I see how it is in your world... intel/nv vs amd. Constant battle. And you, always there to defend you beloved ones...What did you try to prove again? 2.66Ghz 750 vs a 3.2Ghz X4 955 and you claim its AMD optimized?
As to the statement of the developers that FX cpu is the most future proof, that statement has been beaten to death in another thread already. It basically in an unsubstantiated statement by unnamed sources. Especially if the developers were part of the Gaming Evolved program, you would hardly expect them to recommend intel processors.
See what I did there?Tomb Raider(big GE title) recomended spec:
Processor: Quad core CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955, Intel Core i5-750
http://www.tombraider.com/us/base/home?refer=19
Games being optimized for amd will put their CPU higher in the hierarchy than they were before.
Doubtful. This will benefit Intel CPU's as much as AMD. Unless they pull an Intel and actually ruin Intel performance intentionally with a Vendor check.
I'm mostly interested in seeing how much the lower overhead will benefit the older/slower CPUs. Core 2 Quads and Phenom II X4s were really showing their age already in BF3
I always used AMD processors until I got my 3570 K....Although I use Intel CPU's exclusively it would be a great thing for AMD processors to get a boost via Mantle and be able to compete more closely with Intel chips.
Certainly the company could use that,a healthy AMD means their graphics division would have more funds/resources to invest in their GPU products and that sure would benefit us all,especially given NVDA's cashed up status.
All of NV's products show the benefits of that extra polish a well cashed up research section can provide.
Ofcource its interesting for us, how mantle will improve our highend processors.
But the huge benefit, also for the ability for the developers to sell games, is for the low end temash and kabini apus and comming kaveri.
There is no way a lowend apu will play bf4, but what about the gaming the new plants vs zoombies on a 4 core kabini/temash? Can you play the pc edition at all? and if, at what quality?
Mantle quality and the scalability, both to the top end and lowest end, of the new engines is imoh very interesting.
Take eg. tf2. Its not at all playable of a quad core temash. But my guess is, had mantle be used for the engine, with its muliple core use, it would certainly be playable.
The huge future market is a the low end, and for phones. I am pretty sure both AMD and especially the developers have a very strong focus here.
Agreed. I've been thinking one of the major draws for developers is how Mantle will enable satisfactory to exceptional gameplay where the bulk of computer sales are. Creates an expanding demographic and increased game sales. Will also create pressure for developers not yet on Mantle to get on it. AMD APUs growing a reputation as the preferred gaming hardware for entry and low end computers will up the pressure.
AMD is playing this very smart. There will come a threshold point of Mantle games and Mantle ready engines in play that will put intense pressure on the remaining developers and game engines to get on the Mantle bandwagon.
They probably are in the process of doing so. I dont think many will say mantle loud but they have to get their new engines ready for the consoles. Ofcource. Doing so its automatically mantle. I think its a done deal. Its not like they have a choice.
What we dont know is the effect.
And on top of that we dont know what economic consequences it will have for amd. It looks like the biggest opportunity ever for amd but often a economic strong company is needed to use such an opportunity. Amd is weak. So we will see.
I wonder how many middleware, engine and game developers, after watching EA/DICE's Hawaii presentation, went knocking on AMD's door looking to become a Mantle partner.
AMD might be cash strapped and personnel shy, but considering what they're in the process of pulling off, I wouldn't call them weak. I've little doubt they will take full advantage of the substantially increased cash flow coming their way.
I dont care what they then call it. And they will try to stay neutral not mentioning mantle but doing the excact same thing as dice and get all the advantages. Thats how i would do it . Why should they speak out loud mantle? Its nothing but a risk. After all it was dice that was paid to do so in relation the the bf4 promotion.
I build a PS4-class PC for BF4, especially for doing some comparison. The PC has 8 GB RAM, an FX-4300 CPU and an HD 7850 OC.So now we got the console low level API numbers. Its interresting that the PS4 runs at 1600*900 and the Xbox One at 1280*720 for BF4. How well does a HD7870 run BF4 on the PC under DX?
And thats without considering the dynamic downscaling feature of consoles.
I build a PS4-class PC for BF4, especially for doing some comparison. The PC has 8 GB RAM, an FX-4300 CPU and an HD 7850 OC.
Where the PS4 runs BF4 at 60 frame/sec, the PC is capable to run the game at 35 frame/sec at almost the same quality level. Of Course PS4 is theoretical.
How about:
All will using the Frostbite 3 engine which now includes Mantle.
- Battlefield 4
- Command and Conquer
- Mirrors Edge
- Plants Vs Zombies: Garden Warfare
- Need For Speed: Rivals
- Dragon Age: Inquisition
- Star Wars: Battlefront
- Mass Effect (New Title in the Franchise)
Command and Conquer is now cancelled:
http://kotaku.com/ea-cancels-command-conquer-1454179860
That version *which blew* has been canned; they still will be making a CnC game - which the article stated; just this version blew .... and this version of CnC was a web browser game.....
Is this a webbrowser game?
http://www.commandandconquer.com/en/news/1380/a-new-future-for-command-conquer
All the developers of the 3 major engines should have been working with this for at least a year or two already. Its nothing new to them. They are developing for the new consoles and amd have all the tools, knowledge and the hardware have been here for a long time.
I dont care what they then call it. And they will try to stay neutral not mentioning mantle but doing the excact same thing as dice and get all the advantages. Thats how i would do it . Why should they speak out loud mantle? Its nothing but a risk. After all it was dice that was paid to do so in relation the the bf4 promotion.
We are aware that the performance of AMD Radeon™ graphics cards in Batman: Arkham Origins is not up to user expectations. Despite our effort to improve this situation within the timeframe offered by Warner Brothers, our efforts were refused. Further, the design of the game fundamentally and deliberately prohibits AMD’s software engineers from collaborating with the developers to design performance optimizations that can be integrated into the game’s codebase.
No need to designate the culprit namely....
From the early BF4 benchs we can see that AMD/Dice
didnt cripple the game for Nvidia s GPUs in legacy DX11
mode but unfortunately their competitor is totaly
unscrupulous on this matter according to AMD....
No need to designate the culprit namely....
From the early BF4 benchs we can see that AMD/Dice
didnt cripple the game for Nvidia s GPUs in legacy DX11
mode but unfortunately their competitor is totaly
unscrupulous on this matter according to AMD....
No need to designate the culprit namely....
What's your source?
So, the culprit is the developer of the game. And exactly how did they deliberately stop these enhancements from being made? Was there code that said if gpuDetected.equals(AMD_GPU) {return nonOptimizedPaths()}?
I agree that is pretty shoddy (if true, the source was not named), and the DX11 path for BF4 does seem to work very well for Intel cpus and nVidia cards, so I will give Dice credit for that.
However, AMD can make any kind of magnanimous statements they want about making mantle an open platform, but effectively they are also locking out Intel and nVidia, since the API runs only on GCN hardware. So *if* mantle is a hugh benefit they are effectively doing the same thing, only with hardware rather than refusing access to the software.