Testing the First AIDS Vaccine

[Fausto]

Some of you may recall Don Francis as one of the pioneers (along with Harold Jaffe) in HIV/AIDS research. After leaving the CDC, he's been working on the development of an AIDS vaccine (using a method considered ineffective at best by most scientists).

The results should be in shortly.

 

[MainFramed]

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<-------waiting for results

 

[tcsenter]

Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research in the hope that people will one day again be able to engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

 

[damiano]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

well..
sorry to hear that you guys don't fVck around...
believe me, you don't what you are missing

I do..
so this AIDS vaccin is agreat thing !

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

You guys aren't thinking beyond the foot of your own beds. What about other nations (Africa and India come to mind)? Wouldn't it be nice if we could stem the tide of a disease that is effectively excising the middle of their populations? Or should we just let them die because there are more important domestic issues at hand?

 

[tcsenter]

well...sorry to hear that you guys don't fVck around...believe me, you don't what you are missing

Yeah, I mean what is NOT to like about nearly 30% of the adult population having an STD? Speed bumps, VD, clamydia, unwanted children...hey where do I sign up for that.

Everyone knows you can't have "good sex" unless you're having it with IV drug users, prostitutes, gay men, and strangers?

 

[Darien]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

You guys aren't thinking beyond the foot of your own beds. What about other nations (Africa and India come to mind)? Wouldn't it be nice if we could stem the tide of a disease that is effectively excising the middle of their populations? Or should we just let them die because there are more important domestic issues at hand?

Let 'em learn that the best protection is no sex.

To those that didn't fvck around and have the disease -- let 'em have the vaccine.

<puts flame suit on>

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

You guys aren't thinking beyond the foot of your own beds. What about other nations (Africa and India come to mind)? Wouldn't it be nice if we could stem the tide of a disease that is effectively excising the middle of their populations? Or should we just let them die because there are more important domestic issues at hand?

Um, so in Africa and India, people don't get AIDS from sleeping around, but instead they will be just minding their own business, tilling their fields or whatnot, and just mysteriuously come down with the disease? Riiight. It's sad that so many children contract the disease from their mothers who slept around, but wouldn't the disease have been under control by now if all the money that goes towards a cure for this *preventable* disease had gone to education all along? If people were more responsible the disease would be wiped out in a generation.

 

[Freejack2]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research in the hope that people will one day again be able to engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Nice to know you are so shortsighted. In your view then they shouldn't spend money on cancer research either as cancer is usually caused by risky behavior.
Think about that next time you consume something that can cause cancer Mr high and mighty.

 

[StageLeft]

Goodluck!!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Darien

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

You guys aren't thinking beyond the foot of your own beds. What about other nations (Africa and India come to mind)? Wouldn't it be nice if we could stem the tide of a disease that is effectively excising the middle of their populations? Or should we just let them die because there are more important domestic issues at hand?

Let 'em learn that the best protection is no sex.

To those that didn't fvck around and have the disease -- let 'em have the vaccine.

<puts flame suit on>

I think you put the "stupid" suit on by accident.

1. Most Africans don't even understand what HIV/AIDS is because there's little funding for education (the spread of misinformation and rumors actually increases the spread of HIV in some cases). So you're saying they should just "figure out" basic virology on their own? That's absurd.

2. Vaccines PREVENT infection. They don't cure it, moron.

 

[tcsenter]

You guys aren't thinking beyond the foot of your own beds. What about other nations (Africa and India come to mind)? Wouldn't it be nice if we could stem the tide of a disease that is effectively excising the middle of their populations? Or should we just let them die because there are more important domestic issues at hand?

Actually, there is something fundamentally wrong about the thinking that we should spend our LIMITED RESOURCES on problems that are equally preventable with education and life-style changes. I agree that education is a worthwhile expense, but should we also spend as much money as we do on cancer research to come up with a 'vaccine' which prevents liver damage in alcoholics?

Maybe a 'vaccine' which prevents brain damage from sniffing glue?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

You guys aren't thinking beyond the foot of your own beds. What about other nations (Africa and India come to mind)? Wouldn't it be nice if we could stem the tide of a disease that is effectively excising the middle of their populations? Or should we just let them die because there are more important domestic issues at hand?

Um, so in Africa and India, people don't get AIDS from sleeping around, but instead they will be just minding their own business, tilling their fields or whatnot, and just mysteriuously come down with the disease? Riiight. It's sad that so many children contract the disease from their mothers who slept around, but wouldn't the disease have been under control by now if all the money that goes towards a cure for this *preventable* disease had gone to education all along? If people were more responsible the disease would be wiped out in a generation.

You're talking about developing nations......what is this "money for education" you're referring to?

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research in the hope that people will one day again be able to engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

IV heroin use has been escalating and not just among ghetto dwellers,lots of young,upscale addicts running around,people with great jobs who come from good neighborhoods and backgrounds,you'd never know they were addicts just by looking at them. These nice folks use drugs and yes they share needles and they are the bridge by which HIV spreads into the mainstream hetrosexual community.

HIV sero positivity in many cases is becoming more like a chronic health condition in that + folks are living many,many years thanks to drug treatment regimes. Treatment of an Hiv+ person is quite expensive, if a vaccine can be developed that protects against even a couple strains of the virus it would be MUCH cheaper overall.

 

[tcsenter]

Nice to know you are so shortsighted. In your view then they shouldn't spend money on cancer research either as cancer is usually caused by risky behavior. Think about that next time you consume something that can cause cancer Mr high and mighty.

Actually, there are no ways to reliably prevent cancer, unlike contracting AIDs. You can reduce your risk for certain types of cancers, not at all for others (that we know of), but you cannot eliminate it.

 

[Darien]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Darien

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

You guys aren't thinking beyond the foot of your own beds. What about other nations (Africa and India come to mind)? Wouldn't it be nice if we could stem the tide of a disease that is effectively excising the middle of their populations? Or should we just let them die because there are more important domestic issues at hand?

Let 'em learn that the best protection is no sex.

To those that didn't fvck around and have the disease -- let 'em have the vaccine.

<puts flame suit on>

I think you put the "stupid" suit on by accident.

1. Most Africans don't even understand what HIV/AIDS is because there's little funding for education (the spread of misinformation and rumors actually increases the spread of HIV in some cases). So you're saying they should just "figure out" basic virology on their own? That's absurd.

2. Vaccines PREVENT infection. They don't cure it, moron.

your first point is brought up out of no where. I never said to stop education.



the second point i should have made more clear -- those who didn't mess around should be the ones who decide which people should get the vaccine first. they'd be more level-headed than those who realize they have the disease.



name-calling is rather childish -- why the insult?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Yeah, I mean what is NOT to like about nearly 30% of the adult population having an STD? Speed bumps, VD, clamydia, unwanted children...hey where do I sign up for that.

You forgot venereal warts or HPV, all you folks looking forward to free love need to do a Google image search on them with the filters off.

Health experts estimate that there are more cases of genital HPV infection than of any other STD in the United States.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

You guys aren't thinking beyond the foot of your own beds. What about other nations (Africa and India come to mind)? Wouldn't it be nice if we could stem the tide of a disease that is effectively excising the middle of their populations? Or should we just let them die because there are more important domestic issues at hand?

Um, so in Africa and India, people don't get AIDS from sleeping around, but instead they will be just minding their own business, tilling their fields or whatnot, and just mysteriuously come down with the disease? Riiight. It's sad that so many children contract the disease from their mothers who slept around, but wouldn't the disease have been under control by now if all the money that goes towards a cure for this *preventable* disease had gone to education all along? If people were more responsible the disease would be wiped out in a generation.

You're talking about developing nations......what is this "money for education" you're referring to?

Was it that hard? Was it? Okay, here it is:

1) People amass large pile of dough to use towards research to find a vaccine/cure for AIDS.
2) People then take Large Pile of Dough, and instead of using it for research, they give it to someone.
3) Those people go to Africa, India, your developing nation of choice, etc., and tell the people there, "Hey, don't screw around, you'll get AIDs and die!"
4) People realize the error of their ways and stop sleeping around.
5) AIDS goes away completely within 20 years
6) No more AIDS

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: Freejack2

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research in the hope that people will one day again be able to engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Nice to know you are so shortsighted. In your view then they shouldn't spend money on cancer research either as cancer is usually caused by risky behavior.
Think about that next time you consume something that can cause cancer Mr high and mighty.

I agree. Selfish high and mightyers piss me off. Almost every disease is caused by 'risky behaviour'. Should all funding be stopped because it's easier not to engage in this risky behaviour? When you mix your culturally created ideas of "morals" with science is where I draw the line and put you on the other side with other people I have no respect for.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Darien

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Darien

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research so that people can engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Pretty much my feelings, I only have sex with one woman & both of us have only had one partner (each other).

AIDS is about as high on my list of worries as being kidnapped & anally probed by aliens.

Viper GTS

You guys aren't thinking beyond the foot of your own beds. What about other nations (Africa and India come to mind)? Wouldn't it be nice if we could stem the tide of a disease that is effectively excising the middle of their populations? Or should we just let them die because there are more important domestic issues at hand?

Let 'em learn that the best protection is no sex.

To those that didn't fvck around and have the disease -- let 'em have the vaccine.

<puts flame suit on>

I think you put the "stupid" suit on by accident.

1. Most Africans don't even understand what HIV/AIDS is because there's little funding for education (the spread of misinformation and rumors actually increases the spread of HIV in some cases). So you're saying they should just "figure out" basic virology on their own? That's absurd.

2. Vaccines PREVENT infection. They don't cure it, moron.

your first point is brought up out of no where. I never said to stop education.



the second point i should have made more clear -- those who didn't mess around should be the ones who decide which people should get the vaccine first. they'd be more level-headed than those who realize they have the disease.

Riiiiiiiiiight. So we make decisions about who gets what vaccine based on a summary judgement of their morality? That's just brilliant Dr Goebbels.

name-calling is rather childish -- why the insult?

Because your post was completely pointless and you obviously didn't bother to read the article I linked either. You just hopped in the thread, typed out some blather (which you even admitted was complete flamebait), and went back to mastubating to old "Threes Company" reruns. Make a valid point or STFU.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Jellomancer

Originally posted by: Freejack2

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research in the hope that people will one day again be able to engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Nice to know you are so shortsighted. In your view then they shouldn't spend money on cancer research either as cancer is usually caused by risky behavior.
Think about that next time you consume something that can cause cancer Mr high and mighty.

I agree. Selfish high and mightyers piss me off. Almost every disease is caused by 'risky behaviour'. Should all funding be stopped because it's easier not to engage in this risky behaviour? When you mix your culturally created ideas of "morals" with science is where I draw the line and put you on the other side with other people I have no respect for.

Morals aside, this is COMMON SENSE.

- Don't sleep around
- Don't shoot up

Those two simple things will virtually eliminate any chance you have of getting AIDS. Yes, there's always the freak accident but the odds are virtually nil.

What do we do about Africa? I dunno... It's not our (US) job to police the world & solve all their medical problems. Privately funded research would be the way to go. Hell, I might even donate some myself. But give me the option.

Viper GTS

 

[tcsenter]

IV heroin use has been escalating and not just among ghetto dwellers,lots of young,upscale addicts running around,people with great jobs who come from good neighborhoods and backgrounds, you'd never know they were addicts just by looking at them.

That's precisely the point. People who believe that you can know the history of a person by their outward appearance are bound to become an STD statistic.

These nice folks use drugs and yes they share needles and they are the bridge by which HIV spreads into the mainstream hetrosexual community.

Sure, you can have sex with an IV drug user and not know they are an IV drug user, just like these stupid mothers who claim that they didn't know their own children were being sexually molested by their father for 10 years in their own home right under their freaking nose.

The idea that you can have sex with an IV drug user and not know it is about as false and fundamentally stupid as the idea that your children can be molested for 10 years under your own roof and you may not know about it.

If you have sex with an IV drug user and weren't aware they were an IV drug user, that can ONLY mean one thing: you didn't know that person well enough to be having sex with them.

 

[Fausto]

Was it that hard? Was it? Okay, here it is:

1) People amass large pile of dough to use towards research to find a vaccine/cure for AIDS.
2) People then take Large Pile of Dough, and instead of using it for research, they give it to someone.
3) Those people go to Africa, India, your developing nation of choice, etc., and tell the people there, "Hey, don't screw around, you'll get AIDs and die!"
4) People realize the error of their ways and stop sleeping around.
5) AIDS goes away completely within 20 years
6) No more AIDS

What people? Who's got all this money? Who says they want to spend it on HIV education? Who says the nations in question will listen (you're talking about very different social norms from our own)? Who says they even have infrastructure to disseminate the education? Who says taxpayers won't freak out at the thought of their tax dollars going to help a nation they don't give two sh*ts about? Who says the problem will go away? Never underestimate the power of people to be stupid and ignorant. Think about teens and pregnancy rumors (won't get preggers if you have sex standing up/in a pool/etc). By your model, we should have nipped teen pregnancy and STDs in general in the bud years ago. It's just not that simple.

 

[Yeeny]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Meh, I'm not an IV drug user, I do not have sex with men, I do not have sex with prostitutes, I do not have sex with IV drug users, I'm rather monogamous and don't have sex with people I barely know. The last thing I could care about is an AIDs vaccine.

But what a wonderful day it is in America that almost as much money is spent on AIDs research as cancer research in the hope that people will one day again be able to engage in all of the behaviors above without risk. Hurray.

Rather monogamous? How can you be rather monogamous, you either are or you aren't. And heres a clue for everyone. Once you stick it in, you are at risk. Condoms can break,or get minute tears in them that you can't even see. People can lie about their past history, and how many they have slept with before you. They can cheat on you while you are together, and you don't have to know about it.

If you have sex nowadays, you are at risk. No matter who you are sleeping with. It's that simple.