Excellent and unbiased site :roll:
With articles such as this:
"Move Israel, abolish the Islamic threat."
Excellent and unbiased site :roll:Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Here is a good spot for unfiltered opinions from Lebanon, Israel and the general area:
http://truthlaidbear.com/mideastcrisis.php
Originally posted by: DrCrap
To OP and the rest of our (Israel) fans, don't thank us, f***ing join us.
There's plenty of f'n terrorists for everyone here, you might as well join in and grab them while you can, while they're still here (ME), since tomorrow they will be in NY or and other major states taking their toll, and you can deny it all you want, but deep down you know I'm right.
Yeah... the BBC is very objective when it comes to Israel. :roll:Originally posted by: BBond
The BBC reporter said that not five minutes from where he was standing is a CIVILIAN home that was destroyed by Israeli bombs. Trapped inside that home, now presumed DEAD was an international UN OFFICIAL AND HIS WIFE.
If Israel wanted to bomb civilians, don't you think that with dozens of attacks per day there'd be more than 20 casualties?Originally posted by: BBond
Israel has as little consideration for civilian casualties as Hezbollah. Only difference is, with U.S. weapons at your disposal you are very much more efficient at killing civilians than Hezbollah.
Originally posted by: Meuge
Yeah... the BBC is very objective when it comes to Israel. :roll:Originally posted by: BBond
The BBC reporter said that not five minutes from where he was standing is a CIVILIAN home that was destroyed by Israeli bombs. Trapped inside that home, now presumed DEAD was an international UN OFFICIAL AND HIS WIFE.
If Israel wanted to bomb civilians, don't you think that with dozens of attacks per day there'd be more than 20 casualties?Originally posted by: BBond
Israel has as little consideration for civilian casualties as Hezbollah. Only difference is, with U.S. weapons at your disposal you are very much more efficient at killing civilians than Hezbollah.
The Israeli attack on Lebanon has entered its second week and the death toll now stands at about 300, nearly all Lebanese civilians. We go to Beirut to speak with Robert Fisk, chief Middle East correspondent for the London Independent. Fisk discusses the assault on Lebanon, Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, the role of Syria and Iran in the crisis, embedded reporters in the Israeli military and more.[includes rush transcript - partial]
The Israeli attack on Lebanon has entered its second week and the death toll now stands at about 300, nearly all Lebanese civilians. The humanitarian crisis continues to worsen with hundreds of thousands of people displaced from their homes.
For a report from Lebanon on the crisis we turn to journalist Robert Fisk. He is the chief Middle East correspondent for the London Independent and has lived in Beirut for over two decades. He is author of "Pity the Nation: The Abduction of Lebanon." His latest book is "The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East. We reached him Tuesday at his home in Beirut. He spoke about the Israeli assault on Lebanon, Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, the role of Syria and Iran in the crisis, embedded reporters in the Israeli military and more.
* Robert Fisk, chief Middle East correspondent for the London Independent. He joins us on the line from Beirut.
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AMY GOODMAN: For a report from Lebanon on the crisis today, we turn to journalist Robert Fisk. He's the chief Middle East correspondent for the London Independent. He's lived in Beirut for almost three decades. He's the author of Pity the Nation: The Abduction of Lebanon. His latest book is The Great War for Civilization: The Conquest of the Middle East. We reached him late yesterday at his home in Beirut. He spoke about the Israeli assault on Lebanon.
ROBERT FISK: What's happening is obviously the mass punishment of a whole people, the Lebanese, in response to the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of three others on Wednesday of last week. The death toll now has just topped 240 in the last few minutes. We've -- almost all of the Lebanese dead are civilians, of course, as usual. The Americans, in the usual pusillanimous way of Mr. Bush, are doing nothing to prevent this from taking place.
It amazes me -- I mean, living here in Beirut, as I have for 30 years. Here are the Lebanese people, sophisticated, educated, cosmopolitan, people who don't look like the Arab world, they look like us; I mean, people who could be quite at home on the streets of Paris or New York and London, and some of them are; people who read, who are very well educated; people who speak English fluently, French beautifully, and fluent Arabic, as well, of course; and who, when they die in such large numbers, the best we can produce is a call for restraint by the State Department and a claim by the British, our own dear Tony Blair, that the Israelis are using disproportionate force.
The exchange rate for neutral slaughter between Israel and here at the moment is now 1 to 10. 24 Israelis ? I think 25 now -- to 242 Lebanese, many of whom, as I say, most of whom, but a far larger proportion of civilians. Many Beirut people were very moved Saturday when the Lebanese Beirut newspapers carried a very, very tragic picture of a young girl, a little girl -- must have been 4 or 5 years old -- near a place called Ter Hafra, lying dead in a field in her blue pajamas, looking, as I said in my newspaper, very similar to that terrifying picture from Poland in 1939 of a little Polish girl lying dead with her weeping sister beside her.
I did receive a phone call today from an Israeli woman living in the East Coast of the United States, who said she thought that what was being done to the Lebanese was unforgivable. I thought she was a very generous and good woman, saying she prayed for the Lebanese people and the Palestinians, and for the Israelis, of course.
But it's a tragedy of immense proportions, because it?s also tearing apart a country. In the last 24 hours we found the Israelis have turned to attacking a milk factory, Liban Lait -- it?s actually the producers of milk I drink every morning in my tea -- a paper box factory, for heaven?s sakes, hardly a terrorist target. We've already seen them smash up the runways of Beirut Airport and destroy part of the -- most of the lighthouse, the new Manara lighthouse, in Beirut. The Israelis today even attacked the factory which imports Procter & Gamble goods here. We've had an ambulance convoy, a convoy of new ambulances from the United Emirates, cross from Syria into Lebanon, got attacked from the air. It's an all-out war against the economy infrastructure of a country that was at last beginning to look modern again, after the 15 years of civil war, which cost 150,000 lives. And it's very sad to see.
I think the massacre of the innocents must obviously apply to both sides. The Israeli dead have an equal right to that claim. But the scale -- I mean, ?disproportionate? is not the word for it -- the scale of the response is obscene. Even a small example, I?ll give you. Yesterday, something fell out of the sky over a small area of Beirut called Qurashim [sic]. I think it was part of the wing, the wingtip of an F-16. The Israelis say it?s not, but I think it probably was. And it crashed in a fiery volcano glow and burned trees, bushes, the roadway, and decapitated a young man in his car who was driving home to his family.
I got there in about eight minutes. And there were three very friendly Lebanese soldiers. By chance, I knew one of them, the sergeant, who said, ?Mr. Robert, you must be very careful. The Israelis will come back and bomb again, but we?ll take you into the fire and show you as much as we can.? And they stood around me and protected me as we went up the road for about a mile walking -- or running, to be very honest with you, because Mr. Fisk here is not a very brave warrior. And I saw parts of what appears to be a wing. I think it was burning fuel all over the road. I think it came out of whatever the aircraft was. I think what actually happened is a Hezbollah missile probably hit an F-16, and the Israelis didn't want to claim it. They said that it was part of a barrel containing propaganda pamphlets and leaflets, which -- well, I didn't see leaflets anyway, and I know they burn on fuel, but anyway, I saw what I could and got away afterwards and said, you know, waved at the soldiers and thanked them.
And the Israelis did come back some hours later and bombed the barracks of these soldiers, which were members of a logistics unit. Their job was to repair bridges and electrical lines. They weren't combat soldiers. And they killed ten Lebanese soldiers, including the three young men who had protected me the previous day. This was outrageous, because the Israelis know what each individual Lebanese army unit is doing. They know if it's a combat unit, armored personnel carriers, helicopters, whatever.
And they picked on this sole barracks to destroy those men, to exterminate them, because, of course, their job was to keep Beirut alive, to keep the power systems running, to repair the bridges which were being destroyed -- 46 bridges now, according to Minister of Finance, who told me this a few hours ago, have been destroyed in Lebanon. This is the inheritance, of course, of former prime minister, assassinated prime minister Rafik Hariri, who was murdered on the 14th of February last year. He rebuilt this country. He rebuilt the city of Beirut. Now, bit by bit the bridges, the lighthouse, the international airport are being destroyed.
AMY GOODMAN: When Robert Fisk was almost killed by an angry Afghan mob, when he was covering the war in Afghanistan, Rafik Hariri called him after he had gotten out of that situation, almost died, and asked if he could send a plane. But Robert Fisk said he felt that was inappropriate to receive anything from a government or former government official.
Well, on Tuesday the Lebanese prime minister said Israel's opening the gates of hell and madness in his country and urged Hezbollah to release the two captured Israeli soldiers, but said Israel's response has been disproportionate. I asked Robert Fisk about the Prime Minister's comments.
ROBERT FISK: You know, I know Fouad Siniora, the Lebanese prime minister, quite well, and I like him very much. And he's a very affable, friendly and honorable man, but his response has been pretty pathetic. You know, to call the Israeli response ?disproportionate? is to go along with the European, the E.U.'s equally pusillanimous response. Roaring on about gates of hell is not something that Lebanese prime ministers can do. He appeared on television not long ago crying, which I don't think Winston Churchill was doing in May of 1940. But he's not Rafik Hariri and never claimed to be. He's an economist, not a professional politician.
The usual problem -- I mean, the moment the attack took place, the Israelis blamed the Lebanese government, who can't even control a water faucet, let alone a Hezbollah militia man. And that, by saying the Lebanese were responsible, gave them the excuse to start destroying the infrastructure of Lebanon. Even the beautiful new viaduct that Hariri had built on the transnational highway to Syria has been broken by the Israeli bomber strikes. I?ve been there and seen it and stood on it.
You know, what it needs is a government, which -- there's no power in the Lebanese army. It?s 50,000 strong, but they can't defend Lebanon. And there's only three Vietnam-era helicopters or some ancient hawk hunter fighters belonging to Lebanon. They can't fight off the Israelis.
But, you know, I asked tonight, for example, the Minister of Finance whether he's considered suing the major American armaments manufacturers, who are producing the missiles, who are killing all of these innocent people here. And he hadn't thought of it. You know, I mean, most of the missiles which are landing here are made in Seattle and in Miami, Florida, by Lockheed Martin or Boeing.
But it's as if you've got this little tiny parish council, you know, parish pump government. And they talk about the gates of hell, and then they talk about disproportionate, and then they cry. I?m afraid that's not a way to run a country. But Lebanon is a very small weak country, and Israel is a nuclear-powered superpower, nuclear-armed superpower; what can you do?
AMY GOODMAN: Robert Fisk speaking from his home in Beirut late Tuesday night. We'll come back to the interview in a minute.
First, LMAO at calling me a neocon.Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Meuge
Yeah... the BBC is very objective when it comes to Israel. :roll:Originally posted by: BBond
The BBC reporter said that not five minutes from where he was standing is a CIVILIAN home that was destroyed by Israeli bombs. Trapped inside that home, now presumed DEAD was an international UN OFFICIAL AND HIS WIFE.
If Israel wanted to bomb civilians, don't you think that with dozens of attacks per day there'd be more than 20 casualties?Originally posted by: BBond
Israel has as little consideration for civilian casualties as Hezbollah. Only difference is, with U.S. weapons at your disposal you are very much more efficient at killing civilians than Hezbollah.
As usual you neocons refuse to address the facts as they are presented, instead you insist on attacking the source.
[/quote]Originally posted by: BBond
And as you neocons are fond of saying, "What the hell have you been smoking?"
TWENTY CASUALTIES???
Read on and try to get a grip on the facts...
Yeah... 20-30 per day makes 300.Originally posted by: Meuge
First, LMAO at calling me a neocon.Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Meuge
Yeah... the BBC is very objective when it comes to Israel. :roll:Originally posted by: BBond
The BBC reporter said that not five minutes from where he was standing is a CIVILIAN home that was destroyed by Israeli bombs. Trapped inside that home, now presumed DEAD was an international UN OFFICIAL AND HIS WIFE.
If Israel wanted to bomb civilians, don't you think that with dozens of attacks per day there'd be more than 20 casualties?Originally posted by: BBond
Israel has as little consideration for civilian casualties as Hezbollah. Only difference is, with U.S. weapons at your disposal you are very much more efficient at killing civilians than Hezbollah.
As usual you neocons refuse to address the facts as they are presented, instead you insist on attacking the source.
Second, I have no interest of addressing BBC's "facts", just as they have no interest in addressing the "facts" of the situation in the ME.
Do you have any information to refute the facts in the BBC report?
Originally posted by: BBond
And as you neocons are fond of saying, "What the hell have you been smoking?"
TWENTY CASUALTIES???
Read on and try to get a grip on the facts...
Firstly, I find your math insulting. Second, you completely failed to address the issue. I'll repeat it for posterity:Originally posted by: BBond
The Israelis and their American neocon counterparts are fond of using ridiculous examples of how many Israeli lives are equal to the same porportion of American lives due to Israel's smaller population.
How many American lives would 300 Lebanese lives be equal to using the same morbid equation? I Googled the Lebanese, Israeli, and U.S. populaton figures. The population of Lebanon is approximately 3,826,018. The population of Israel is approximately 6,276,883. The population of the USA is approximately 295,734,134.
The Lebanese/U.S. population ratio is roughly 1 to 100. The 300 Lebanese who have been slaughtered by Israel, the vast majority of whom are civilians, would represent roughly 30,000 American lives using the propaganda formula Israel and the U.S. like to spout whenever the dead are Israelis.
30,000 equivalent Lebanese lives. Israel and their arms supplier, the USA, must be so very proud.
Heh. Maybe you missed "Zionist", lol... which is funny given my stance on the issue.Originally posted by: Genx87
I vote for meuge recieve the "Most diverse ideolouge(sp)" on this msgboard.
He has been called a
neocon
liberal
socialist
communist
conservative
Did I miss any?
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: DrCrap
To OP and the rest of our (Israel) fans, don't thank us, f***ing join us.
There's plenty of f'n terrorists for everyone here, you might as well join in and grab them while you can, while they're still here (ME), since tomorrow they will be in NY or and other major states taking their toll, and you can deny it all you want, but deep down you know I'm right.
Thanks to the perverse actions of george w. bush and the similar actions of Israel in Lebanon we can be sure there will be "plenty of f'n terrorists for everyone" -- you people are creating them at a fantastic rate -- bush by attacking Iraq with no justification and Israel attacking THE LEBANESE CIVILIAN POPULATION without justification.
What Israel is doing to Lebanon IS A WAR CRIME AND A CRIME AGAINS HUMANITY!
I watched CNN this morning -- a CNN reporter being shown around Lebanon, taken through deserted, destroyed CIVILIAN areas, civilian homes bombed to rubble, civilian apartment buildings bombed to rubble, civilain businesses bombed to rubble, because the Israelis decided it was OK for them to attack the civilian population of Lebanon instead of attacking their enemy, Hezbollah. Now you're creating more support for Hezbollah and more hatred against Israel just as bush created more support for al Qaeda and more hatred against the U.S. by attacking Iraq without justification.
I listened to BBC radio today. Civilian dwellings in Lebanon are being targeted by Israel as well as civilian infrastructure. The roads are so badly damaged that it is impossible to move heavy lifting equipment to the sites of these Israeli atrocities to rescue people trapped in the rubble. And even if the Lebanese try to move equipment the brave Israeli air force bombs them too!
The BBC reporter said that not five minutes from where he was standing is a CIVILIAN home that was destroyed by Israeli bombs. Trapped inside that home, now presumed DEAD was an international UN OFFICIAL AND HIS WIFE.
Good job, Israeli. I wonder, did Israeli inform their ally and largest arms supplier before they began their bombing of Lebanese civilian targets and infrastructure? I doubt it since our idiot in chief didn't even have time to start an evacuation of U.S. citizens from Lebanon until a week after you began bombing.
Do you ever stop to think that perhaps your actions in Lebanon, just as with the U.S. actions in Iraq, lead people to consider Israel the terrorists as well as Hezbollah?
Israel has as little consideration for civilian casualties as Hezbollah. Only difference is, with U.S. weapons at your disposal you are very much more efficient at killing civilians than Hezbollah.
Originally posted by: Meuge
Heh. Maybe you missed "Zionist", lol... which is funny given my stance on the issue.Originally posted by: Genx87
I vote for meuge recieve the "Most diverse ideolouge(sp)" on this msgboard.
He has been called a
neocon
liberal
socialist
communist
conservative
Did I miss any?
Funny though.
Originally posted by: Meuge
Firstly, I find your math insulting. Second, you completely failed to address the issue. I'll repeat it for posterity:Originally posted by: BBond
The Israelis and their American neocon counterparts are fond of using ridiculous examples of how many Israeli lives are equal to the same porportion of American lives due to Israel's smaller population.
How many American lives would 300 Lebanese lives be equal to using the same morbid equation? I Googled the Lebanese, Israeli, and U.S. populaton figures. The population of Lebanon is approximately 3,826,018. The population of Israel is approximately 6,276,883. The population of the USA is approximately 295,734,134.
The Lebanese/U.S. population ratio is roughly 1 to 100. The 300 Lebanese who have been slaughtered by Israel, the vast majority of whom are civilians, would represent roughly 30,000 American lives using the propaganda formula Israel and the U.S. like to spout whenever the dead are Israelis.
30,000 equivalent Lebanese lives. Israel and their arms supplier, the USA, must be so very proud.
1. There is less than 1 civilian casualty per airstrike.
2. Israelis are using laser-guided bombs.
=> so either 90+% of their bombs miss altogether, or they're not targeting civilians.
Well, that excuse works for our side so I suppose it works for their side too.Originally posted by: RichardE
That is what happens when a civilian population allows war criminals and terrorist to hide among them. They colaborated with the armed forces that attcked the state of Israel, they are fair game.
Originally posted by: Genx87
Only a true moron would try to use a ratio.
How many Chinese died in your world?
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Meuge
Firstly, I find your math insulting. Second, you completely failed to address the issue. I'll repeat it for posterity:Originally posted by: BBond
The Israelis and their American neocon counterparts are fond of using ridiculous examples of how many Israeli lives are equal to the same porportion of American lives due to Israel's smaller population.
How many American lives would 300 Lebanese lives be equal to using the same morbid equation? I Googled the Lebanese, Israeli, and U.S. populaton figures. The population of Lebanon is approximately 3,826,018. The population of Israel is approximately 6,276,883. The population of the USA is approximately 295,734,134.
The Lebanese/U.S. population ratio is roughly 1 to 100. The 300 Lebanese who have been slaughtered by Israel, the vast majority of whom are civilians, would represent roughly 30,000 American lives using the propaganda formula Israel and the U.S. like to spout whenever the dead are Israelis.
30,000 equivalent Lebanese lives. Israel and their arms supplier, the USA, must be so very proud.
1. There is less than 1 civilian casualty per airstrike.
2. Israelis are using laser-guided bombs.
=> so either 90+% of their bombs miss altogether, or they're not targeting civilians.
That isn't MY math. That's the math the Israelis, the U.S. government, and the U.S. press like to use every time there are Israeli civilians killed.
Why aren't you "insulted" then?
And the aggregate total of civilian dead has nothing to do with how many civilians are killed in each strike. I find THAT ridiculous notion insulting. Is there nothing you won't excuse with silly math?
Originally posted by: Islamistani
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Islamistani
Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: jrenz
Keep reading and listen- jihad happened in the 70's to the Lebanese - the 20's and 30's to the Armenians, - the Indonesians in the 80's and it's the same fate the Jihadies have for all nations.
No no you have it all wrong though! We just need to talk with them!
Who is "them"? That's the problem with you people, you seem to think that terrorists go around wearing "I'm a terrorist" hats and we just need to shoot 'em all and we'll win. Sorry, life's not that simple.
Muslims, who are now the majority of Lebanon's population, support Hizbullah because they are part of the Islamic ummah - the nation. This is the taboo subject everyone is trying to avoid.
"Them" is all of them. The entire Muslim world needs to be reformed because of their support of terrorism, which is not confined to some "radical" element, but is very mainstream.
When you get over your phobia of Muslims, remind yourself that Islam is the second largest faith, Muslims are by far more conformist that Christians, and the religion is th fastest growing across the world. Thank you, but Muslims do not need "reforms".
Yes, yes they do. Or they need to learn to deal with the consequences of not pulling there own in.
Perhaps you should take your own advice and save the lives of American soldiers in Iraq. 2500+ are already suffering the consequence of you not pulling your own in. I am a Muslim and I am doing fine, and in need of no reforms.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Meuge
Firstly, I find your math insulting. Second, you completely failed to address the issue. I'll repeat it for posterity:Originally posted by: BBond
The Israelis and their American neocon counterparts are fond of using ridiculous examples of how many Israeli lives are equal to the same porportion of American lives due to Israel's smaller population.
How many American lives would 300 Lebanese lives be equal to using the same morbid equation? I Googled the Lebanese, Israeli, and U.S. populaton figures. The population of Lebanon is approximately 3,826,018. The population of Israel is approximately 6,276,883. The population of the USA is approximately 295,734,134.
The Lebanese/U.S. population ratio is roughly 1 to 100. The 300 Lebanese who have been slaughtered by Israel, the vast majority of whom are civilians, would represent roughly 30,000 American lives using the propaganda formula Israel and the U.S. like to spout whenever the dead are Israelis.
30,000 equivalent Lebanese lives. Israel and their arms supplier, the USA, must be so very proud.
1. There is less than 1 civilian casualty per airstrike.
2. Israelis are using laser-guided bombs.
=> so either 90+% of their bombs miss altogether, or they're not targeting civilians.
That isn't MY math. That's the math the Israelis, the U.S. government, and the U.S. press like to use every time there are Israeli civilians killed.
Why aren't you "insulted" then?
And the aggregate total of civilian dead has nothing to do with how many civilians are killed in each strike. I find THAT ridiculous notion insulting. Is there nothing you won't excuse with silly math?
If you find simple ratios in a war, a act with assumes innocents will die insulting than you are a fool. Perhaps you enjoy using the same logic as "1000 people die each year from rocks flying out of lawnmowers, ban lawnmowers!" It doesn't matter if millions of lawnmowers are used each year, ratios don't matter right? Step back from your soapbox and try to look at the situation in a logical sense, I know this might be a stretch of your abilities, but at least the effort in there
If a country with the capabilities of laser guided bombs/missiles and a invasion force wanted to target the civilians of Lebannon over the last 2 weeks, we would see more than a hundred thousand casulties easily. The ones you see now are the idiots who did not leave when they were warned by mass leaflets droplets.
Please, take a deep breath of two, read back through your moronic rantings of a post and stop before you make yourself look like any more of a fool.
I just think, logically, if Israel wanted to kill Civilians, there would be alot more dead Civ's than 300, 1000 or even 10000.
They are bombing empty houses and the media is playing it up to get people to have an overeaction to it.
It is a site which monitors blogs from where this is all happening so of course it has all sorts of bias on all sides of the issue, I wasn't claming anything otherwise.Originally posted by: Meuge
Excellent and unbiased site :roll:Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Here is a good spot for unfiltered opinions from Lebanon, Israel and the general area:
http://truthlaidbear.com/mideastcrisis.php
With articles such as this:
"Move Israel, abolish the Islamic threat."
Yes they could killed many more civilians, but that does nothing to justfiy the deaths of the many civilians Israel has killed.Originally posted by: Meuge
I would think, that with its military force, the 50+ airstrikes per day by Israel would kill more civilians than that. What kind of collective punishment is it, if an airstrike kills less than one civilian, on average.
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Meuge
Firstly, I find your math insulting. Second, you completely failed to address the issue. I'll repeat it for posterity:Originally posted by: BBond
The Israelis and their American neocon counterparts are fond of using ridiculous examples of how many Israeli lives are equal to the same porportion of American lives due to Israel's smaller population.
How many American lives would 300 Lebanese lives be equal to using the same morbid equation? I Googled the Lebanese, Israeli, and U.S. populaton figures. The population of Lebanon is approximately 3,826,018. The population of Israel is approximately 6,276,883. The population of the USA is approximately 295,734,134.
The Lebanese/U.S. population ratio is roughly 1 to 100. The 300 Lebanese who have been slaughtered by Israel, the vast majority of whom are civilians, would represent roughly 30,000 American lives using the propaganda formula Israel and the U.S. like to spout whenever the dead are Israelis.
30,000 equivalent Lebanese lives. Israel and their arms supplier, the USA, must be so very proud.
1. There is less than 1 civilian casualty per airstrike.
2. Israelis are using laser-guided bombs.
=> so either 90+% of their bombs miss altogether, or they're not targeting civilians.
That isn't MY math. That's the math the Israelis, the U.S. government, and the U.S. press like to use every time there are Israeli civilians killed.
Why aren't you "insulted" then?
And the aggregate total of civilian dead has nothing to do with how many civilians are killed in each strike. I find THAT ridiculous notion insulting. Is there nothing you won't excuse with silly math?
If you find simple ratios in a war, a act with assumes innocents will die insulting than you are a fool. Perhaps you enjoy using the same logic as "1000 people die each year from rocks flying out of lawnmowers, ban lawnmowers!" It doesn't matter if millions of lawnmowers are used each year, ratios don't matter right? Step back from your soapbox and try to look at the situation in a logical sense, I know this might be a stretch of your abilities, but at least the effort in there
If a country with the capabilities of laser guided bombs/missiles and a invasion force wanted to target the civilians of Lebannon over the last 2 weeks, we would see more than a hundred thousand casulties easily. The ones you see now are the idiots who did not leave when they were warned by mass leaflets droplets.
Please, take a deep breath of two, read back through your moronic rantings of a post and stop before you make yourself look like any more of a fool.
I just think, logically, if Israel wanted to kill Civilians, there would be alot more dead Civ's than 300, 1000 or even 10000.
They are bombing empty houses and the media is playing it up to get people to have an overeaction to it.
First, the deaths reported are indeed deaths and they are civilian deaths.
Second, I used the ratio example to show how ridiculous it is for our own governemt to do the same with Israelis deaths. But tell me why I've never heard any of you people who are complaining about my use of this ratio game ever complain when our government is using it to inflate the importance of Israeli deaths.
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
It is a site which monitors blogs from where this is all happening so of course it has all sorts of bias on all sides of the issue, I wasn't claming anything otherwise.Originally posted by: Meuge
Excellent and unbiased site :roll:Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Here is a good spot for unfiltered opinions from Lebanon, Israel and the general area:
http://truthlaidbear.com/mideastcrisis.php
With articles such as this:
"Move Israel, abolish the Islamic threat."
Yes they could killed many more civilians, but that does nothing to justfiy the deaths of the many civilians Israel has killed.Originally posted by: Meuge
I would think, that with its military force, the 50+ airstrikes per day by Israel would kill more civilians than that. What kind of collective punishment is it, if an airstrike kills less than one civilian, on average.
Originally posted by: alchemize
So muslims breed really well, therefore they don't need reforms? Heh funny.
Calling for international help would have been a wonderful thing for Israel to take reasonable attempt at themselves before starting this war, and stopping this war and working down that path you suggest is still what should be done now.Originally posted by: Termagant...or at least call for help from the UN or some other organization/nation which could expel Hezbollah.