"Thank you, Israel"

[The Raven]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES AM I DEFENDING HEZBOLLAH...plz do not keep talking to me like i am...

The point is what Israel is doing...Hezbollah are animals and thats the end.....Is Israel about to become a murderous machine too??? this is the logic i do not understand

Thank you! If only Bond would say that. Go ahead buddy. I'tll be easy. Just use the quote button.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT

Unfortunatly Israel is not targeting civilians. I wish they would war would ceace (see my post above on evolutionary psychology & family responsibility) Unlike Hezbolla who rains down rockets indiscriminatly on Israels cities. The civilians that Israel kills is accidental while targeting, dual use, military and terrorist installations - Hez and Hamas is much more immoral. First by attacking first, second by thier targeting of only Israeli civilians.[q/]

In the same way the US wasnt targeting hospitals in Kosovo???? sorry but a "oops i m sorry , wrong target" doesnt cut it any more

It's not "oops wrong target", it's that they are forced to hit civilian targets because hizballah hides behind civilians. It's that simple, really not that hard to understand IMO

 

[alejandroAT]

I do not agree that an attack is an attack.....

This all is very familiar to me...this is the degenerate mentality that the western powerfull countries are using to brainwash their voters...During the war in Iraq i was watching US news on the internet out of curiosity . All i could see was coffins draped with union flags and filled with bodies of younf american SOLDIERS that wer unjustillu "murdered" by the evil muslims....No pictures of the maimed children and bombed hospitals and pieces of iraqi civilian body members that the rest of the world got to see!!

 

[alejandroAT]

i hate the quote button...it quotes the whole bloody thing and the thread becomes ridiculusly long

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES AM I DEFENDING HEZBOLLAH...plz do not keep talking to me like i am...

The point is what Israel is doing...Hezbollah are animals and thats the end.....Is Israel about to become a murderous machine too??? this is the logic i do not understand

Dude, Israel could have ended this war in a hour if they wanted with neutron tipped Jerico misslies. Instead they are risking many many men, 27 have died already, going house to house bumker to bunker fereting out Hezbolla members in order not to have large civilian casualites. To call them animals is dihonest and shows whom you really support.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES AM I DEFENDING HEZBOLLAH...plz do not keep talking to me like i am...

The point is what Israel is doing...Hezbollah are animals and thats the end.....Is Israel about to become a murderous machine too??? this is the logic i do not understand

Dude, Israel could have ended this war in a hour if they wanted with neutron tipped Jerico misslies. Instead they are risking many many men, 27 have died already, going house to house bumker to bunker fereting out Hezbolla members in order not to have large civilian casualites. To call them animals is dihonest and shows whom you really support.

GOOD POST ZEBO! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I do not agree that an attack is an attack.....

This all is very familiar to me...this is the degenerate mentality that the western powerfull countries are using to brainwash their voters...During the war in Iraq i was watching US news on the internet out of curiosity . All i could see was coffins draped with union flags and filled with bodies of younf american SOLDIERS that wer unjustillu "murdered" by the evil muslims....No pictures of the maimed children and bombed hospitals and pieces of iraqi civilian body members that the rest of the world got to see!!

Same goes both ways, everyone does this. America isn't speciel here and nor are "western powerfull countries".

 

[SpeedZealot369]

oops

 

[alejandroAT]

I support the innocent. bottom line. And i m not convinced that Israel could end it in an hour because if they used the method you described above they would be in trouble cause then the world (incuding the fanatics) would really come down upon them.

 

[alejandroAT]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES AM I DEFENDING HEZBOLLAH...plz do not keep talking to me like i am...

The point is what Israel is doing...Hezbollah are animals and thats the end.....Is Israel about to become a murderous machine too??? this is the logic i do not understand

Dude, Israel could have ended this war in a hour if they wanted with neutron tipped Jerico misslies. Instead they are risking many many men, 27 have died already, going house to house bumker to bunker fereting out Hezbolla members in order not to have large civilian casualites. To call them animals is dihonest and shows whom you really support.

GOOD POST ZEBO! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I do not agree that an attack is an attack.....

This all is very familiar to me...this is the degenerate mentality that the western powerfull countries are using to brainwash their voters...During the war in Iraq i was watching US news on the internet out of curiosity . All i could see was coffins draped with union flags and filled with bodies of younf american SOLDIERS that wer unjustillu "murdered" by the evil muslims....No pictures of the maimed children and bombed hospitals and pieces of iraqi civilian body members that the rest of the world got to see!!

Same goes both ways, everyone does this. America isn't speciel here and nor are "western powerfull countries".

Everyone does this? who is everyone? i can assure you that where i live we get everyones point of view.....my country is not allied with either side so here you go

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I do not agree that an attack is an attack.....

This all is very familiar to me...this is the degenerate mentality that the western powerfull countries are using to brainwash their voters...During the war in Iraq i was watching US news on the internet out of curiosity . All i could see was coffins draped with union flags and filled with bodies of younf american SOLDIERS that wer unjustillu "murdered" by the evil muslims....No pictures of the maimed children and bombed hospitals and pieces of iraqi civilian body members that the rest of the world got to see!!

Iraq war was a terrible injustice don't compare the two. Israel has been "rewarded" by 1000 misslies combined from WB/PAL/GAZA/HEZ since disengagement . If someone hit us with 1000 misslies, actually only one, all hell would break lose. Israel shows a appeasing restraint compared to USA.

 

[alejandroAT]

sorry if i dont reply for the next 8 hrs or so but its 5 in the morning and i have to draw a line

 

[SpeedZealot369]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I support the innocent. bottom line. And i m not convinced that Israel could end it in an hour because if they used the method you described above they would be in trouble cause then the world (incuding the fanatics) would really come down upon them.

Israeli civilians getting suicide bombed in their own country, are they not part of the innocent?


Either way, I'm all for peace and I hope the ME finds it sooner then later.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I d like to know what is your nationality Jaskalas...maybe we can find an example based on your country's history that will help you understand how the muslims feel.

I've been in the USA my entire life.

So now you'll recite Native Americans eh? It was horrific, but it's the past and thus no morality to this current conflict. Hell, if you want to use Native Americans as an example for this topic, I consider them more civilized and honorable than the terrorists we face today.

How dare you gander sympathy for unconventional armies that specifically operate to kill and use innocents as human shields. That is who we are fighting this day, and that is who you'd want me to understand? This is a war, they can surrender or be defeated, their bloodletting must end.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
quote: "Right.. Is that why jews create wealth and prosperity to everyone around them? by "stuffing themselves in a ghetto"? your whole argument is illogical."

Is that why the Nazzis got the whole german people with them in their fight against the Jews? because the germans were wealthy and prosperus because of the Jews?

quote: "Is that why nazi's tried to eradicate the jews? because they didn't make an effort to intergrate? "

Dont even dare to use the Nazzi argument...they are looong gone and they only were around for 10 years....Turks are trying to eradicate Armenians and Kurds for 400 years...yep thats four hundred years not a typo...i dont see any of them causing such mayhem and destruction.

quote: "I'm getting tired of this pro arab gang in this thread, and I feel bad for how convinced you are that what you think is the truth when it's the most rediculous things I've ever heard. "

you must be getting tired of the whole world then......and you must also think that the whole world is ridicullus for not believing what you do....fortunatelly the world does not watch FOX news so we wouldnt know what the "truth" is.

quote "WOW you should not be aloud to post. "

here again we see the american distorted perception of democracy. (the land of the free - just watch what you say or read cause you might end up in guandanamo no charges pressed)

quote :"lebenese are getting massacred" lol this is war, collateral damage is part of that. "

would collateral damage include the 2 "abducted" israelis soldiers or are we to make yet another exception for the Jews? (here goes "democracy" again.

quote:""Israel created hizballah" That is the most rediculous thing I've ever read in any political forum. "

You seem to find ridicul in the most reasonable of arguments. Are you suggesting that guerilla organisations form before the actual coop/foreign invasion?

First of all, learn how to type. It's almost impossible to read your posts, and really takes away all credibility from your writing, even though there was just a shred left.

The point regarding the Nazis is that Israel was, believe it or not, created in 1948, just THREE years after World War 2. No one accepted the Jews even after the war, and they had nowhere to go. The Jews had been immigrating to Palestine since the late 1800's, and it continued after WW2. The UN, NOT Israel, then voted on the creation of their state in 1948. It was not Israel's "decision," so to speak. On top of that, Britain had control of the land, not the Palestinians.

The reason you should not be allowed to post is because what you are saying is just so absurd, stupid, ignorant, and Anti-Semetic. To say that it was the Jews fault for not being accepted in the world is by far the most Anti-Semetic thing I've ever heard said. In fact, people of the Jewish faith have assimilated more then most other cultures. Look at Muslims today in America. Plenty of them are still living among their own people, continuing traditions objectifying women that date back thousands of years. I'm not saying they are wrong, but to say that Jews do not assimilate is one of the most incorrect things I've ever heard. Jews can be found all over the world, and the fact that they have their own state does not mean that they don't assimilate. What it DOES mean is that they have a place that they can go where they will be safe among their people. And I believe that they deserve such a place, considering the prejudice they've experienced throughout history.

You've yet to prove that the Jews "try to take over the economy." What's funny is that thats the same reason Hitler told his people as to why they had to eliminate the Jews. There has been NO proof of this ever happening, and it's not the Jews "fault" that they've been successful. Using stereotypes to explain why Jews have been persecuted is nothing short of stupid and Anti-Semetic.

Oh, and regarding you saying that the only reason Israel flourished was because of funding from the USA is wrong as well. The Palestinians have received more aid per capita then ANY other country in the world. They have had all the means to create a country, but did nothing. 60 years ago the land where Israel is today was DESERT, and a barren wasteland. No freshwater, no grassland, nothing.

Tell me how Israel doesn't have a democracy. I understand that they persecute against Arabs, but that's another discussion. It's a FACT that they have much more a democracy then any other Middle East country.

Oh, and by the way, there is a goddamned EDIT button, which makes sure you don't have to reply 5 times in a row.

EDIT: Here's an example of how well the edit button works.

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I support the innocent. bottom line. And i m not convinced that Israel could end it in an hour because if they used the method you described above they would be in trouble cause then the world (incuding the fanatics) would really come down upon them.

If you supported the innocent, you wouldn't be blaming Israel for what is going on. No, no sides are perfect, but Hezbollah are TERRORISTS. They are hiding behind their fellow people, and the deaths of the Lebanese are their doing. Israel could attack Lebanon as much as they want, and they by all means have the strength to deal with what any neighboring countries choose to do. They've won COUNTLESS wars in the past with neighboring countries, and theres no reason for them not to do it again. Israel is showing RESTRAINT compared with what the USA is doing in Iraq, and as of now, they're doing the right thing. Hezbollah needs to surrender or be destroyed. This is war.

 

[The Raven]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I do not agree that an attack is an attack.....

This all is very familiar to me...this is the degenerate mentality that the western powerfull countries are using to brainwash their voters...During the war in Iraq i was watching US news on the internet out of curiosity . All i could see was coffins draped with union flags and filled with bodies of younf american SOLDIERS that wer unjustillu "murdered" by the evil muslims....No pictures of the maimed children and bombed hospitals and pieces of iraqi civilian body members that the rest of the world got to see!!

First of all let me say that you're alright by me eventhough we have some opposing views. (No offense to Bond, just positive reinforcement to Al.)

But I do have to agree with the bloke that said you need to change how you type. It is pretty bad. Which brings me to a question? Where are you from? Judging from the time difference you mentioned earlier I'd guess somewhere near Bangladesh, no? I'm just curious. It's good to have a foreign perspective in here. And if english is your 2nd lang then you're doin great. Keep it up. :thumbsup:

Now as to this reply you left me: I'm not sure how this relates to an attack being an attack. I do agree with you about the dead soldiers thing though, I'm not sure why you think it's a bad thing. If you had been here you'd see that it just makes people wanna pull out of Iraq. Not get revenge or something. I'd say the attacks on 911 did that. Man were people pissed. And they still are. Rightfully so.

We don't get the horrible pictures that you speak of on TV because of decency laws regarding the media. We do however see them on the internet in abundance. They definitly talk about them on the news though.

As for an attack being an attack. I meant that if someone drops a bomb on the US , for example, then it won't matter whether it kills someone or not. That constitutes an act of war. People can't just get let off the hook because they tried to kill someone and they missed. If someone was firing those rockets on your country wouldn't they do something? That's all I meant by that.

 

[angryswede]

Christianity still has radical elements today; however, not nearly as many as before the Protestant Reformation. The end result was more moderate dominations, and ultimately a more moderate Catholic church. Eventually, this will happen to Islam as well, which will rid it of some, but not all, of its more radical elements.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Time Zone reference and handle would put him possibly along the Med? Italy/Greece/Cyprus.

 

[alejandroAT]

I know how to type in 3 different languages so spare me the accusations! Excuse my spelling mistakes but i was awake for a good 24 hours and the brain started shutting down the "extra language grammar rules".

I am indeed from Greece as Eaglekeeper calculated

As for Anti-semitic, i am not, whatever you may want to think about me...I dont see sides as Jews against Muslims or Christians. I see a powerful nation with military support from the most powerfull nation in the world against barefoot guerillas that pretty much do whatever they can to defend their land. They haven't got the resources so what do you want them to do? just sit back and swallow it? They have exactly the same rights to live in Israel as the Jews. Historically, the Jews were only a part of the general population of the area.

The part where i mentioned jews trying to take over the economy, well that comes from seeing things like the "jewish" lobby having control over a country's economic and military decisions. If it was a "greek lobby" that was forcing the US to take decisions that were outright unfair agaist Turkey i would react the same way against that lobby.

As for what constitutes an attack you may find that truelly civilised countries do not declare war even if a certain "attack" on their soil takes place. I will try and demonstrate this by analysing a couple of recent events that took place in my country against our "eternal" enemy.

1. During the 90s, Turkey decided to land a special forces group on a small rock-island inside Greek national waters. They backed this group up with fregates and other war ships to allow the group to raise the Turkish flag on that land. Of course Greece reacted by sending troops and helicopters to deal with a situation. We even had a helicopter "lost" in the madness. Did the situation elevate to war? no it didnt. Did we attack the Turks? we did not. We resolved the issue diplomatically.

2. Just a month ago, and during one of the usual air violations of Greek air space by Turkey, a Turkish jet pilot tried to force the Greek jets to withdraw. His actions caused a Greek jet to crash (as well as the turkish) and the Greek pilot to die (the turk survived just fine). Did this elevate to war? no it didn't. We resolved the issue diplomatically.

Even after all the differences we have with Turkey over the past 500 years we are still the only EU country that supports the Turkish integration in the EU. Because we know that Turkey is not controled by its politicians but by their army generals and the muslim fanatics. The only way out of this circle of violence is if we help our neighbours rid themselves of the military control and democratise once and for all.

If only Israel did the same.....all they will manage to do with this war is create more "beef" against them. Because all the people that never wanted to take part in terrorist actions will now do so to avenge their fathers and mothers and sisters that died in the attacks. We would all do the same!

As for the case were the israely land was purchased by the Ottomans well thats just silly. The ottomans appeared only half a millenium ago. Greeks, Palestinians, Jews, they all lived in that land since the ancient times. Whatever the Ottomans sold to third parties it wasn't theirs to sell in the first place!

 

[EagleKeeper]

The main difference between the Greek/Turkish situation and what is happening now may be that the responsibilities of bother parties.

With your example, you have actual Governments in place that will usually act responsible and care about their people.

With the Israeli situation, you have one piece of the opposing side that is not a government and does not have concerns about the results of the people they profess to protect. A second peice of the opposing side does not have the resources/strength/political will to take care of is population by controlling the mischievous child. The third piece of the opposing side does not care about what happens; they want the trouble to be stirred up; it is at no cost to them at all.

Israeli has said to their opponents, enough is enough; the gloves will be coming off.
Hamas and Hezbollah do not care and have no cocenrs/cares about the consequences of their actions to the civilian populations that they profess to be fighting for.

 

[alejandroAT]

Originally posted by EagleKeeper

With your example, you have actual Governments in place that will usually act responsible and care about their people.

What goverment would that be? the one that has to ask the army generals for every move they make? the one that practises genocide against the Kurds? The Turkish goverment has no more control over its extremist elements than the Lebanese have and thats why no european country wants them to join the club.


It is true that hezbollah does not care about civilian casualties. Just like "charlie" didnt care about them when fighting againts invaders in vietnam. Just like Che guevara didnt care about them when fighting against US control of his country. But why? what brings these people to such extreme thinking? When palestinians started hijacking planes in the 70s they didnt do it in an extreme way. They were not prepared to die and kill everyone along the way. They wanted to be heard and that was that. But they didnt get heard and the situation only got worse for them and so the extremists took over because they saw that their more civilised peers did not achieve anything. A lot of people here believe that extremists are born that way.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I know how to type in 3 different languages so spare me the accusations! Excuse my spelling mistakes but i was awake for a good 24 hours and the brain started shutting down the "extra language grammar rules".

I am indeed from Greece as Eaglekeeper calculated

As for Anti-semitic, i am not, whatever you may want to think about me...I dont see sides as Jews against Muslims or Christians. I see a powerful nation with military support from the most powerfull nation in the world against barefoot guerillas that pretty much do whatever they can to defend their land. They haven't got the resources so what do you want them to do? just sit back and swallow it? They have exactly the same rights to live in Israel as the Jews. Historically, the Jews were only a part of the general population of the area.

The part where i mentioned jews trying to take over the economy, well that comes from seeing things like the "jewish" lobby having control over a country's economic and military decisions. If it was a "greek lobby" that was forcing the US to take decisions that were outright unfair agaist Turkey i would react the same way against that lobby.

As for what constitutes an attack you may find that truelly civilised countries do not declare war even if a certain "attack" on their soil takes place. I will try and demonstrate this by analysing a couple of recent events that took place in my country against our "eternal" enemy.

1. During the 90s, Turkey decided to land a special forces group on a small rock-island inside Greek national waters. They backed this group up with fregates and other war ships to allow the group to raise the Turkish flag on that land. Of course Greece reacted by sending troops and helicopters to deal with a situation. We even had a helicopter "lost" in the madness. Did the situation elevate to war? no it didnt. Did we attack the Turks? we did not. We resolved the issue diplomatically.

2. Just a month ago, and during one of the usual air violations of Greek air space by Turkey, a Turkish jet pilot tried to force the Greek jets to withdraw. His actions caused a Greek jet to crash (as well as the turkish) and the Greek pilot to die (the turk survived just fine). Did this elevate to war? no it didn't. We resolved the issue diplomatically.

Even after all the differences we have with Turkey over the past 500 years we are still the only EU country that supports the Turkish integration in the EU. Because we know that Turkey is not controled by its politicians but by their army generals and the muslim fanatics. The only way out of this circle of violence is if we help our neighbours rid themselves of the military control and democratise once and for all.

If only Israel did the same.....all they will manage to do with this war is create more "beef" against them. Because all the people that never wanted to take part in terrorist actions will now do so to avenge their fathers and mothers and sisters that died in the attacks. We would all do the same!

As for the case were the israely land was purchased by the Ottomans well thats just silly. The ottomans appeared only half a millenium ago. Greeks, Palestinians, Jews, they all lived in that land since the ancient times. Whatever the Ottomans sold to third parties it wasn't theirs to sell in the first place!

I have to go soon so I'm only going to address one of your points. Whether the Palestinians "deserve" to live there or not is irrelevent. 60 years ago, the UN decided with majority vote that Israel got the land. Israel, over the past 60 years, has offered the Palestinians land for their own, and yet the Palestinians are still not happy. The land for Israel was purely political, and was 60 years ago. It's time to start living in the present, and not the past.

 

[alejandroAT]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I know how to type in 3 different languages so spare me the accusations! Excuse my spelling mistakes but i was awake for a good 24 hours and the brain started shutting down the "extra language grammar rules".

I am indeed from Greece as Eaglekeeper calculated

As for Anti-semitic, i am not, whatever you may want to think about me...I dont see sides as Jews against Muslims or Christians. I see a powerful nation with military support from the most powerfull nation in the world against barefoot guerillas that pretty much do whatever they can to defend their land. They haven't got the resources so what do you want them to do? just sit back and swallow it? They have exactly the same rights to live in Israel as the Jews. Historically, the Jews were only a part of the general population of the area.

The part where i mentioned jews trying to take over the economy, well that comes from seeing things like the "jewish" lobby having control over a country's economic and military decisions. If it was a "greek lobby" that was forcing the US to take decisions that were outright unfair agaist Turkey i would react the same way against that lobby.

As for what constitutes an attack you may find that truelly civilised countries do not declare war even if a certain "attack" on their soil takes place. I will try and demonstrate this by analysing a couple of recent events that took place in my country against our "eternal" enemy.

1. During the 90s, Turkey decided to land a special forces group on a small rock-island inside Greek national waters. They backed this group up with fregates and other war ships to allow the group to raise the Turkish flag on that land. Of course Greece reacted by sending troops and helicopters to deal with a situation. We even had a helicopter "lost" in the madness. Did the situation elevate to war? no it didnt. Did we attack the Turks? we did not. We resolved the issue diplomatically.

2. Just a month ago, and during one of the usual air violations of Greek air space by Turkey, a Turkish jet pilot tried to force the Greek jets to withdraw. His actions caused a Greek jet to crash (as well as the turkish) and the Greek pilot to die (the turk survived just fine). Did this elevate to war? no it didn't. We resolved the issue diplomatically.

Even after all the differences we have with Turkey over the past 500 years we are still the only EU country that supports the Turkish integration in the EU. Because we know that Turkey is not controled by its politicians but by their army generals and the muslim fanatics. The only way out of this circle of violence is if we help our neighbours rid themselves of the military control and democratise once and for all.

If only Israel did the same.....all they will manage to do with this war is create more "beef" against them. Because all the people that never wanted to take part in terrorist actions will now do so to avenge their fathers and mothers and sisters that died in the attacks. We would all do the same!

As for the case were the israely land was purchased by the Ottomans well thats just silly. The ottomans appeared only half a millenium ago. Greeks, Palestinians, Jews, they all lived in that land since the ancient times. Whatever the Ottomans sold to third parties it wasn't theirs to sell in the first place!

I have to go soon so I'm only going to address one of your points. Whether the Palestinians "deserve" to live there or not is irrelevent. 60 years ago, the UN decided with majority vote that Israel got the land. Israel, over the past 60 years, has offered the Palestinians land for their own, and yet the Palestinians are still not happy. The land for Israel was purely political, and was 60 years ago. It's time to start living in the present, and not the past.

Since "deserving" is irrelevant to you then why do you keep saying that the Israelis "deserve" to fight for their land?


If the UN decides tomorrow that the native americans should get New Jersey to establish their Indian Nation would you quietly move? maybe you will because you might not care for the land you live on. But in other cultures, the land of their grandfathers is sacred.

I really cannot stand and watch israel supporters bring up morality issues only when they suit them. If you want to support the idea that whoever has the power has the right to use it towards their own benefits because "everyone else would do the same in their place" then please come out and say so and dont hide behind the wall of moral values that is entirely relative and subjective.

 

[alejandroAT]

Just found out (and have already seen numerous burned up babies and children) that Israel is using phosphorus bombs. Can anyone tell me that these bombs are used to destroy military infrasctructure in a surgical manner? bollocks. This is chemical warfare. But you cannot be called a terrorist if you are not muslim. God forbid.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I support the innocent. bottom line. And i m not convinced that Israel could end it in an hour because if they used the method you described above they would be in trouble cause then the world (incuding the fanatics) would really come down upon them.

Innocent? ....somebody needs a little middle east history 101.


Hezbollah is more powerful, larger and better equiped then any islamic terrorism in the world.


The citizen's of Lebanon love Hezbollah, as does the rest of the Arab world.

You know what happened in the six day war? I'll tell you. Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt attacked Israel had Um Yippur, the holiest day in Israel. Everybody is celebrating in their homes, including military.

The enemy thought this would be pie. They were wrong.
8 hours after the attack the Israeli's led the largest air attack in Middle Eastern history.

Israel totally owned the Arab countries, in both air, sea and land.

Fun Fact: Israel, inspite of the passive aggressive Yum Kippur attack, returned the west bank and Golian heights back to Jordan and Syria in exchange for a peace aggrement.

You think the arab countries would have done the same?
Probably not.


IMHO, the position Israel was in after the Hezbollian attack's, justifies hands down what they did in response. No western country was going to do anything. No arab country was going to pressure Hezbollah. Lebanon wouldn't even renounce Hezbollah.




Lebanese citizens are pro-Hezbollah (They did after all, liberate the country) as is the itzy bitzy no-power government and police force. (They have no military, Hezbollah is their only military)

The fact that Lebanese citizens died is sad, but to say it was unnessecary is bogus and stupid.

Israel is a tiny tiny country surrounded by several powerful jew hating theocracies.
Put yourself in that position. They are fighting for survival. If somebody attacks them, they have to attack back 10/1. It's the only way, especially with the no-support from nearby europe policy.

They say how much they hate global terrorism, and scream and preach about how awful Osama is but when Israel actually does something....Oh NO, civilians DIED.

BURN EM!!!


It's war. That's how it goes. Israel has been cooperative then any Arab nation in every possible way, to say they are commiting atrocities is bogus.

Saudi Arabia still has slavery.
Women are 2nd class citizens in every Islamic Country (also depends what muslim sect you are in)


You put a Catholic, Jew, Christian and Budist in the same room...they most likely won't kill each other. You add some muslims in the room and not only will they attack the jews and christians, they will attack their own.

Iraqi citizens don't consider themselves as Iraqi, they think of themselves as Sunni, Shiite or Kurd. Each have there own way of living, there own culture and own political sways.

Same goes for most Islamic Theocratic countries. The government supress's the people, and the people supress themselves.

That's how true Islam works.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
I support the innocent. bottom line. And i m not convinced that Israel could end it in an hour because if they used the method you described above they would be in trouble cause then the world (incuding the fanatics) would really come down upon them.

Innocent? ....somebody needs a little middle east history 101.


Hezbollah is more powerful, larger and better equiped then any islamic terrorism in the world.


The citizen's of Lebanon love Hezbollah, as does the rest of the Arab world.

You know what happened in the six day war? I'll tell you. Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt attacked Israel had Um Yippur, the holiest day in Israel. Everybody is celebrating in their homes, including military.

The enemy thought this would be pie. They were wrong.
8 hours after the attack the Israeli's led the largest air attack in Middle Eastern history.

Israel totally owned the Arab countries, in both air, sea and land.

Fun Fact: Israel, inspite of the passive aggressive Yum Kippur attack, returned the west bank and Golian heights back to Jordan and Syria in exchange for a peace aggrement.

You think the arab countries would have done the same?
Probably not.


IMHO, the current position Israel was in both before the Lebanon attacks justifies what they did.


Lebanese citizens are obviously pro-Hezbollah as is the itzy bitzy no-power government and police force. (They have no military, Hezbollah is their only military)

The fact that Lebanese citizens died is sad, but to say it was unnessecary is bogus and stupid.

Israel is a tiny tiny country surrounded by several powerful jew hating countries.
Put yourself in that position. They are fighting for survival. If somebody attacks them, they have to attack back 10/1. It's the way, especially with no-support from other european countries.

They say how much they hate global terrorism, and scream and preach about how awful Osama is but when Israel actually does something....Oh NO. Civilians DIED.

BURN EM!!!


It's war. That's how it goes. Israel has been cooperative then any Arab nation, to say they are commiting atrocities is bogus.

Saudi Arabia still has slavery.
Women are 2nd class citizens in every Islamic Country (also depends what muslim sect you are)


You put a Catholic, Jew, Christian and Budist in the same room...they most likely won't kill each other. You add some muslims in the room and not only will they attack the jews and christians, they will attack their own.

Iraqi citizens don't consider themselves as Iraqi, they think of themselves as Sunni, Shiite or Kurd. Each have there own way of living, there own culture and own political sways.

Same goes for most Islamic Theocracies.

Wow you're about as stupid as they come...