What makes it ridiculous sensationalist, when many of the conversations from the dev's themselves recognize it. Even those developers who support it, caution think it would be a terrible idea to have any others do the same. And if Mantle is so great, it will force others to do the same.How am I off-topic? I'm just calling out the frankly ridiculous sensationalist concern-troll statements regarding "market fragmentation" abound in this thread.
I can explain it too you, but I cannot understand it for you...
I don't disagree with that.
Only the "Up to" 45% is leaving a lot up to the imagination.
What things will see 45% boosts in performance?
What hardware will see up to 45% boosts in performance?
Will it be minimums that get the boost?
Will it be CPU bottlenecks that get the boost?
Will it be the APU's that see up to 45% boosts?
We will not know. As for the proof i dont give a damn about some average bm. I will glance shortly to H and their subjective impression but for 99% i will just judge for myself.
Right now i play without msaa but perhaps mantle alows me some extra min fps and 2 times msaa. That was what i was hoping for. If that is doable it will be great.
Besides that its a damn shame we have to wait a year before the new games using the oxide engine emerges. I could really play a game that brougt rts into my world again. I think its perfectly possible we will see some 300% gains here. Fps like bf4 is super fine for apus like kaveri but we need mantle for a rts (l)evolution. Its not a nice to have.
Its a damn human right!!!! Lol
I guess it's with more cores, but with Kaveri you're getting additional 512sp in asymmetric CF.Up to 45% for Kaveri or a bigger 6-8 Core CPU? It makes a huge difference. I would expect that Mantle gains much more on a 8 core due to better core scaling than on a CPU like Kaveri with just 4 cores.
As awesome as it could be for RTS's, the reality is that game dev's will make sure their game can perform well on DX, as most their customers will not have Mantle capable cards. So until that changes, I don't expect 300% boosts on RTS games, as they'll be making game design choices based on their average customer.
So 45% best case.
As awesome as it could be for RTS's, the reality is that game dev's will make sure their game can perform well on DX, as most their customers will not have Mantle capable cards. So until that changes, I don't expect 300% boosts on RTS games, as they'll be making game design choices based on their average customer.
Up to 45% for Kaveri or a bigger 6-8 Core CPU? It makes a huge difference. I would expect that Mantle gains much more on a 8 core due to better core scaling than on a CPU like Kaveri with just 4 cores.
We need real performance previews, then maybe some developers will comment on this.
So 45% best case.
You could send me one.As an AMD owner who's decision to buy a couple 290's was fueled by Mantle, I'm pretty disappointed right now. Pretty soon I won't be mining anymore, so other than Mantle, I have no incentive to stick with AMD. Hope to see something soon :thumbsup:
From AMD Kaveri Tech Day:
Again, here's the Stardock forum thread with Brad's comments:Oxide's engine, Nitrous biggest advantage is that it is completely asynchronous in its rendering. The engine is not tied to a thread so the more cores you have, the faster it gets.
The biggest advantage of Mantle is that unlike DirectX, Mantle is truly multicore aware. With DirectX 11, more cores don't buy you nearly as much. That said, Nitrous, even on DirectX, is still two orders of magnitude faster than say a typical DirectX 9 engine.
A Mantle optimized game can show a massive performance gain depending on how many cores the user has on their CPU. Contrary to what I read on some forums, most games remain CPU or video driver bound (i.e. the GPU is waiting to be fed). Mantle lets you get a lot more stuff onto the GPU.
So let me get this straight. You think that because Mantle in BF4, will see up to 45% boosts in performance, I was wrong about anything I said?
The only thing it may say, was my prediction of 10-15% boosts with higher than that in the minimums, could be wrong. But we all know that "Up to" does not mean it will perform at that boost.
Mantle still fragments the market. And if it truly does give 45%, which sounds doubtful by the wording used, then that will force Nvidia into fragmenting the market more. There is nothing I said that changes based on that slide.
Some people still think 10 x more drawcalls = 10 x more performance...when I'd be surprised to see more than 5-10% improvement overall for that (Unless you try and design a game, focused on the worst case for DirectX and use "brute force" over "elegance" eg. instancing ect.)...and I doubt Microsoft is sitting idle now..AMD's PR must have awoken them...so expcet gains over DirectX to be even smaller soon.
one of them is u.I dont need to post ur past post in this topic.Who are these people? There were some people who originally thought this, but I haven't seen anyone post anything like this for ages.
I hope you are right about Microsoft being woken up and we'll see improvement in DX due to Mantle. I'll take that as another performance increase because of Mantle. Competition is good!
45% is only marketing which AMD and Nvidia do alot even Intle.Yes u are right and that what i am saying a long time.If u need full mantle advantage meaning 20 to 25% than u need to have AMD base system with AMD CPU and GPU combination.So about 15-20% would probably be a good guess.
Also doesn't a performance increase depend on your hardware?
one of them is u.I dont need to post ur past post in this topic.
45% is only marketing which AMD and Nvidia do alot even Intle.Yes u are right and that what i am saying a long time.If u need full mantle advantage meaning 20 to 25% than u need to have AMD base system with AMD CPU and GPU combination.