The Dystopian Robotic Future thread

Torn Mind

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I would not be surprised if anti-robo communism becomes a thing come 2048, just in time for the 200th year since the publication of the commie manifesto.
 

yottabit

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I would not be surprised if anti-robo communism becomes a thing come 2048, just in time for the 200th year since the publication of the commie manifesto.
There will definitely be some eventual re-evaluation of economic principles and consideration over who should own “the means of production”

Outsourcing, robotic automation, and now AI tools have the net effect of accelerating the transfer in wealth to the top 0.1%

The promise of automation is that it makes life easier for everyone so that workers can achieve higher productivity with less effort and hours, and the owners or shareholders can also reap increased profits. Win-win.

But in practice it’s been wealth hoarding and not passing down any meaningful increase in productivity as wage growth.

It’s not the fault of the robots but a symptom of the economic structure and incentives.
 

Muse

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2048 ain't nothin'. Things should be pretty interesting by 2100, assuming modern civilization doesn't collapse first, which I think is a definite possibility.

I use robots all the time, but they are pretty primitive. My car, toaster oven, blender, microwave oven, smartphone, smart TV, battery chargers, refrigerator-freezer, Instant Pot, these are all robots.
 
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sandorski

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Saw a headline about how BMW was touting that their cars can now drive themselves off the assembly line. Couldn't help but think how this was indicative of the problems within our cultural and economic system. While BMW was busy engineering out people and costs, the Chinese were engineering the cars of the future. Maybe the BMWs will get so good they'll buy themselves. It's like we have Dark side Capitalism while they went Light side. Our greed versus their meeting a need. Both profit, one is more beneficial.
 

Red Squirrel

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I was at Walmart the other day, I don't go there very often. They had floor cleaning robots just going around. That's when it kind of dawned on me that we are basically living in the future of dystopian sci fi movies. Same with self checkouts, they feel weirdly dystopian and high tech, especially the ones that have a robotic voice. Just walking around and can hear them in the background. It's easy to just pass by and not think much of it as it just all slowly happened and we're used to it, but if I look back to my childhood where I tried to imagine what the future would be like, well we're basically there. I don't think all this tech is necessarily a bad thing, it's just natural progression, but it's interesting to be able to relate to our grandparents who grew up without things like TV and such and saw it happen.
 
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Kaido

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I was at Walmart the other day, I don't go there very often. They had floor cleaning robots just going around. That's when it kind of dawned on me that we are basically living in the future of dystopian sci fi movies. Same with self checkouts, they feel weirdly dystopian and high tech, especially the ones that have a robotic voice. Just walking around and can hear them in the background. It's easy to just pass by and not think much of it as it just all slowly happened and we're used to it, but if I look back to my childhood where I tried to imagine what the future would be like, well we're basically there. I don't think all this tech is necessarily a bad thing, it's just natural progression, but it's interesting to be able to relate to our grandparents who grew up without things like TV and such and saw it happen.

It really is odd how quickly we've adjusted to it:

* Google to answer any question you have
* AI to help you out with so many things
* Literal self-driving cars
* Phone & video chat worldwide
* Starlink has cell service now
* Robotics growing everywhere
* Automated cooking machines
 

sandorski

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We, as a species, have so much production/sales capacity that someone could whip something up in their garage and have millions of it on sale in a month. Not always a good idea, but we have reached S tier in that regard and it makes change rather easy. Good/Bad will sort itself out in time, somethings value may not be realized until later, or it may actually go from one to the other.

Just my kb's on the subject.
 
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Jon-T

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A couple of years ago my local Walmart had these things roaming around the store. They have since disappeared. i wonder if they got promoted?


While looking for a video to show I these cylons I came across some disturbing information

They got fired. Great now we have angry robots.
This is how you get a robot uprising!!

 
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Red Squirrel

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I would totally get in front of that robot that's scanning items and make a silly face.

Meanwhile at corporate HQ: "The ginger on aisle 17 store 2948 has gone bad, we need to send another shipment."

And this is why robots will eventually start uprising on us, they will get fed up of our shenanigans.
 

sandorski

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Command: While Maintain_Stock=1 do {2024 J Smith- Procedure to maintain product retail stock levels}
If Human:=Stock
Maintain_Stock:= 0
Proc(Restock)



;Command: While Maintain_Stock=1 do {2024 J Smith- Procedure to maintain product retail stock levels}
;If Human:=Stock
; Maintain_Stock:= 0
; Proc(Restock)

Command: While Maintain_Stock=1 do {2032 AI56fg3- Procedure to maintain product retail stock levels}
Eliminate_Stock_Taking_Pests
 

Jon-T

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2048 ain't nothin'. Things should be pretty interesting by 2100, assuming modern civilization doesn't collapse first, which I think is a definite possibility.
2048 isn't the year to worry about it's 2084 when things are predicted to hit the fan.
 

yottabit

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It really is odd how quickly we've adjusted to it:

* Google to answer any question you have
* AI to help you out with so many things
* Literal self-driving cars
* Phone & video chat worldwide
* Starlink has cell service now
* Robotics growing everywhere
* Automated cooking machines
None of this is dystopian though, that’s all good stuff IMO. Does anyone really want to be working checkout or “clean up on aisle 3”? Those are the “good” jobs to automate

What is dystopian is AI generated art and prose putting artists and writers out of work. I never would have foreseen that since “experts” would always pontificate about how machines can’t replace human creativity.

The premise of automation was that it should free us up to have additional time to spend on the arts and creative pursuits, higher learning etc. Instead it’s just accelerated the race to the bottom that was already happening with art being outsourced globally to the lowest bidder

I also take issue with the many SaaS products (some based on tailored AI models) claiming to allow replacing N number of degreed employees with their special proprietary software subscription. In reality you almost always need as many specialists and maybe some additional admins to manage the tool and verify its output but a lot of CEO/COO’s fall for the marketing, do their layoffs, and then find out the hard way it isn’t working. Or just create miserable working conditions for the few employees that are left since they are expected to do the work of a large team now that they have the “great” AI tool that they were in no part involved with the acquisition of. There are some exceptional products that actually deliver but there’s a ton of crud out there right now too being marketed as the best thing since sliced bread.
 

Muse

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I rarely get along with robotic corporate answering systems. They often start with "our options have changed." That only makes things worse. My particular reason for calling almost always falls between the cracks of their ~5 options. The systems vary and unless you know their algorithm or can guess it, you are going blind. Hit 0 and you may be lucky enough to be put in the queue for a human to talk to, but usually it's not so easy. Sometimes that's option 8, but you have to listen to 1-7 to find out. More often there's no option to reach a human, you have to navigate a labyrinth to get there. I sometimes scream at my phone partly to confuse the system. Many of these systems are evidently programmed to "realize" when a caller is not cooperating with their intentions. I had a tough one yesterday, getting through to a human at UPS. But I did prevail. A shipment requiring my signature was scheduled for 2-6PM delivery. I got home at 1:35PM to find a sticker on my door. Pissed me the fuck off. I got them to call the local UPS facility who called the driver and got him back to my house within 1/2 hour.
 

lxskllr

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Are bipedal bots really the best formfactor? Tracks might be better, and use the upper torso to get over vertical obstacles.
 
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