all amd GCN benefits, so EA is in the frontseat to make it happen.
this IMO if it works well is a dramtic change for the gaming landscape and those that make cards.
And in this situation its the right thing to do. Nobody who sell games cares if its discrete or integrated. All the consoles is apus. And probably the apus with weaker cpu gets the highest benefit because of reduced drawcalls. That means means you have a larger market for your games. All those craptops with 4 core kabinis will be able to play the new less demanding games from ea 2014. Thats a huge advantage for ea. The profit in the games is probably 10-30 times more than the apu. Content is king.
This is damn smart for ea.
Feedback we’ve gotten from other sources continues to suggest that Microsoft’s low-level API for the Xbox One is extremely similar to Mantle, and the difference between the two is basically semantic. This doesn’t square very well with Microsoft’s own statements; we’ll continue to investigate.
Suppose Mantle reduces the hardware requirement significantly? Would that not increase the available market for the game? There's more facets to this than simply discrete market share % between the brands.
Possibly, but IMO the improvement would have to be huge. Ten or 20 or even 30 percent improvement is not going to really lower the bar that much for PC gaming. Gaming on consoles is still going to be cheaper. Even if the percent of games sold shifts from console to PC, the TOTAL number of games sold would not necessarily increase, just a shift in the mix between PC and console.
Suppose Mantle reduces the hardware requirement significantly? Would that not increase the available market for the game? There's more facets to this than simply discrete market share % between the brands.
And in this situation its the right thing to do. Nobody who sell games cares if its discrete or integrated. All the consoles is apus. And probably the apus with weaker cpu gets the highest benefit because of reduced drawcalls. That means means you have a larger market for your games. All those craptops with 4 core kabinis will be able to play the new less demanding games from ea 2014. Thats a huge advantage for ea. The profit in the games is probably 10-30 times more than the apu. Content is king.
This is damn smart for ea.
Possibly, but IMO the improvement would have to be huge. Ten or 20 or even 30 percent improvement is not going to really lower the bar that much for PC gaming. Gaming on consoles is still going to be cheaper. Even if the percent of games sold shifts from console to PC, the TOTAL number of games sold would not necessarily increase, just a shift in the mix between PC and console.
But I bet those that buy and play games, do.. Should we include all tegra devices as well? Mobile? Tesla?
if there games run on kabini apus from amd while not running on others like Intel....through mantle; that will sell more hardware.
someone running r260 - suddenly able to game next gen games as fast as something like 760 from Nvidia or faster....that will move hardware and games.
Mantle very well could be game changer; high end you could see 30%....but the low end.......could see much; much higher returns and that will move systems and apus; specially Kaveri...
But we'll see...
But I bet those that buy and play games, do.. Should we include all tegra devices as well? Mobile? Tesla?
But I bet those that buy and play games, do.. Should we include all tegra devices as well? Mobile? Tesla?
You could be right. However, Mantle will only be used in next gen games. Those games will be, for the most part, graphically and cpu intense. Someone who wants to play those games on PC wants a better experience than a console. I dont think you will get that with an APU, much less a kabini one. So while IF there is a large performance increase, it would definitely shift the hardware landscape, I am not sure it would increase the overall market for the game that much. Not to mention that PC sales are usually what, 10 percent maybe, of console sales? If you increase that by 30% even, that is only a 3% increase in total games sold, even assuming that none of those sales are taken away from consoles.
You could be right. However, Mantle will only be used in next gen games. Those games will be, for the most part, graphically and cpu intense. Someone who wants to play those games on PC wants a better experience than a console. I dont think you will get that with an APU, much less a kabini one. So while IF there is a large performance increase, it would definitely shift the hardware landscape, I am not sure it would increase the overall market for the game that much. Not to mention that PC sales are usually what, 10 percent maybe, of console sales? If you increase that by 30% even, that is only a 3% increase in total games sold, even assuming that none of those sales are taken away from consoles.
Some do and some don't......
Now as I said if Mantles allows say R7 250/260 to run near or as fast as 760....which do you think people are going to buy....
One is a 80-90 pound card, other is just over 100 pounds. 760 is 170-180 pound card....
Key points; without Mantle; the first two cards don't come close.....but with they do; and if Mantle is in main 5 game engines - which pushes their performances to those levels.
What do you think will happen? *yes these are very big ifs right now and no I would not recommend anything until we see Mantle in action*
I want to see 290 in action to see if I'm holding onto my 7870 LE or upgrading...
As I said Mantle might only bring day 15-30% to top end; but the bottom end will see gains much; much higher....
All I'm hearing is a LOT of "IFS". I want numbers. And until then, I would like this Mantle touting BS to end. It's now getting to ridiculous levels.
In other words, put up or shut up (so to speak).
From independent sources who's name does not include the acronym A.M.D.
Yes of course, but just listen to yourself and others for a few moments. You aren't speculating anymore. It's more than that and all without a single microscopic shred of evidence of what it can or can't do.
I understand that debating the pros and cons of new anything is fun, but know when to draw the line. I mean, you might see what I'm saying, but you might be the only one who would try to do that.
All I'm hearing is a LOT of "IFS". I want numbers. And until then, I would like this Mantle touting BS to end. It's now getting to ridiculous levels.
In other words, put up or shut up (so to speak).
From independent sources who's name does not include the acronym A.M.D.
Oh come on man! Is it really that hard to avoid this thread and others like it?
I'm sure you know the timeline to when more info can be had - the AMD developer summit next month and the battlefield mantle patch in Dec
I can see why some on here accuse of trying to downplay anything that AMD does
Do yourself a favour and avoid these discussion threads if they irk you so much
I'm sorry; yes they are IFs; and its not BS anymore than when someone speculates on something Nvidia does.
I understand what Mantle will do; and depending on how its used; will turn these IFs into truths....or falses......
This is Mantle thread; until numbers are out all we have is speculation. If you don't want to hear it.......well not much I can do about it....
Yeah, just like I said. Not a single microscopic shred of evidence. What does a timeline have to do with performance data? When that time arrives and IF (a favorite word around here) we see data then, I would be glad to debate if needed.
And you mean "do you a favor" don't you? Not me. I'm fine.
I'm also trying to tell you all, NOT to get your hopes too high about this. It's AMD. If you build this up too high then you have no choice but to be let down. That's why you should all just simmer down about Mantle and wait til you have at least one leg to stand on. All this touting and preening is just too much.
Yes of course, but just listen to yourself and others for a few moments. You aren't speculating anymore. It's more than that and all without a single microscopic shred of evidence of what it can or can't do.
I understand that debating the pros and cons of new anything is fun, but know when to draw the line. I mean, you might see what I'm saying, but you might be the only one who would try to do that.