Mantle requires the same driver Xbox requires to access the same hardware.
PhysX doesn't run on the CPU without software. How can it run on the Xbox 360 without installing the same software? Are you telling me Microsoft supports PhysX?
Yes and they have mention in there site to and if not than AMD is laying.Direct access for GCN 2.0 it means no HD 4xxx,5xxx,6xxx can use mantle.Mantle requires a driver for direct hardware access. Else its not a low level API anymore.
Dear child got many names. Mislabel? Yes. They also call it system software.
Have you reached the conclusion yet that PhysX dont have any drivers when running on the CPU? Or are you still searching?
Mantle wont run without a hardware driver to support it. Are you saying consoles ship with Mantle drivers that MS and Sony wrote? I dont think so. Its time you let go of Mantle and consoles, its just not happening.
Mantle wont run without a hardware driver to support it. Are you saying consoles ship with Mantle drivers that MS and Sony wrote? I dont think so. Its time you let go of Mantle and consoles, its just not happening.
PhysX can run on CPU only, meaning no driver support needed.
So, you didnt find the proclaimed driver I assume. Time to leave it there then.
You very well know neither nVidia or AMD would ever admit it. Because it would be a PR disaster to tell people that they have to pay companies to use their failed technologies that they try what they can to make a decision checkbox when people buy hardware. And I assume as a focus member, its why you question it.
Focus and advocate members got conflict of interrest in these threads.
Just like Xbox 360 which did not give any advantage what so ever in PC games to AMD and neither Nvidia get any advantage through PS3 and that is all [redacted].Again, AMD doesn't need to have mantle in the consoles because the consoles are already optimized for AMD hardware.
Mantle is about porting what allows direct access to the GCN hardware in the consoles to the PC.
The driver that exists in the consoles already work with AMD hardware - it is a GCN driver.
Normally in the PC one couldn't do that because the games are written for DX that has to interact with AMD driver/hardware, Intel driver/hardware and NVIDIA driver/hardware.
But console games are now written and optimized for AMD hardware so that code that interacts directly with the GCN driver and APi in the consoles already exist.
Just like Xbox 360 which did not give any advantage what so ever in PC games to AMD and neither Nvidia get any advantage through PS3 and that is all [redacted].
And here some user are misguiding plz dont post if u dont now.Next gen games are all most all are being developed on PC than ported to console for example Call of duty ghost,BF4,Watch Dog,AC4,Witcher 3,thief,Dark souls 2,Evil within,dying light e.t.c.
Neither AMD or NVIDIA created a copy cat low level API based on the Xbox 360 and PS3 and strapped a PC driver to leverage the console architectures to the desktop architecture.
Of course the Xenos and the RSX were not the same architecture AMD and NVIDIA used for their Radeon HD 2000 and Geforce 8 series.
Multiplatform games are developed on PCs but using console tools.
Hmmm. Shinta, my posts here have NOTHING to do with bias or anything. Actually completely unbiased of me to ask for PROOF. Do not try to turn this into a "you're biased, they're biased" discussion. There was NONE of that til you mentioned it. I'm going to have to ask you to start sourcing your claims otherwise you would be knowingly posting falsified information here. I know a member who was banned for doing such. Just saying. Play right or don't play. You are purposely ignoring things that people are trying to explain to you.
Some friendly advice.
Just like Xbox 360 which did not give any advantage what so ever in PC games to AMD and neither Nvidia get any advantage through PS3 and that is all [redacted].
And here some user are misguiding plz dont post if u dont now.Next gen games are all most all are being developed on PC than ported to console for example Call of duty ghost,BF4,Watch Dog,AC4,Witcher 3,thief,Dark souls 2,Evil within,dying light e.t.c.
Bro it is just marketing.AMD only developed the hardware not software and here we are talking about software(application).Do u think Sony or Ms will there secrets of optimizing games to AMD and than they came out with a brilliant plan to develop there API called Mantle
Sir plz can u tell which kind of Console tool are u talking about plz kindly post ur source than if it is ur IMO than plz post that to and plz again we dont now how what will mantle do or how it performances will be it just hype actual performance will be after the real patch comes.
Bro it is just marketing.AMD only developed the hardware not software and here we are talking about software(application).Do u think Sony or Ms will there secrets of optimizing games to AMD and than they came out with a brilliant plan to develop there API called Mantle
Sir plz can u tell which kind of Console tool are u talking about plz kindly post ur source than if it is ur IMO than plz post that to and plz again we dont now how what will mantle do or how it performances will be it just hype actual performance will be after the real patch comes.
What are you trying to say? Could you please post in English
Just like Xbox 360 which did not give any advantage what so ever in PC games to AMD and neither Nvidia get any advantage through PS3 and that is all bullshit.
And here some user are misguiding plz dont post if u dont now.Next gen games are all most all are being developed on PC than ported to console for example Call of duty ghost,BF4,Watch Dog,AC4,Witcher 3,thief,Dark souls 2,Evil within,dying light e.t.c.
i am did not say that.What i meant is people are saying games will be ported from console to pc but mostly upcoming games are developed on pc .Some people say here that DX will die soon and mantle will take over which is extremely BS but the fact is Mantle will be running on DX so it is not an independent API .I'll translate it for you.
It's not fair, I'm running NVidia hardware and they are the best. Mantle will be nothing more than a cheat! AMD can't make it work just like their crappy drivers! Long live NVidia the gods of PC gaming.
Ok, let's calm down. Thread crapping will not be tolerated.
-Rvenger
You got a bad rap on this one. I did kind of find it strange you asked for proof AMD paid all the developers. I doubt they did but most likely we'll never know for sure. The initial 8m rumor could be nothing more than a joint development cost to get Mantle up and running.
i am did not say that.What i meant is people are saying games will be ported from console to pc but mostly upcoming games are developed on pc .Some people say here that DX will die soon and mantle will take over which is extremely BS but the fact is Mantle will be running on DX so it is not an independent API .
People here are excited and hyping but we all dont now actual performance yet until patch come out for BF4 that is all i want to say.
No still it is not it will just marketing.Reviews from other site are better when actual patch come see performance by ur self.What do you mean by Mantle runs DX? Yes, it has support for DX HLSL, but it's a separate API from DX.
Actually, we should see performance numbers at the coming AMD developer summit, Wednesday to be exact (both the Oxide presentation and Frostbite one should show performance of Mantle, hopefully even some numbers).
No still it is not it will just marketing.Reviews from other site are better when actual patch come see performance by ur self.
i am did not say that.What i meant is people are saying games will be ported from console to pc but mostly upcoming games are developed on pc .Some people say here that DX will die soon and mantle will take over which is extremely BS but the fact is Mantle will be running on DX so it is not an independent API .
People here are excited and hyping but we all dont now actual performance yet until patch come out for BF4 that is all i want to say.
i am did not say that.What i meant is people are saying games will be ported from console to pc but mostly upcoming games are developed on pc .Some people say here that DX will die soon and mantle will take over which is extremely BS but the fact is Mantle will be running on DX so it is not an independent API .
People here are excited and hyping but we all dont now actual performance yet until patch come out for BF4 that is all i want to say.
lol, best post I've read in a while.I must to agree, Mantle is bad true. Johan Andersson is known poser who wildly exaggerate. It is desperate scam going to leave AMD with big ostrich egg on face.
Mantle is a brilliant move by AMD. We will see how it goes but what ever the gains are there are a few things to account for and I will mention only two:
1. We know, that gains are not in the single digit. Let's take 10% gains.
Every GPU generation gets 20% increase (the number doesn't really matter). Next generation of Nvidia cards will have to be at least 30% faster, than the current one, and that's just to get even.
In order for people to be stimulated to purchase a new card there has to be a substantial (justifiable) gains, so we are talking 40% and up.
2. Those with older and weaker GPUs (note, that HD7xxx is already 2 years old) will receive a second wind and without additional costs. Combine that with additional driver improvements...
Minkoff, what are you doing? You "know" performance gains are not in the single digits? Really? How do you know this when not ONE IOTA of performance information resulting from Mantle use has been released or posted anywhere in public?
Minkoff, what are you doing? You "know" performance gains are not in the single digits? Really? How do you know this when not ONE IOTA of performance information resulting from Mantle use has been released or posted anywhere in public? See, this is the kind of posting I have a tremendous issue with. You actually just said out loud, that Mantle was a brilliant move for AMD. Why? What have you seen that deems it brilliant?
See what I'm getting at?
And please, none of that "Any fool could see" nonsense.
Stop praising this thing until we get some concrete info for goodness sake.
When it comes out and it does well, then I'll raise the roof with you, but until then dude, stop promoting.