Texas Ebola patient dies

shira

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I think that a lot of people have been assuming that the high death rate (71% in the current epidemic, according the the latest analysis) of Ebola has been due to the poor medical care available in Africa, and that the death rate would be a lot lower in first-world countries. But now it's being reported that Thomas Eric Duncan has died, despite receiving first-class care in an American hospital.

It's pretty typical for people to engage in "us/them" reasoning in order to psychologically insulate themselves from frightening things that are happening to "that other group." And we in America are doing this right now with respect to Ebola. Obviously, with only only imported cases so far, we're a long way from an Ebola epidemic here in America. But there's still a lot we don't understand about this virus. Let's hope that it's as hard to catch, and as easy to control, as we're being told.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/10/08/texas-ebola-patient-has-died-from-ebola/?hpid=z1

Thomas Eric Duncan died Wednesday morning in Texas, according to the hospital where he was being treated for Ebola.

Duncan, the first person ever diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, died at 7:51 a.m., according to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.

“He fought courageously in this battle,” the hospital said in a statement.” Our professionals, the doctors and nurses in the unit, as well as the entire Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas community, are also grieving his passing. We have offered the family our support and condolences at this difficult time.”

​Youngor Jallah, the daughter of Duncan’s girlfriend Louise Troh, could be heard weeping in the background during a phone call on Wednesday morning.

“Youngor is crying right now,” said Aaron Yah, Jallah’s husband. “She cannot talk.”

Family members gathered in Dallas were able to see Duncan on Monday at the hospital via a laptop camera in his hospital room. He was on dialysis and a respirator, according to health officials. Saymendy Lloyd, a family spokesperson, had said that the family was told that Duncan’s liver was improving and his fever was dropping.

Duncan traveled from Liberia to the United States last month. About five days later, he began developing symptoms and sought treatment at the hospital, but he was sent home for reasons that still remain unclear.

He was brought back in an ambulance two days later and placed in isolation. On Sept. 30, he was diagnosed with Ebola. Duncan had remained in critical condition for several days and had recently been given experimental treatment.
“I’m praying for my family to be okay,” Duncan’s 19-year-old son, Eric Karsiah Duncan, said at his mother’s church Tuesday night. “I am praying that my dad makes it out safely….I hope they find a cure.”

Duncan joined a handful of other Ebola patients who have received experimental drugs during the course of the outbreak.Two U.S. missionaries infected this summer while working in West Africa were given doses of another unapproved drug, known as ZMapp, but the limited supplies of that drug were soon exhausted. An experimental medicine from a Canadian company, Tekmira, was given to another American doctor who was flown to Nebraska from West Africa for treatment.

Duncan’s family members have questioned why experimental treatments were not used sooner. “We want him to live,” said Mawhen Jallah, 28, Troh’s daughter, said before he was given this treatment. “So we want the drug the other people used to get saved if they have it.”

Still, it will be difficult to know how much of a role the experimental drug ultimately played, said Thomas Geisbert, a professor at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston who has researched the Ebola virus for decades. Because Duncan was only given the drug so long after falling ill, it is unclear whether it could have helped.

“It may have been given so late that it doesn’t make a difference either way,” Geisbert said Monday.

Duncan had told his fiancee the day he was diagnosed that he regretted exposing her to the virus, saying that he never would have come to the United States if he knew he was infected.

“He apologized to Louise the day they told him what he had,” Lloyd said Tuesday. “He told her, ‘I’m so sorry all of this is happening. . . . I would not put the love of my life in danger.’ ”

Authorities who had spent time with Duncan’s relatives offered their condolences on Wednesday morning.

“My thoughts are with the family and friends of Thomas Eric Duncan at this time, especially his fiancée Louise, their son Karsiah and all those who loved him,” Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said in a statement Wednesday. “We are also thinking of the dedicated hospital staff who assisted Mr. Duncan daily while he fought this terrible disease. We offer prayers of comfort and peace to everyone impacted by his passing.”

State and local health officials, who continue to monitor dozens of people who had contact with Duncan for Ebola symptoms, also sent out messages aimed at the family:

“The past week has been an enormous test of our health system, but for one family it has been far more personal,” David Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, said in a statement. “Today they lost a dear member of their family. They have our sincere condolences, and we are keeping them in our thoughts.” The department vowed to continue fighting to contain the spread of Ebola in Texas. While authorities said about 10 people remain at high risk due to contact with Duncan, including relatives who have been isolated, no one else has shown any symptom of the disease so far.
 
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I think that a lot of people have been assuming that the high death rate (71% in the current epidemic, according the the latest analysis) of Ebola has been due to the poor medical care available in Africa, and that the death rate would be a lot lower in first-world countries. But now it's being reported that Thomas Eric Duncan has died, despite receiving first-class care in an American hospital.

I have no idea why people can't understand that the death rate for an illness is worse where medical care is virtually absent. It defies any sense at all.


It's pretty typical for people to engage in "us/them" reasoning in order to psychologically insulate themselves from frightening things that are happening to "that other group." And we in America are doing this right now with respect to Ebola.

Your analysis of reasoning is immaterial. It sucks to have ebola. It sucks to be in that region of Africa. It really really sucks to have ebola in that region of Africa. The refusal to acknowledge real and substantial differences between first world care and the cesspool which is Liberia is denial itself.
But there's still a lot we don't understand about this virus. Let's hope that it's as hard to catch, and as easy to control, as we're being told.

No, there's a lot that you and many don't understand but "we" aren't all clueless. The disease is well understood. Difficult to manage in places like Africa, but the virus is not magic and we aren't looking to balance the various humors to cure it. This isn't Godzilla in miniature.
 

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I have no idea why people can't understand that the death rate for an illness is worse where medical care is virtually absent. It defies any sense at all.

Us/Them




Your analysis of reasoning is immaterial. It sucks to have ebola. It sucks to be in that region of Africa. It really really sucks to have ebola in that region of Africa. The refusal to acknowledge real and substantial differences between first world care and the cesspool which is Liberia is denial itself.
Us/Them

No, there's a lot that you and many don't understand but "we" aren't all clueless. The disease is well understood. Difficult to manage in places like Africa, but the virus is not magic and we aren't looking to balance the various humors to cure it. This isn't Godzilla in miniature.

And I'll bet that if - right now - you and I took a comprehensive examination on the "conventional wisdom" on Ebola, I'd outscore you by a mile. But that's the difference between people like you, who can't even conceive of all of the things that YOU don't know, let alone what the medical community doesn't know, and me, who is very much aware of my own ignorance.

I certainly EXPECT that people in first-world countries won't face what those in Western Africa are now suffering from. But it's a long way from "expect" to certainty. You ought to learn the difference.
 

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Us/Them





Us/Them



And I'll bet that if - right now - you and I took a comprehensive examination on the "conventional wisdom" on Ebola, I'd outscore you by a mile. But that's the difference between people like you, who can't even conceive of all of the things that YOU don't know, let alone what the medical community doesn't know, and me, who is very much aware of my own ignorance.

I certainly EXPECT that people in first-world countries won't face what those in Western Africa are now suffering from. But it's a long way from "expect" to certainty. You ought to learn the difference.

Us/Them- Of course there's an us/them. They are in the shit. You think there's no such thing? Go live there and come back and say you can't see a difference. How about going to a famine ravaged land and come back with "Well we can't talk about us and them."

As far as the latter your ignorance is your own problem. You are ignorant, but choose think yourself wise for remaining that way. Egads. Next thing you are going to advocate 6 day creationism.
 

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And I'll bet that if - right now - you and I took a comprehensive examination on the "conventional wisdom" on Ebola, I'd outscore you by a mile.

Really? Well that's awesome. What's your scientific background on the subject?
 

shira

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Really? Well that's awesome. What's your scientific background on the subject?

Since when is claiming to having far superior knowledge on a subject equivalent to claiming a "scientific background" on the subject? Are you really this stupid?

Edit: And a little sampler of what you think you know but actually don't know about Ebola:

Question: What was the result of the study performed on Ebola Reston to determine if purely airborne transmission was a LIKELY mode of infection of that variety of EBV?
 
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I think that a lot of people have been assuming that the high death rate (71% in the current epidemic, according the the latest analysis) of Ebola has been due to the poor medical care available in Africa, and that the death rate would be a lot lower in first-world countries. But now it's being reported that Thomas Eric Duncan has died, despite receiving first-class care in an American hospital.

How do you extrapolate that one person dying from Ebola in a US Hospital equals better health care doesn't lower the Ebola mortality rate?
 

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How do you extrapolate that one person dying from Ebola in a US Hospital equals better health care doesn't lower the Ebola mortality rate?

Did I make an extrapolation? Since when is stating "There's a lot we don't know" equivalent to making an extrapolation?
 

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Did I make an extrapolation? Since when is stating "There's a lot we don't know" equivalent to making an extrapolation?

You opened with this. We can make no judgement based on the death of one person if quality of medical care affects mortality.

I think that a lot of people have been assuming that the high death rate (71% in the current epidemic, according the the latest analysis) of Ebola has been due to the poor medical care available in Africa, and that the death rate would be a lot lower in first-world countries.
 

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Really interested to see how many of the people who had contact with him start showing symptoms...
 

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Why didn't they start him on treatment sooner? Why was he not given the same drug as that other dude? Why would they turn him away at the hospital the first time? Why did this idiot not insist that he may have Ebola since he traveled to an area of the world where there was an outbreak? Why did they run out of the other drug that seemed to help that other dude?
 

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Really interested to see how many of the people who had contact with him start showing symptoms...

This- This will tell us a lot about how easily this can be transmitted in a 1st world country.
 

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Since when is claiming to having far superior knowledge on a subject equivalent to claiming a "scientific background" on the subject? Are you really this stupid?

Edit: And a little sampler of what you think you know but actually don't know about Ebola:

Question: What was the result of the study performed on Ebola Reston to determine if purely airborne transmission was a LIKELY mode of infection of that version of the virus?

Reston? Seriously? You fall back on a single study of a nonpathogenic variant, while ignoring there is not one case of airborne disease by our problematic organism, which you apparently think hasn't been examined in detail. Forgot about me for now and tell us, who's in on this conspiracy? The WHO? CDC? NIH? Academia? Evil scientists? Obama?
Since you are determined to be fearful and ignorant can suffice.
 

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I have to say: this thread delivers. Because, a single patient has died of Ebola in the US, it automatically discredits our entire notion that first world treatment helps reduce the mortality rate of a disease...

Historically, Ebola's mortality rate is about 50%. It is higher in African nations.
 

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Why didn't they start him on treatment sooner? Why was he not given the same drug as that other dude? Why would they turn him away at the hospital the first time? Why did this idiot not insist that he may have Ebola since he traveled to an area of the world where there was an outbreak? Why did they run out of the other drug that seemed to help that other dude?

At the cases in Atlanta the hospitals were expecting their patients so they pretty much had a solid plan going in instead of a emergency contingency plan. Also there are no more doses of ZMAP available. It takes weeks if not months to produce the drugs. He was given a different experimental drug.

As for why they turned him away the first time that is gross incompetence.
 

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I have to say: this thread delivers. Because, a single patient has died of Ebola in the US, it automatically discredits our entire notion that first world treatment helps reduce the mortality rate of a disease...

Historically, Ebola's mortality rate is about 50%. It is higher in African nations.


Good god that is a lethal motherfucker. If it goes airborne at that mortality rate, I think I will bunker myself up in my cabin up north for about a year.
 

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At the cases in Atlanta the hospitals were expecting their patients so they pretty much had a solid plan going in instead of a emergency contingency plan. Also there are no more doses of ZMAP available. It takes weeks if not months to produce the drugs. He was given a different experimental drug.

As for why they turned him away the first time that is gross incompetence.

This. And from what I understand, the remaining doses of ZMAP were sent to Africa.

/waits for the usual suspects to come out and accuse the hospital of racism.
 
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This. And from what I understand, the remaining doses of ZMAP were sent to Africa.

/waits for the usual suspects to come out and accuse the hospital of racism.
Don't worry...Jesse Jackson is on it!

"I don't want to say that, only because that could become the headline," he said. "Whether you are white in Atlanta or whether you are white in Nebraska or black in Dallas — we know there's different treatment among blacks in this country."
 
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