket and pull on the hidden cable hook. What a fucking death trap. And if you tell me cars X, Y, and Z have similar procedure then they are pieces of shit too.

 

[Kaido]

Why tf is there a manual to open the door. That seems like an obvious red flag to me.

For starters, I don't like the Tesla Model 3 flush door handles. My buddy has one & they freeze shut every year. He carries around a spray bottle of ice-melter because he doesn't want to chip the paint to manually de-ice the area around the handle in order to open the door lol.



The Cybertruck prototype had pop-out handles, so at least if there was a manual backup option. iirc they were fully flush & relied on a motor to extend, with the idea being that they could be manually released in the even of power loss, I'd imagine.



The updated version has no exterior grab handle. The Armored windows were also a concern to me, especially if you needed outside assistance:

My previous Jeep Renegade was fully electric everything & had electrical issues. It locked me in sometimes because the electronic locks would go on the fritz. The e-brake button wouldn't disengage so I couldn't drive because I was stuck in the parking lot (had to disconnect the battery to fix that one lol). I'm not a huge fan of systems that don't have good, obvious backup systems in the event of problems!

 

[thedarkwolf]

My kia ev6 has the same stupid door handle design as the model 3. They are annoying in the winter but so far I've gotten away with just banging on them a bit with my fist when they are frozen over.

 

[Kaido]

My kia ev6 has the same stupid door handle design as the model 3. They are annoying in the winter but so far I've gotten away with just banging on them a bit with my fist when they are frozen over.

Tesla added remote preheat & remote motorized door unlatch features. Although I think it's silly to have to preheat your car to unlatch the door handles LOL:

Tesla combats frozen door handles with clever new in-app feature

Tesla is helping owners in colder climates combat the issue of frozen door handles with a clever new in-app feature that will unlatch them. Tesla rolled out an update for its Smartphone application late last week, with a new “Unlatch Door” feature that will help open the door with the touch of a...

www.teslarati.com

To be fair, the Mustangs have frameless windows on the doors & drop an inch automatically when you open the door in order to clear the upper seal and THAT gets stick in the winter, haha!

 

[Kaido]

I was curious so I looked up the instructions for the Cybertruck. For the back seat you have to remove a rubber mat from the bottom of the door pocket and pull on the hidden cable hook.

Ford is halting Mustang Mach-E sales due to a recall impacting over 300,000 vehicles:

Ford is halting Mustang Mach-E sales due to a recall impacting over 300,000 vehicles

Ford is recalling over 300,000 Mustang Mach-E models globally due to a glitch that could leave you locked out or...

electrek.co

TOO MUCH TECH lol

In the event of an unexpected 12V battery discharge, the front door electronic latch may not function, which could leave you stuck outside or, worse, inside the vehicle.