Granted the Asus one appears to be much better than the Toshiba one, but the Toshiba one is the one with the Z3370, which makes me wonder just how limited the Z3770 will be in quantity, and how highly priced.
Granted the Asus one appears to be much better than the Toshiba one, but the Toshiba one is the one with the Z3370, which makes me wonder just how limited the Z3770 will be in quantity, and how highly priced.
Go read the Anandtech preview again in the conclusion, and read between the lines. Its seldom with that tone for a new Intel cpu.
Sorry that's what I meant, Z3770.
Your posting has nothing to do with my TDP answer. Anand obviously expected a new GPU king or Core i-x performance level, his expectations were a bit off I think.
If the games that most people play on tablets and smartphones are stuff like angry birds and candy crush saga, you certainly don't need the fastest gpu you can have. In fact, that would just make battery life worse, as more powerful gpus consume more power than what is strictly needed to run the game at a satisfactory level.
Considering that the A4-1500 is barely 2x faster in gpu than Baytrail and has a 500mhz gpu, what makes you think Temash would do just as well with the same gpu part clocked at 225-300mhz?
To be quite honest i'm waiting for better tablets as well. I think the chip has the potential to be used to great effect, so if there's a tablet with a 1920x1080 screen with full Windows 8.1, i'm game for 300-350$. I'd buy it. For 1200x800 not so much. Having used the iPad, it's obvious that resolution makes a dramatic difference, so I don't think i'm content with 1200x800. Clearly the chip can do better than that, so what's the reason for this? IMO - I still think the Windows license is a large share of the cost here. MS needs to work with intel in driving that price down, IMO.
People play games for the Hardware they have. You dont expect people to play Crysis 3 on Tablets do you ?? But if you have a faster GPU you will play more 3D games with higher IQ characteristics. And here comes Temash, you will be able to play more games or with higher Image Quality than BayTrail.
Bay Trail T is designed for 1-2W Tablets, something that AMD *not surprisingly* has no product for. Life's rough when AMD has no product that can sell in any product segment,
AMD Temash A4-1200 3.9W TDP is made for Tablets, and BayTrail-T is not 1.2W TDP, thats SDP.
Yeah and how does it perform with turbo disabled? All i've seen are comparisons to the A4-5000 which is a turbo chip with a 17W TDP. I'm guessing that without turbo the performance will suffer dramatically as a result.
In real games, that drivers play more important role in performance, im expecting a 3.9W A4-1200 Temash to be on average close to ~70-80% faster than BayTrail Z3770. Ahh and thats for DX-9, i dont believe BayTrail can even run DX-11 games(drivers).
AtenRa said:From AT preview, its clear that BayTrail has half the Performance of HD3000 at 15W in real Games. That is, it will almost have the performance of HD2000 at 15W.
3D Mark 2013 (IceStorm) must be the best case in GPU performance for Baytrail. I believe the driver is 3D Mark optimized. BayTrail scores 13850 in IceStorm, when two year old AMD Z-60 scores close to 12000. Im expecting Temash to be close to ~20000 in the same Benchmark.
Ahh and thats for DX-9, i dont believe BayTrail can even run DX-11 games(drivers).
People play games for the Hardware they have. You dont expect people to play Crysis 3 on Tablets do you ?? But if you have a faster GPU you will play more 3D games with higher IQ characteristics. And here comes Temash, you will be able to play more games or with higher Image Quality than BayTrail.
Of yourse it can. Gen7 is DX11. As for the gaming, a Windows game not only requires a decent GPU it also requires an appropriate CPU power.
To illustrate it on a A6-1450 8W Temash from Notebookcheck:
The GPU might be good enough for much higer fps but the CPU is often a big bottleneck on Windows gaming. If you are for Windows gaming, a tablet is a very very bad choice.
This 3.9W TDP Temash has an embarassing 1/3 of A4 5000's CPU performance. Z3770 matches/beats an A4 5000 CPU-wise. Thats a huge gap.
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7314/58065.png
Better check your expectations again. At 500MHz the 128 GNC cores GPU from A4 5000 score ~23k (with pretty good CPU performance from 4C @ 1.5GHz). At 225MHz coupled with a slow 2C 1GHz Jaguar it will be at best close to Z3770's gaming performance and far below 20k @ Ice Storm.
The A4-1200 will probably have similar single-threaded performance to the Z3470 I believe, but lacks the extra two cores. It's probably quite nice in a 10" tablet but I honestly don't think AMD is any real competition anyway, and the A4-1200 is the lowest bin of Kabini. They must be fairly cheap and inevitably end up in craptops instead.
As i have said before, 3D Mark Ice Storm is the baste case scenario for BayTrail GPU performance.
Also from the AT graph you quoted, BayTrail Z-3770 has the same performance in Ice Storm as the two year old E-350 that has HALF the Radeon cores(80) and with an older VLIW5 architecture. If you believe that Temash with 128 Radeon Cores (GCN) will have the same performance you are mistaken.
Let me get this straight,
Why people believe that Baytrail GPU performance is acceptable when it is slower than Last years Bobcat 2.0 iGPU performance ?? Last year everyone was saying that Bobcat 2.0 GPU performance was not acceptable because you couldn't play modern 3d games.
Yeah and how does it perform with turbo disabled? All i've seen are comparisons to the A4-5000 which is a turbo chip with a 17W TDP.
Also from the AT graph you quoted, BayTrail Z-3770 has the same performance in Ice Storm as the two year old E-350 that has HALF the Radeon cores(80) and with an older VLIW5 architecture. If you believe that Temash with 128 Radeon Cores (GCN) will have the same performance you are mistaken.