The AMD Mantle Thread

[Gloomy]

Can we tally up predictions again?

I'm sticking with my "30% gain, but mostly in minimum FPS" original prediction. How about you guys?

 

[bystander36]

Can we tally up predictions again?

I'm sticking with my "30% gain, but mostly in minimum FPS" original prediction. How about you guys?

I'm predicting 10-15%, but minimums will be improved more, depending on the game.

I won't be surprised if it is higher or lower. With the special treatment on BF4, it is hard to say on that specific game. It could be better or worse than what the average Mantle game will get. It could be better due to special treatment, or worse, since it is a first try.

 

[Spjut]

Anyone who watched the event saw him fidget. His answer was a non answer. Because DICE did get paid 8 million by AMD. This was reported by multiple websites by the way. There is no dispute here. AMD paid DICE to implement Mantle and to co-sponsor BF4.

We don't know to what that money went. It could be the cost for adding Mantle support to Frostbite 3, but it could also be the cost for developing and testing Mantle itself. Dice has clearly been close to AMD in creating Mantle.

 

[Gloomy]

We don't know to what that money went. It could be the cost for adding Mantle support to Frostbite 3, but it could also be the cost for developing and testing Mantle itself. Dice has clearly been close to AMD in creating Mantle.

The money was probably a mix of Mantle and the BF4 keys to give away.

 

[Saylick]

Can we tally up predictions again?

I'm sticking with my "30% gain, but mostly in minimum FPS" original prediction. How about you guys?

Back on post 1653 out of the current 3976 posts, I posed a "guess the number of beans in a jar" question and here were the results.

0 - 4.99%: 0
5 - 9.99%: 0
10 - 14.99%: 1
15 - 19.99%: 0
20 - 24.99%: 3
25 - 29.99%: 0
30 - 34.99%: 3
35 - 39.99%: 1
40 - 44.99%: 0
45 - 49.99%: 0
50 - 54.99%: 2
55 - 59.00%: 0
60 - 64.99%: 1
65 - 69.99%: 0
>70% = RIDICULES TITAN: 1

Updated to include Bystander's guesstimate:

0 - 4.99%: 0
5 - 9.99%: 0
10 - 14.99%: 2
15 - 19.99%: 0
20 - 24.99%: 3
25 - 29.99%: 0
30 - 34.99%: 3
35 - 39.99%: 1
40 - 44.99%: 0
45 - 49.99%: 0
50 - 54.99%: 2
55 - 59.00%: 0
60 - 64.99%: 1
65 - 69.99%: 0
>70% = RIDICULES TITAN: 1

 

[Silverforce11]

My prediction?

Highly game dependent.

RTS = could be massive, 100%
MMO = also could be massive, 50%
FPS = not much, except for CPU limited ones like the Arma series.. probably 25% tops.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Back on post 1653 out of the current 3976 posts, I posed a "guess the number of beans in a jar" question and here were the results.



Updated to include Bystander's guesstimate:

0 - 4.99%: 0
5 - 9.99%: 0
10 - 14.99%: 2
15 - 19.99%: 0
20 - 24.99%: 3
25 - 29.99%: 0
30 - 34.99%: 3
35 - 39.99%: 1
40 - 44.99%: 0
45 - 49.99%: 0
50 - 54.99%: 2
55 - 59.00%: 0
60 - 64.99%: 1
65 - 69.99%: 0
>70% = RIDICULES TITAN: 1

I'm in the 40-44.99 group.

 

[stahlhart]

After some reconsideration, I have elected to reopen this thread. I am doing so with an understanding from all of you that your participation in the discussion will be civil and respectful, especially to those you are not in agreement with, and will stay on topic.
-- stahlhart

 

[Paul98]

I would guess it was a good idea to lock the thread for a while anyways.

EA said that the Mantle BF4 version will be released sometime in January. Seems to be an EA/DIce BF4 problem rather than a mantle problem. Anyone playing BF4 could see why with all the problems there are with it.

 

[cytg111]

I would guess it was a good idea to lock the thread for a while anyways..

- No? Also on the second and third thread on oxide ..
I understand this forum is not a 'democrazy' but if its a 'nazi-y' - then ppl will friggin leave. You could choose to go after the perps instead of locking down a whole forum section. Ontop of that, you've got some trolls here flying just below the radar causing much more damage the the community as a whole rather than a few flamboyant threads of speculation. Talk about barking up the wrong tree. Choose your fights. Pick your battles. Whatever.

Warning issued for moderator callout.
--stahlhart

 

[biostud]

Does Mantle require a specific driver from AMD?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Does Mantle require a specific driver from AMD?

My GUESS is that it will by buildt into their driver...but like anything with Mantle...it all GUESSWORK...

 

[sontin]

Does Mantle require a specific driver from AMD?

Yes, Mantle needs a specific driver. And the driver will be included in the normal driver package.

 

[Noctifer616]

Yes, Mantle needs a specific driver. And the driver will be included in the normal driver package.

From a interview shortly after Mantle was unveiled, the Mantle driver can come as either part of the normal Catalyst driver, or be included in the game.

In other words, BF4 Mantle patch could come tomorrow without AMD releasing Catalyst drivers with Mantle support.

http://www.hardware.fr/focus/89/amd-mantle-interview-raja-koduri.html

Will Mantle ship directly with the game engine and not with the Radeon driver ?

RK - We are still working on the actual mechanism and in some cases the game engine developer prefers it shipping with the game engine as it makes their install experience better, in other cases they may prefer us to keep updating it through our Radeon driver mechanism. We are still working on that detail.

 

[krumme]

From a interview shortly after Mantle was unveiled, the Mantle driver can come as either part of the normal Catalyst driver, or be included in the game.

In other words, BF4 Mantle patch could come tomorrow without AMD releasing Catalyst drivers with Mantle support.

http://www.hardware.fr/focus/89/amd-mantle-interview-raja-koduri.html

We are used to frequent and huge driver updates done manually. That should be a history of the past with mantle. Or greatly reduced with games using mantle.

The driver is thin - meaning very small. And the driver should remain quite the same over time. The updates will be on the game. Like origin updates to bf should come with updates how the api is used and without us noticing it. And we have to remember we have mantle api wrapped around the mantle driver. Thats how i understand it.

 

[Lonbjerg]

We are used to frequent and huge driver updates done manually. That should be a history of the past with mantle. Or greatly reduced with games using mantle.

The driver is thin - meaning very small. And the driver should remain quite the same over time. The updates will be on the game. Like origin updates to bf should come with updates how the api is used and without us noticing it. And we have to remember we have mantle api wrapped around the mantle driver. Thats how i understand it.

Like I said...all about Mantle is GUESSWORK right now.
Or as I see it...a lot of empty PR.

 

[kapulek]

From AMD Kaveri Tech Day:

 

[Haserath]

Does Mantle require a specific driver from AMD?

They did say something like the driver is tiny compared to the DX one. I seem to remember 8MB specifically, but that may not be right.

 

[Gloomy]

From AMD Kaveri Tech Day:

Crazy. But that demo screamed "worst case for DirectX" to me.

That slide that promised full details in full HD at 30 FPS for BF4, seemed too good to be true to me too.

 

[Gloomy]

It's over. Sell your Titans, they've just been ridiculed.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[bystander36]

It's over. Sell your Titans, they've just been ridiculed.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Up to 45% doesn't mean 45% improvements. It means in the best case scenario, you may see 45%. You see this with driver updates all the time. Rarely do you actually see improvements when they say up to 20% boost in X game.

What you likely will see is 15-20% for most Mantle users, but someone with a specific hardware config, such as a slow AMD CPU/APU, they may see up to 45%. Maybe it is in specific locations in the game.

At least we know the high end. I guess we'll have to wait to see the average.

 

[Gloomy]

up to 45% doesn't mean 45% improvements. It means in the best case scenario, you may see 45%. You see this with driver updates all the time. Rarely do you actually see improvements when they say up to 20% boost in x game.

What you likely will see is 15-20% for most mantle users, but someone with a specific hardware config, such as a slow amd cpu/apu, they may see up to 45%.

You're going to need a bigger bucket to save your sinking ship. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Infraction issued for inflammatory language. One day off for accumulation of points.
-- stahlhart

 

[bystander36]

You're going to need a bigger bucket to save your sinking ship. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

What sinking ship is that?

 

[Gloomy]

what sinking ship is that?

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Lonbjerg]

A lot of posts being made now that will be a "foot in mouth" moment when independant reviews comes out.

Time to read this thread and bookmark the greatest "offenders"...guess I am going to break the signature limit ^^