"Thank you, Israel"

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Aisengard
If everyone left Israel alone, there would be peace.

If Israel left everyone alone, there would be no Israel.

There has still yet to be an effective argument against this line of logic, by anyone.

Israel failed to "leave everyone alone" when they claimed Palestine.

Creating Israel in the heart of an Arab Middle East was a mistake.

You are in the bottom 3 worst posters on this board, imo

Fortunately for me your opinion is completely worthless.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Excuse me? The BRITISH GAVE them "Palestine".

Nevermind the fact that there was NEVER A COUNTRY NAMED PALESTINE.

And what is your solution now that "mistake" has been made 60 years ago? Boot everyone out? Is that how you justify the suicide bombings and rocket attacks on Israeli towns? By something that happened 60 years ago, and that no one alive today had any control over?

I assume you would also support a Black Panther group today, because there were plenty of mistakes back then regarding black people.

What have the British the right to give away land another people were living on?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
If everyone left Israel alone, there would be peace.

If Israel left everyone alone, there would be no Israel.

There has still yet to be an effective argument against this line of logic, by anyone.

Heh, so I guess you are saying Israel can do whatever they want and Arabs should just take it up their @ss. Yeap, that's sure logical to me.

As long as Israel don't leave Palestinian and everyone in the ME alone, Arab won't leave Israel alone, and vice versa, it's simple as that.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: RichardE
You are going after pety details now. How about you try making a nice post on why the Palestinians deserve there own state after there actions the last 60 years.

I believe they DO deserve their own state!

However, thats not really what they want unless having their own state means ALL the land and NO Jews. If they wanted their own state, they could've had it by now, and thats the simple truth.

 

[BBond]

If the offenses against Eurpoean Jews occured in Germany, and the USA and Allied powers won WWII, why didn't they annex part of GERMANY as a Jewish state?

Why punish the Palestinians for the offenses of the Nazis?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Aisengard
If everyone left Israel alone, there would be peace.

If Israel left everyone alone, there would be no Israel.

There has still yet to be an effective argument against this line of logic, by anyone.

Heh, so I guess you are saying Israel can do whatever they want and Arabs should just take it up their @ss. Yeap, that's sure logical to me.

As long as Israel don't leave Palestinian and everyone in the ME alone, Arab won't leave Israel alone, and vice versa, it's simple as that.

They are just regurgitating the part line. Please don't try to bring both sides of the argument into this.

Israel = GOOD

Arabs = BAD

:roll:

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: BBond
If the offenses against Eurpoean Jews occured in Germany, and the USA and Allied powers won WWII, why didn't they annex part of GERMANY as a Jewish state?

Why punish the Palestinians for the offenses of the Nazis?

Because there were already Jews in Palestine, just as there have been for the past 4000 years (its where they came from). How long have the Palestinians been there? Did they come from there? No, they didn't. Sorry.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: BBond
Israel failed to "leave everyone alone" when they claimed Palestine.

Creating Israel in the heart of an Arab Middle East was a mistake.

Originally posted by: BBond
Why punish the Palestinians for the offenses of the Nazis?

You have no idea about what you are talking about. As I have pointed out before, Israel would have been created regardless of British intervention. There was an enormous amount of violence and tension between the Jews, who immigrated to Palestine to get away from Europe, and the Arabs who were already living there. If Britain had not "intervened" the country would most certainly have descended into civil war and an Israel-like state would have been formed anyways (along with a separate Arab state).

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
That doesn't answer my question.

1947 Plan

A Two state country.. Palestine rejected it

Ah I suppose I should have realzed that Buck was reaching back into history nearly 60 years for his argument.

No I wasn't. The Palestinians rejected another more realistic deal, which included even East Jerusalem for their capital and return and/or compensation for the refugees, in 2000. It amounted to over 90% of what Palestine has claimed to want all these years and included points the Israelis were never willing to concede previously, and the Palestinians refused to even make a counter-proposal when given the chance to modify the terms!!! Which again proves their real objective is not a Palestinian state, but genocide and perpetual racist-religious war.

So once again, I get the idea that your arguments are based purely on gut feeling or political affiliation rather than a familiarity with the actual situation. How can you feel so strongly about something of which you know so little? Did you just flip a coin and pick a side?

Did you just flip a coin to trick yourself into misbelieving that I don't know what I'm talking about? Your claim was:

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
The Palestinians were offered exactly what they've claimed to want for the past 60 years of terrorism, hijackings, and suicide bombings, and they rejected it.

Becuase I don't want to be being manipulated by evil men, can you please specifcy exactly what you are claiming here? What offer?

Your argument of Camp David II doesn't back that claim.

You are going after pety details now. How about you try making a nice post on why the Palestinians deserve there own state after there actions the last 60 years.

I"m going after the facts while you and Buck are working to skew them. The Palestinians have not been offered an end to Israeli the occupation across the green line, Israel has shown no intent to end her occupation of various portions of that land.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: BBond
Israel failed to "leave everyone alone" when they claimed Palestine.

Creating Israel in the heart of an Arab Middle East was a mistake.

Originally posted by: BBond
Why punish the Palestinians for the offenses of the Nazis?

You have no idea about what you are talking about. As I have pointed out before, Israel would have been created regardless of British intervention. There was an enormous amount of violence and tension between the Jews, who immigrated to Palestine to get away from Europe, and the Arabs who were already living there. If Britain had not "intervened" the country would most certainly have descended into civil war and an Israel-like state would have been formed anyways (along with a separate Arab state).

Oh, you mean just like it is today only with Israel armed to the teeth by its superpower allies while the Palestinians live like dogs?

And you have the nerve to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: BBond
Israel failed to "leave everyone alone" when they claimed Palestine.

Creating Israel in the heart of an Arab Middle East was a mistake.

Originally posted by: BBond
Why punish the Palestinians for the offenses of the Nazis?

You have no idea about what you are talking about. As I have pointed out before, Israel would have been created regardless of British intervention. There was an enormous amount of violence and tension between the Jews, who immigrated to Palestine to get away from Europe, and the Arabs who were already living there. If Britain had not "intervened" the country would most certainly have descended into civil war and an Israel-like state would have been formed anyways (along with a separate Arab state).

Oh, so you're one of those people who believe that the Jewish people were given this land by God?

Who lived there before the Israelites?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: BBond
If the offenses against Eurpoean Jews occured in Germany, and the USA and Allied powers won WWII, why didn't they annex part of GERMANY as a Jewish state?

Why punish the Palestinians for the offenses of the Nazis?

Because there were already Jews in Palestine, just as there have been for the past 4000 years (its where they came from). How long have the Palestinians been there? Did they come from there? No, they didn't. Sorry.

That statement just shows how ignorant you are. Jewish people accounted for only roughly 11% of the populateion in Palestine on 1921 when British annexed Palestine as a Jewish state.

source

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: BBond
If the offenses against Eurpoean Jews occured in Germany, and the USA and Allied powers won WWII, why didn't they annex part of GERMANY as a Jewish state?

Why punish the Palestinians for the offenses of the Nazis?

Because there were already Jews in Palestine, just as there have been for the past 4000 years (its where they came from). How long have the Palestinians been there? Did they come from there? No, they didn't. Sorry.

That statement just shows how ignorant you are. Jewish people accounted for only roughly 11% of the populateion in Palestine on 1921 when British annexed Palestine as a Jewish state.

source

The entire Middle East problem rests on the assumption that the Jewish people have a right to this land. Where did they get this right? Who gave the Jewish people this land?

It wasn't the British. :roll:

Earlier in this thread I mentioned that the Jewish people feel they were given this land by God and therefore they have a right to it. I was asked to prove that and I was told that nowhere does the current nation of Israel claim this land as a birthright from God. Yet that is exactly what people are now claiming here.

Now given the fact that the Torah and the Bible are the source of this information and considering who wrote these books does anyone else find it odd that the land the Palestinian people were living on was given to the Jewish people because their forebears wrote books that claimed God gave them this land? And how can anyone expect anything but war and strife in light of the way the Palestinian people were treated in 1949 and all the way to the present.

If someone produced an ancient text written by their forebears that claimed to give YOUR land to them would you fight to get YOUR land back? I think most people would answer "YES!"

 

[BBond]

Here is an enlightening piece from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

I want to become an Israeli citizen. I'm not Jewish. Do you think I have a chance?

Acquisition of Israeli Nationality

Do you think these requirements are the earmark of a democratic state?

Why does the USA support a Jewish theocracy in Israel yet oppose Muslim theocracies in Iran and other Arab states?

 

[BBond]

Exodus Chapter 23

9 You shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the feelings of the stranger, having yourselves been strangers in the land of Egypt.

 

[The Raven]

Originally posted by: BBond
Here is an enlightening piece from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

I want to become an Israeli citizen. I'm not Jewish. Do you think I have a chance?

Acquisition of Israeli Nationality

Do you think these requirements are the earmark of a democratic state?

Why does the USA support a Jewish theocracy in Israel yet oppose Muslim theocracies in Iran and other Arab states?

Sure, why not? (Sorry if I missed something. Please correct me here if I did) Is the US a theocracy too just because their $ says in God we trust? No. I think it just shows their thanks to God (or supreme being). Doesn`t mean that everyone must believe it and that the government is controlled by the word of God. Oh whoops I mean G**.

 

[The Raven]

Originally posted by: BBond
Here is more on what the world has to "thank" Israel for from an American who considers himself "lucky" enough to be a refugee and wonders rightly why he and others who are lucky enough to be able to leave Lebanon are the story?

Evacuation of Westerners from Lebanon

Why are We the Story?

Patrick McGreevy writes from Beirut:

' Why Are We the Story?

We woke up this morning to a crowded sea. From our Beirut balcony, we could see a steady parade of warships, ferries...
...can we ever expect the western media to report what is significant rather than what will entertain its audience?

Patrick McGreevy '

This is interesting but very understandable. Since I am American, I want to hear about my own people. Just like why BLACK people like watching BLACK Entertainment Television. It doesn`t mean they are ignorant to the rest of the world but that they want to watch after their own. I bet in Lebanon they have reported an inverse amount about the westerners. Hell, we should talk up the loss of western life as much as possible so that people will pay attention to what is happening.

 

[BBond]

I must say you're analogies are WAY off base.

The U.S. dollar may say "In God We Trust" but you don't have to be a Christian to obtain citizenship in the USA. You DO have to be Jewish to obtain citizenship in Israel.

The idea that "BLACK" people might like watching "BLACK" Entertainment Television (if that is the case, I'm sure many "WHITE" people watch it too) is not a valid comparison with a major news event like the Israeli air force bombing Lebanon back into the stone age. The idea that westerners are garnering so much attention in our press is, apparently, even making some of THEM uncomfortable after witnessing what is the real story.

Western media, IMO, is reporting on westerners because the story coming out of Lebanon is too big to ignore and they would rather report on filler than actually show the world the truth about the massacre the Israelis are carrying out in Lebanon. The U.S. corporate owned press is doing in Lebanon just what they've done for years in Iraq. They are minimizing the real story and reporting secondary stories and "human interest" to evade reporting the awful truth.

 

[The Raven]

Originally posted by: BBond

You DO have to be Jewish to obtain citizenship in Israel.

The idea that "BLACK" people might like watching "BLACK" Entertainment Television (if that is the case, I'm sure many "WHITE" people watch it too) is not a valid comparison with a major news event like the Israeli air force bombing Lebanon back into the stone age. The idea that westerners are garnering so much attention in our press is, apparently, even making some of THEM uncomfortable after witnessing what is the real story.

Western media, IMO, is reporting on westerners because the story coming out of Lebanon is too big to ignore and they would rather report on filler than actually show the world the truth about the massacre the Israelis are carrying out in Lebanon. The U.S. corporate owned press is doing in Lebanon just what they've done for years in Iraq. They are minimizing the real story and reporting secondary stories and "human interest" to evade reporting the awful truth.

Where did you get your info about having to be Jewish to become a citizen? That link you provided says that pretty much anyone can.

I have watched the news from time to time in the past week and even Fox is talking about what is going on and barely mention the westerners in comparison to the main conflict. You are kinda making it sound like all they are talking about is westerners.

Why did you put BLACK in ""? BET is an acronym for black entertainment television.

I don't see how it is different though. Here's another analogy. I'm interested in computers and other tech. Therefore I read AT and it's forums. Just because I'm not interested in reading about sports on here doesn't mean that I don't think that they exist or that I don't want to learn about them. In fact its quite the contrary quite the contrary. I'm sorry but I hope that came out right. Do you see what I'm trying to say?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: BBond
If the offenses against Eurpoean Jews occured in Germany, and the USA and Allied powers won WWII, why didn't they annex part of GERMANY as a Jewish state?

Why punish the Palestinians for the offenses of the Nazis?

Because there were already Jews in Palestine, just as there have been for the past 4000 years (its where they came from). How long have the Palestinians been there? Did they come from there? No, they didn't. Sorry.

That statement just shows how ignorant you are. Jewish people accounted for only roughly 11% of the populateion in Palestine on 1921 when British annexed Palestine as a Jewish state.

source

No, I think what it really proves is that you aren't following the conversation and got all excited about the single fact you had to contribute. He said the Jews should've carved a state out of Europe after WWII, rather than in Palestine, as if it some foreign land. Its the same old myth, the Jews only arrived there in 1948, blah blah blah. The simple truth is this: they both live there, and short of genocide, they both are going to. The Israelis have accepted this, the Palestinians have not.

When offered 90% of their demands, including East Jerusalem and return or compensation for the refugees (two of the most contentious points), they refused to even make a counter proposal. I think its clear why, but if you guys want to keep your eyes shut for the sake of cheap political affiliation, then go right ahead. History will prove you wrong...or more wrong than it already has.

The side you hate has already bought what you're trying to sell them, while the side you favor has refused to even negotiate a price. Ask yourself why? Seriously, I'd love to hear it; why? And can you please tell me, in your honest opinion, what last term would make them accept the 2000 offer?

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: BBond
Israel failed to "leave everyone alone" when they claimed Palestine.

Creating Israel in the heart of an Arab Middle East was a mistake.

Originally posted by: BBond
Why punish the Palestinians for the offenses of the Nazis?

You have no idea about what you are talking about. As I have pointed out before, Israel would have been created regardless of British intervention. There was an enormous amount of violence and tension between the Jews, who immigrated to Palestine to get away from Europe, and the Arabs who were already living there. If Britain had not "intervened" the country would most certainly have descended into civil war and an Israel-like state would have been formed anyways (along with a separate Arab state).

Oh, so you're one of those people who believe that the Jewish people were given this land by God?

Who lived there before the Israelites?

I didn't realize that "created to try and stop the violence" = "given by God".

 

[Deptacon]

wow, this thread goes from one thing to the next, i see why i dont post in this section anymore, its one big political c0ck fight, seeing who's internet linkage and and snobby educational pointers are bigger and better...... this whole section needs to be closed...

anyways, i concure, thank you israel, years of open support and harboring of terrorists get you one thing, a tank in your back yard......that doesnt have your flag on it...

 

[BBond]

Oh, and a tank in every back yard is a solution? It's working SO WELL in Iraq.

:roll:

Even our few remaining allies are getting sick and tired of the Israeli massacre of Lebanon.

US Isolated as Rift Grows with UK

Rift opens between Britain and US over Israeli offensive

More reasons to thank Israel.

:roll:

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: BBond
Oh, and a tank in every back yard is a solution? It's working SO WELL in Iraq.

:roll:

Even our few remaining allies are getting sick and tired of the Israeli massacre of Lebanon.

US Isolated as Rift Grows with UK

Rift opens between Britain and US over Israeli offensive

More reasons to thank Israel.

:roll:

hey hey, there they are! the links! LINKS! give em LINKS!

i really REALLy wanna know what movement or website you guys work for..... i really do, cause you guys spill this crap day and night...they pay you overtime for the weekends?

and WTF would you know what is and is not working in IRAQ? have you been there? seen it yourself with your own eyes, or do you believe everything you see on tv.....

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
If everyone left Israel alone, there would be peace.

If Israel left everyone alone, there would be no Israel.

There has still yet to be an effective argument against this line of logic, by anyone.

well said.