The downside of Crossfire

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Matthias99
On the flipside, you can say that building the extra hardware to handle SLI into the core of every NVIDIA GPU adds extra cost/heat output to all the users that aren't using SLI. It's a tradeoff, like anything else. Either you build the multi-card support into all the cards, or you sell a separate product that only people who want to use multi-card setups have to buy.

With the exception of one ultra high end card, NVIDIA's cards cost less and run cooler so it's not affecting the end user at all.

The way ATI does Crossfire requires more hardware support than NVIDIA's solution (so for NVIDIA, the added cost is smaller). The tradeoff is that you get (essentially) free SuperAA with a separate compositing engine, and maybe lower CPU overhead.

The higher cost on ATI's parts has been decreasing. The X1800 parts have only been on the market for about two months, compared to 6+ for the GF7s.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo

So because you want to believe HardOCP readers and their video editor are "stupid", they must be? :roll:

Why don't you buy a X1800XT Crossfire rig and see if you can get it to work right?

Since you're presumably not "stupid"?

I won't hold my breath, it's a lot easier to pimp ATI than open your wallet, isn't it?

No need for that since there are numerous reviews out there that show that it works just fine. If it's such a non-working mess, I wonder how these numerous reviewers managed to benchmark multiple games and not report any major problems.

AT said the DFI Crossfire motherboard was great too, and users/H had many problems with it.

Your money isn't where your mouth is, so your opinion means much less to me. I bought 4 SLI sets, and three SLI motherboards. When I say I've had no problems with them, you can pretty much believe it.

You have no Crossfire, you're like a guy posting, "Man I hear those Porsches handle excellent!" that doesn't own one.

The three guys who's word you're doubting have one BIG factor of credibility you don't: they've actually used the hardware.

You don't have Crossfire either so by your own measure your opinion doesn't count.

:laugh:

LOL so owned. That was classic.

Hardly, he has experience with SLI to back up his claims of stability. Furthermore, he can use the experience of the 2 users + editor I posted in the OP as proof that Crossfire has problems with end users.

I have SLI experience with Voodoo2's since 1998 so my experience is longer and greater.

I think you just owned yourself there.

And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Matthias99
On the flipside, you can say that building the extra hardware to handle SLI into the core of every NVIDIA GPU adds extra cost/heat output to all the users that aren't using SLI. It's a tradeoff, like anything else. Either you build the multi-card support into all the cards, or you sell a separate product that only people who want to use multi-card setups have to buy.

With the exception of one ultra high end card, NVIDIA's cards cost less and run cooler so it's not affecting the end user at all.

The way ATI does Crossfire requires more hardware support than NVIDIA's solution (so for NVIDIA, the added cost is smaller). The tradeoff is that you get (essentially) free SuperAA with a separate compositing engine, and maybe lower CPU overhead.

The higher cost on ATI's parts has been decreasing. The X1800 parts have only been on the market for about two months, compared to 6+ for the GF7s.

I'd happily trade off super AA in exchange for a solution built into the GPU that doesn't require a master card. Dongles I could live with although I'd much rather ATi used a similar bridge solution like nVidia.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Because nVidia SLI has nothing in common with 3dfx SLI apart from the name. In fact, ATi has more in common (dongles) with 3dfx SLI than nVidia does. As for the FPS challenge, I'll leave that up to Rollo to answer though it has no relevance to this thread.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I'd happily trade off super AA in exchange for a solution built into the GPU that doesn't require a master card. Dongles I could live with although I'd much rather ATi used a similar bridge solution like nVidia.

Other people may have a different opinion on that -- theoretically, the way ATI does it can provide better performance, and is far more effective at SuperAA. But it requires some extra hardware on the 'master' card, and ATI chose to only put it on some cards to make it cheaper for the VAST majority of people not using Crossfire. There are tradeoffs on both sides.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Because nVidia SLI has nothing in common with 3dfx SLI apart from the name. As for the FPS challenge, I'll leave that up to Rollo to answer.

It's the exact same concept. What do you mean, "nothing in common"?

Do you even know what SLI means? Seriously.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I have SLI experience with Voodoo2's since 1998 so my experience is longer and greater.

O rly?

I had 4 V2 12MB SLI sets and one V2 8MB SLI set, not to mention my 6600GT/6800NU/6800GT/7800GTX set?

Going to stick with that logic?

For that matter I still have 4 sli sets, one of them the Creative V2 12MBs.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Because nVidia SLI has nothing in common with 3dfx SLI apart from the name. As for the FPS challenge, I'll leave that up to Rollo to answer.

It's the exact same concept. What do you mean, "nothing in common"?

Do you even know what SLI means? Seriously.

You just owned yourself twice now - keep it up. BTW go read this: http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=548&cid=2

Like I said, apart from sharing the SLI nomenclature, they are vastly different.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Because nVidia SLI has nothing in common with 3dfx SLI apart from the name. As for the FPS challenge, I'll leave that up to Rollo to answer.

It's the exact same concept. What do you mean, "nothing in common"?

Do you even know what SLI means? Seriously.

You just owned yourself twice now - keep it up. BTW go read this: http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=548&cid=2

Like I said, apart from sharing the SLI nomenclature, they are vastly different.

It's only different if you believe that a "gpu" is different from a "videocard chip".

Vastly different how? Umm, 2 cards to do the job of 1. Umm, wait, umm help Rollo? lol

To quote an old man I know... "they are exactly the same, only different". :laugh:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I have SLI experience with Voodoo2's since 1998 so my experience is longer and greater.

O rly?

I had 4 V2 12MB SLI sets and one V2 8MB SLI set, not to mention my 6600GT/6800NU/6800GT/7800GTX set?

Going to stick with that logic?

For that matter I still have 4 sli sets, one of them the Creative V2 12MBs.

Crazyfool has now been owned 3x. 3 strikes and youuuu're outta here!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Because your "experience" with SLI is miniscule compared to mine?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

All that would prove is you have more time to play games than me.
Unfortunately, we weren't talking about "who would win at UT", we were talking about the downside of Crossfire?

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Errr, how old are you? 12?

[/quote]

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Because your "experience" with SLI is miniscule compared to mine?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

All that would prove is you have more time to play games than me.
Unfortunately, we weren't talking about "who would win at UT", we were talking about the downside of Crossfire?

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Errr, how old are you? 12?

[/quote]
I will take that to mean "I am scared to play games, I only play 3DMark".

I will also bet I am am older than you.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I have SLI experience with Voodoo2's since 1998 so my experience is longer and greater.

O rly?

I had 4 V2 12MB SLI sets and one V2 8MB SLI set, not to mention my 6600GT/6800NU/6800GT/7800GTX set?

Going to stick with that logic?

For that matter I still have 4 sli sets, one of them the Creative V2 12MBs.

Crazyfool has now been owned 3x. 3 strikes and youuuu're outta here!

I think my earlier post proves that you can not say "owned" on your own post, noob. :laugh:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Because nVidia SLI has nothing in common with 3dfx SLI apart from the name. As for the FPS challenge, I'll leave that up to Rollo to answer.

It's the exact same concept. What do you mean, "nothing in common"?

Do you even know what SLI means? Seriously.

You just owned yourself twice now - keep it up. BTW go read this: http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=548&cid=2

Like I said, apart from sharing the SLI nomenclature, they are vastly different.

It's only different if you believe that a "gpu" is different from a "videocard chip".

Vastly different how? Umm, 2 cards to do the job of 1. Umm, wait, umm help Rollo? lol

To quote an old man I know... "they are exactly the same, only different". :laugh:

You keep owning yourself with bizarre posts like this. SLI 3dfx was scan line interleave, each card rendered every other line of the screen. nVidia SLI each card renders either some percentage of the whole screen (SFR) or every other frame. (AFR)

5150 is right, you are wrong, and know you'll probably tell us you'd own us at hopscotch or jacks. :roll:

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I have SLI experience with Voodoo2's since 1998 so my experience is longer and greater.

O rly?

I had 4 V2 12MB SLI sets and one V2 8MB SLI set, not to mention my 6600GT/6800NU/6800GT/7800GTX set?

Going to stick with that logic?

For that matter I still have 4 sli sets, one of them the Creative V2 12MBs.

And still no Crossfire set so cork it. :laugh:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Because your "experience" with SLI is miniscule compared to mine?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

All that would prove is you have more time to play games than me.
Unfortunately, we weren't talking about "who would win at UT", we were talking about the downside of Crossfire?

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Errr, how old are you? 12?

I will take that to mean "I am scared to play games, I only play 3DMark".

I will also bet I am am older than you.
[/quote]

I play UT2004 almost daily as Old Nick.

What you should take that to mean "Rollo doesn't socialize with with strange forum members who somehow think gaming skill is a substitute for having a decent gaming computer".

 

[Corporate Thug]

wow, this has turned into a "i have this and that thread", real nice

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Because your "experience" with SLI is miniscule compared to mine?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

All that would prove is you have more time to play games than me.
Unfortunately, we weren't talking about "who would win at UT", we were talking about the downside of Crossfire?

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Errr, how old are you? 12?

I will take that to mean "I am scared to play games, I only play 3DMark".

I will also bet I am am older than you.

I play UT2004 almost daily as Old Nick.

What you should take that to mean "Rollo doesn't socialize with with strange forum members who somehow think gaming skill is a substitute for having a decent gaming computer".
[/quote]

Let me own, umm play you, in UT2k4!

I must be anti-social as I have played on almost all the AT UT2k4 servers I have ever seen. Even helped promote one for a while.

Too bad it is not that graphically intense like COD2 but I bet I win by a large margin in any case. I will wait on an IP.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Because your "experience" with SLI is miniscule compared to mine?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

All that would prove is you have more time to play games than me.
Unfortunately, we weren't talking about "who would win at UT", we were talking about the downside of Crossfire?

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Errr, how old are you? 12?

I will take that to mean "I am scared to play games, I only play 3DMark".

I will also bet I am am older than you.

I play UT2004 almost daily as Old Nick.

What you should take that to mean "Rollo doesn't socialize with with strange forum members who somehow think gaming skill is a substitute for having a decent gaming computer".

Let me own, umm play you, in UT2k4!

I must be anti-social as I have played on almost all the AT UT2k4 servers I have ever seen. Even helped promote one for a while.

Too bad it is not that graphically intense like COD2 but I bet I win by a large margin in any case. I will wait on an IP.
[/quote]


Hey that's great, why don't you setup your own challenge thread instead of derailing this one?

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Because your "experience" with SLI is miniscule compared to mine?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

All that would prove is you have more time to play games than me.
Unfortunately, we weren't talking about "who would win at UT", we were talking about the downside of Crossfire?

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Errr, how old are you? 12?

I will take that to mean "I am scared to play games, I only play 3DMark".

I will also bet I am am older than you.

I play UT2004 almost daily as Old Nick.

What you should take that to mean "Rollo doesn't socialize with with strange forum members who somehow think gaming skill is a substitute for having a decent gaming computer".

Let me own, umm play you, in UT2k4!

I must be anti-social as I have played on almost all the AT UT2k4 servers I have ever seen. Even helped promote one for a while.

Too bad it is not that graphically intense like COD2 but I bet I win by a large margin in any case. I will wait on an IP.

Hey that's great, why don't you setup your own challenge thread instead of derailing this one?[/quote]
Hush, Rollo Jr. The adults are talking.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
It's just true over almost all of his post. He has no first hand experience over the majority of ATI cards, but he can talk bad about them non-stop.

O rly?

I bet I have experience with more ATI cards than you, little buddy?

I have purchased one of every flagship ATI card since the Rage Fury, with the exception of the X1800XT. ( and it's not my fault they released the thing when the year was about over and I already had a 7800GTX SLI rig that pwned it)

How about you? Care to list the ATI cards you've bought compared to this list?

ATI Mach32 VESA, Xpert, Rage FURY, MAXX, Radeon VIVO, Radeon 32 DDR, 8500, 9700Pro, 9800Pro, X800XT PE.

Presumably, since you're doing all this "owning" and "I have no experience with ATI cards" your list will be MUCH more impressive.
:laugh:

Sigh.

Since you apparently lack the intelligence (other than what some company wants you to say), I Never said I owned anyone. I said the other guy owned you.

The question was never about what I've owned or used. I don't sit around bashing on companies. Believe me, I've purchased and maintained far more graphics cards than you ever will.

How much experience have you had with the Crossfire Rollo? You're so game to jump on someone else for saying something about a product they've never used...but by god you're the first one to talk about how crappy it is.

Lets hear it "little buddy".

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Hey that's great, why don't you setup your own challenge thread instead of derailing this one?

LOL

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Because your "experience" with SLI is miniscule compared to mine?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

All that would prove is you have more time to play games than me.
Unfortunately, we weren't talking about "who would win at UT", we were talking about the downside of Crossfire?

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Errr, how old are you? 12?

I will take that to mean "I am scared to play games, I only play 3DMark".

I will also bet I am am older than you.

I play UT2004 almost daily as Old Nick.

What you should take that to mean "Rollo doesn't socialize with with strange forum members who somehow think gaming skill is a substitute for having a decent gaming computer".

Let me own, umm play you, in UT2k4!

I must be anti-social as I have played on almost all the AT UT2k4 servers I have ever seen. Even helped promote one for a while.

Too bad it is not that graphically intense like COD2 but I bet I win by a large margin in any case. I will wait on an IP.

Hey that's great, why don't you setup your own challenge thread instead of derailing this one?

Hush, Rollo Jr. The adults are talking.

[/quote]


I guess that automatically excludes you.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
And how would that be? That I have experience in the field of SLI?

Because your "experience" with SLI is miniscule compared to mine?

Here's a better idea. I will play Rollo one-on-one in any FPS of his choosing with my out-of-date videocard and I bet you it's an ugly slaughter, lol. 3dMark05 is not a game!

All that would prove is you have more time to play games than me.
Unfortunately, we weren't talking about "who would win at UT", we were talking about the downside of Crossfire?

How about FEAR or COD2 or some game that SLI supposedly runs circles around my lowly X850? I buy these cards for more than bragging rights and 3DMark scores. Double dare? :laugh:

Errr, how old are you? 12?

I will take that to mean "I am scared to play games, I only play 3DMark".

I will also bet I am am older than you.

I play UT2004 almost daily as Old Nick.

What you should take that to mean "Rollo doesn't socialize with with strange forum members who somehow think gaming skill is a substitute for having a decent gaming computer".

Let me own, umm play you, in UT2k4!

I must be anti-social as I have played on almost all the AT UT2k4 servers I have ever seen. Even helped promote one for a while.

Too bad it is not that graphically intense like COD2 but I bet I win by a large margin in any case. I will wait on an IP.

Hey that's great, why don't you setup your own challenge thread instead of derailing this one?

Hush, Rollo Jr. The adults are talking.

I guess that automatically excludes you.[/quote]
Come on... one of you guys must use your systems to game...

And this was with a 9800Pro, lol

 

[TecHNooB]

Please, stop nesting quotes; it's tough on the spectators T_T