There is: pclab.pl
Excactly. There is nothing. No one can replicate what they have done prior either.
Being a user of all Nvidia cards at present, based upon the tone of this thread I should be in "bash mode" about Mantle. I'm not. I'm excited for this new technology. It's pushing the envelope to improve gaming performance. That helps all of us.
All review sites should substitute the BF4 Single Player tests with the Multiplayer tests.
But what are the results with other cards? 280x, 270x, HD7950, HD7870, HD7850, HD7770, HD7750, etc? there are any reviews with that? 290x performance alone its highly insignificant.
It's mostly better threading. This is why Mantle pulls way ahead with Intel dual cores. No matter how well the renderer distributes workload there just isn't enough limited CPU resources to go around.
People like you are hilarious. It's either dismissal based on gut feeling or linking irrelevant GPU-limited benchmarks.
Its simple to test Mantle effectiveness: always test Video cards with processors that cost half the GPUs.
GPU limited benchmarks are hardly "irrelevant" since that is the situation for the vast majority of PC games. You do need to look at both cpu and gpu limited cases, but gpu limited cases are very relevant, because they show one of the limitations of mantle, that it shows minimal benefit except in cpu limited scenarios.
Again when Mantle finally comes out for BF4 and the posted results are minimal/marginal where real world in game improvements are in reality non existant, make sure you post back to this thread.
I would say...potentially, the vast majority of PC games can become GPU limited. I think Mantle is proving that many CPUs can't get the work to the GPU fast enough.GPU limited benchmarks are hardly "irrelevant" since that is the situation for the vast majority of PC games.
Putting out a review with most of those cards would put a quick damper on the whole Mantle reviews.
Unless you run those with a $50 CPU/APU.
How about we stop testing for "Mantle effectiveness" and keep testing as normal?
I would say...potentially, the vast majority of PC games can become GPU limited. I think Mantle is proving that many CPUs can't get the work to the GPU fast enough.
And I don't know about "vast majority." That's pretty nebulous, since it includes a lot of games, but it also includes a lot of crappy GPU's.
Putting out a review with most of those cards would put a quick damper on the whole Mantle reviews.
Unless you run those with a $50 CPU/APU.
I would say that "potentially" what, optimistically 15 or 20 games within the next 2 years will use mantle? That is a drop in the bucket of the thousands of PC games on the market now and those coming. Mantle seems to show some nice improvements in cpu bound scenarios that support it, but because it is not a universal API, it is very limited in application.
On the contraire, myself on a 7950 am seeing higher gains than the DICE 2# test. This game becomes horribly CPU limited when you enable mesh quality ultra and leave the eye candy off.
And considering a lot of people actually play the game that way (mesh quality ultra for higher view distance and being to spot enemies further, eye candy on low to see stuff better), those people would see similar gains, even on a not-so-optimized cards (for now).
Here is the real question though. How many of those games that do not have Mantle actually need it? The vast majority of the games out there do not require high end hardware to run. You can play them are pretty low end hardware.
If those 15-20 games make up a big chunk of the AAA games that typically require more hardware to run, than that can easily make it worthwhile. Its not like you will be unable to play the lower end games because they do not have mantle.
Bit-tech found very small gains with Mantle over DX11.
Even when underclocking the CPU down to 2.8GHz
And with R9 280x and down, they sometime got negative results when using Mantle over DX11.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/02/05/amd-mantle-bf4-performance/
I guess if you need to hit 144FPS for your monitor then Mantle is significant. Otherwise, I'm just not seeing it in the high end.
You're pretty much fine if you have an 3xxxK or 4xxxK past 4GHz in this game, even without Mantle.
Well, there's the Multi-GPU factor, but that's not really working properly right now so I'll refrain from commenting.