The Intel Atom Thread

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Though just how quickly is this actually? If you consider their 'performance' offerings of A9, A15, A57 they've been on a 2 year cadence in terms of actual shipping SoCs (2010, 2012, then probably this year or early next year for A57.) The 'value' segment seems to be following a similar path with A5, A7, A53 (I'm not certain if A17 should be put there or in a new 'mid range' segment.) Regardless, this is actually a slower cadence of core releases than what you see on the x86 side, which is part of the reason why they can make more drastic changes... and they need to make such changes because of how much ground they can make up by doing so.

Intel is a beast with big core, no doubt -- nobody can touch that.

Intel's little core offerings on the other hand leave much to be desired in terms of release cadence. A Silvermont revision + new 22nm GPU should have been planned in the event that 14nm went awry.

Intel should have stuck with "tick-tock" but it looks like with 14nm (Airmont/Goldmont) they're going to be accelerating that.

We'll see how this all shakes out...interesting times ahead.
 
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Interesting, but it doesn't seem like A12/17 will be used much, since Qualcomm will go straight to A57. A17 probably wasn't a big upgrade compared to Krait anyway. Since Qualcomm has 100% market share in flagship phones, A12 probably won't harm Intel too much.

A17 is being used by Rockchip in the RK3288 along with a Mali T764 quad core GPU at 600 Mhz.

So it may not get good volume with Qualcomm, but we will probably see it quite often in some other lower priced items. (Example, for $79 this little set-top box looks pretty nice with 2GB RAM and Gigabit Ethernet--> http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Tron...Wifi-Bluetooth-Support-4K-OTA-OTG-331615.html ).
 

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Minix launches NEO Z64 set-top box $129 with Bay Trail Z3735F, 2GB DDR3L, 32GB eMMC storage, micro SD, two usb 2.0 ports, 892.11n Wifi, Bluetooth 4.0, HDMI and 10/100 Mbit/s LAN.

It also comes with a wireless IR remote control.

OS: Android 4.4 (but it will Install Windows 8.1 as well)

http://liliputing.com/2014/09/minix-neo-z64-is-a-pint-sized-129-pc-with-android-or-windows.html





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This makes an interesting comparison, of course, to the $79 Tronsmart Orion R28 Pro (RK3288) I linked in the previous post:



One major difference, of course, is the eMMC spec. With the $79 Tronsmart the buyer is only gettig 8GB (compared to the 32GB on the $129 Minix Z64 Neo), but it does have HDMI 2.0 and the LAN is Gigabit.

P.S. There are also two other Tronsmart Orion R28 models of varying specs located on their website--> http://www.tronsmart.com/products/android-tv-box (I noticed the Telos model has a strong spec of 4GB RAM, 32GB eMMC, dual 2.4 GHz/5GHz Wifi, etc. Not sure what price will be. The 2GB, 16GB eMMC, 2.4GHz/5GHz Wifi Orion R28 Meta model is $119.99 on Geekbuying though--> http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Tron...rt-2-4G-5G-Wifi-Bluetooth-OTA-OTG-331614.html )
 

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Looking further into the Geekbuying.com Android Mini PC procesor selections, I see several Bay Trail SKUs listed but no actual models are in the inventory:

http://www.geekbuying.com/category/Android-MINI-PCs-505/

Hopefully that changes in the future and we see some Intel models with some strong networking specs (Gigabit LAN, 2.4 GHz/5 GHz Wifi, etc) show up.
 

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Intel is a beast with big core, no doubt -- nobody can touch that.

That is true, but Apple Cyclone has an impressive IPC for an ARM processor. With Apple taking the lead in IPC like that for ARM it will interesting to see kind of juggling act they could do with clockspeeds and form factors sometime in the future.

Intel's little core offerings on the other hand leave much to be desired in terms of release cadence. A Silvermont revision + new 22nm GPU should have been planned in the event that 14nm went awry.


Maybe having more partnerships (eg, Rockchip) as well as integrating the AMBA bus (or whatever they use) will allow a greater number of x86 variations for Atom based SOCs or APUs.
 
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Busy news day, thanks to the Bay Trail-T products announced @ IFA 2014.

$119 Toshiba Encore Mini is the first Windows 8.1 tablet to take on all the cheap Android slates out there



Toshiba today unveiled the Encore Mini, which seems to be the cheapest tablet ever to run a full version of Windows 8.1. The slate was developed following a “close” collaboration with Microsoft, and it’s obviously the Redmond giant’s attempt to compete with the army of ultra-cheap Android tablets available all around the world.

The Toshiba Encore Mini costs $119, and can be bought starting today from Toshiba’s online store and major retailers. It sports a 7-inch display with a 1024 x 600 pixel resolution, running what Microsoft is calling “Windows 8.1 with Bing”, and offering free 1-year subscription to Office 365 Personal, plus 1 TB (one terabyte) of OneDrive storage space. The new tablet further features Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n, Bluetooth 4.0, a 2 MP rear camera, VGA front-facing camera “with microphone”, 1.83 GHz Intel Atom Z3735G processor, 1 GB of RAM, and 16 GB of expandable internal memory. It seems that Toshiba is selling only a white version of the Encore Mini, with no word on the future availability of other colors.

www.phonearena.com/news/Toshiba-Enc...ll-the-cheap-Android-slates-out-there_id60139

Lenovo unveils the Tab S8, a 64-bit 8-inch slate with Intel inside



The Tab S8 is kicking and ticking thanks to a 64-bit Intel CPU (a quad-core Atom Z3745, to be exact) and is, in fact, Lenovo's first Android tablet that flaunts an Intel-made silicon inside (up until now, Lenovo has only paired Intel's SoCs with Microsoft's OS ecosystem in its tablets). The chip is coming with Burst Performance Technology, which provides processing power on demand only, thus successfully saving you some battery juice when you are using the Lenovo Tab S8 for lighter tasks, somewhat similar to ARM's big.LITTLE technology. Decent enough for a tablet, right?

The Tab S8 is endowed with a 8” display with a resolution of 1920x1200 pixels, resulting in a pixel density of 283ppi. As a side comparison, one of Samsung's more recent 8-inch tablets, the Galaxy Tab 4 8.0, comes with a pixel density of 189ppi, whereas the 7.9” Apple iPad mini 2 is well ahead with a density of 324ppi. Under the hood of the 64-bit slate, one would also find 2GB of RAM, 16GB of storage, optional LTE connectivity (courtesy of Intel's homebrewed XMMTM 7160 cellular modem). The imaging department comprises of an 8MP rear shooter with a f/2.2 sensor, while a more modest 1.6MP front-facing camera will take care of your selfies. The manufacturer also boasts that the battery of the Tab S8 will keep it ticking for roughly 7 hours.

As per the pricing of the Tab S8, Lenovo says that its newest slate will retail for $199 before taxes and subsidies, making it a noteworthy rival on the tablet market. [...]

The Tab S8, as it's called, is an 8-inch device that manages to be almost as thin as both the Retina display iPad mini and the new Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4. In particular, it measures 0.31 inch thick and comes in at 0.65 pound, making it lighter than the iPad and almost as light as the Tab S. More importantly, though, Lenovo's listing it at $199 -- about half the price of what Apple and Samsung are selling.

www.phonearena.com/news/Lenovo-unveils-the-Tab-S8-a-64-bit-8-inch-slate-with-Intel-inside_id60028
www.engadget.com/2014/09/03/lenovo-tab-s8

ASUS' MeMO Pad 7 gets a new chic look, lighter body and sharper screen



It's IFA, so of course ASUS is going to launch a new tablet. This time it's a new MeMO Pad 7 (ME572C) that not only sports a different Intel Atom chip (the 64-bit quad-core Z3560 that clocks up to 1.83GHz), but it also has a new chic look that's "inspired by clutch bags and wallets," as well as a screen upgrade to a whopping 1,920 x 1,200 resolution (323 ppi) -- a nice jump from the predecessor's 1,280 x 800 panel. The new Android 4.4 tablet is also thinner at 8.3mm and slimmer at 269 grams, thanks to its fiberglass body, duralumin frame and slim screen bezels. Other features include 2GB of RAM, 16 or 32GB of internal storage, up to 64GB of microSD expansion, up to 16GB of free cloud storage, dual speakers and 5MP/2MP cameras.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/03/asus-memo-pad-7-ME572C-ME572CL/

Minix Neo Z64 is a pint-sized $129 PC (with Android or Windows)





It looks like the Zotac PI320 Pico won't be the only cigarette pack sized Windows 8.1 PC. Minix is well known for its Android small form factor PCs such as this Minix Neo X8 H and it looks like the company is entering the x86 space with a mini PC based on Intel’s Android Bay Trail 22nm silicon called MINIX NEO Z64.

The MINIX NEO Z64 is a 64-bit Android or Windows 8.1 PC. It ships with Android 4.4.4 out of the box and there is an option to install Windows 8.1 on it. The machine is powered by an Intel Z3735F 64-bit processor with 2 MB of cache and turbo clock of 1.83GHz. It comes with Intel HD graphics and supports full HD 1080p playback. The Atom Z3735F has four cores and four treads with a base clock of 1.33GHz and it has an SDP (Scenario Design Power) of 2.2W. Intel doesn’t want to mention the real TDP of this processor, but it is certainly rather low and fits the small form factor PC. Intel sells this CPU for 17 USD apiece.

Media centre lovers will like the fact that MINIX NEO Z64 comes with support for XMBC. The best part is the price. Company officials told Fudzilla that they plan to price the MINIX NEO Z64 at around $129 which is certainly less than the price Zotac will ask for its new Pico. The machine should launch in the coming weeks and we hope to test one for you rather soon.

www.fudzilla.com/home/item/35635-minix-neo-z64-cost-$129-runs-windows-81

Zotac’s $199 Zbox Pico mini PC fits in your pocket

Zotac has made some pretty small PCs before, but they’ve gone positively Lilliputian with their latest Zbox model. The Zbox Pico is so small that you can actually unplug it and shove it into your pocket. Volume-wise, this thing’s actually smaller than an Apple TV. It measures just 11.5 x 6.6cm and stands just under 2cm high.



The specs are similar to what you’d find in a small Windows 8.1 tablet, as above is the actual system board. Everything that makes the Pico go is soldered on: a quad-core Bay Trail Atom processor, 2GB of RAM, and 32GB of NAND. Zotac has included a micro SD slot for storage expansion, a pair of USB 2.0 ports, HDMI output, Bluetooth 4.0, and both Ethernet and 802.11 b.g.n Wi-Fi. Windows 8.1 with Bing is pre-loaded, so all you have to do is hook up your peripherals and power the Zbox Pico on. Zotac is expecting them to go on sale next month, and at $199 (just like this other Zotac PC), it’s not going to hit your wallet too hard.

www.geek.com/chips/zotacs-199-zbox-...65/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

I'm impressed by the new wave of x86 tablets, clearly an improvement compared with the first BT-T offerings.
 
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I'm reading a Galaxy Alpha preview and it says the modem is the Exynos Modem 303. I thought it was Intel's LTE modem?
 

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1024x600 resolution?! That's bad enough on a 3 year old netbook, never mind a brand new Windows 8 device... unusable.
 
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Intel is literally spamming the market with tablets via its partners. The Samsung strategy. Interesting...
 

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Intel is literally spamming the market with tablets via its partners. The Samsung strategy. Interesting...

ya they are commoditizing the market very quickly. to the benefit of consumers. the value of these baytrail devices is unmatched
 

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Intel is literally spamming the market with tablets via its partners. The Samsung strategy. Interesting...

Intel just enabled a new form factor for Windows devices with Bay Trail, now they have to gain more market share with Android tablets. I hope we'll get some updates on SoFIA next week.
 

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Intel just enabled a new form factor for Windows devices with Bay Trail, now they have to gain more market share with Android tablets. I hope we'll get some updates on SoFIA next week.

Mullins enables the same form factors, but sadly AMD can't afford contra revenue Nice to see cheap and light make a comeback though. On a related note the EeePC is back: http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/03/asus-eeebook-x205/



Hopefully the rebirth if the netbook lures people back from walled garden mobile OS.
 

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1024x600 resolution?! That's bad enough on a 3 year old netbook, never mind a brand new Windows 8 device... unusable.

Agreed it is disgusting but then again it is $120 MSRP but it is competing with crap such as the galaxy tab series. Remember it was a few months ago in may that Samsung was still selling for a 1024x600 galaxy tab 3 7" for $200.

This "dvd" resolution needs to die already just like 480x320 and other crap, Toshiba does this for besides saving only a few dollars gives you the option to be upsold to their $200 dollar models.

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Someone needs to be a "market leader" and bring better specs in this race to the bottom prices. The other oems will only follow suit once they have too.

I am reminded of penguins gathering near the ice cliff to see if there are any killer whales. They want to enter the water to eat the tasty fishes, but they are scared they might be eaten (no profit due to lower ASP), eventually one penquin is knocked into the waters by the other penguins crowding him out and only once they know it is safe will the other penguins jump in.

Well calling all oems, whether it is asus, acer, hp, whoever I do not care give me good cheap tablets for my family members, but still make the medium to high end for people like me. This goes for non traditional oems as well, I love my 1440p shimian korean monitor, I am willing to try your products if the price is right.
 

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Busy news day, thanks to the Bay Trail-T products announced @ IFA 2014.

$119 Toshiba Encore Mini is the first Windows 8.1 tablet to take on all the cheap Android slates out there





www.phonearena.com/news/Toshiba-Enc...ll-the-cheap-Android-slates-out-there_id60139

Thats the $99 Android version with 8gb more of storage and the free version of Windows... they did not even bother to add a HDMI...

I think i gona end up buying a chinese Voyo, better screen, cpu, storage, ram, hdmi and for just $50 more
 

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Yes. But cores is good for marketing and a a7 is 1.5mm2 so i doubt we will see less than 4 of those. We have power gating on all cores today so the there is only a insignificant cost side to it for some good bragging rights.

ah heck. The Arm a7 is a meager 0.5mm2 not 1.5mm2. Just underscores the point even further.
 

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It literally would be unusable, doesnt windows mandate a minimum of 1024*768 for modern apps?

They used to for windows 8. With windows 8.1 they freed up a some of the requirements to allow these craptops and crap tablets, also to encourage more metro apps since eventually metro will run on crappy phones as well.

It is ironic though for you can't install windows 8.1 on a 1024x600 netbook without hacks for you can't install windows 8 on such a computer. Note you can do so with hacks you have to install windows 8 followed by 8.1 since microsoft does not sell the 8.1 image directly only allowing an upgrade option, there are ways to grab the clean os image and then activate after the fact.

It is also ironic that some very nice but old processors such as athlon x2 and core 2 quads 6000 series and 9000 series can't go to windows 8.1 but they do just fine with windows 8. This is because of the CMPXCHG16b instruction is needed for the 64 bit version of 8.1 but not the 32 bit of 8.1 (but the 64 bit version of 8 does not need it). The first versions of athlons 64 bit processors lacked this instruction. The core 2 quads and many other core 2 have it on the chip but if your motherboard firmware was not updated by the vendor to access this function then you are SOL. Because socket 775 is so old coming out of 2004/2005 timeframe many vendors abandon support years ago.
 

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mmmm lets see, i have a E5200 running 8.1 x64 and i do remember my old x2 5000+ running it too.
 

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mmmm lets see, i have a E5200 running 8.1 x64 and i do remember my old x2 5000+ running it too.
Not all AMD x2 had this problem if I recall it was added during the f2 stepping and thus am2 or newer is fine.


http://www.cpu-world.com will tell you if your processor has the required feature just find your stepping and see if they list it. Note AMD kept multiple steppings even with different sockets thus you may need cpu z to find out that info.
 

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Not all AMD x2 had this problem if I recall it was added during the f2 stepping and thus am2 or newer is fine.


http://www.cpu-world.com will tell you if your processor has the required feature just find your stepping and see if they list it. Note AMD kept multiple steppings even with different sockets thus you may need cpu z to find out that info.

I have 8.1 x64 running on my X2 (but it's am2), also had 8.1 x86 (I didn't try x64 because of the ram amount) running on a Venice s754, maybe x64 wouldn't have worked, but for something that old and slow the x86 version is fine anyway,
 

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It is ironic though for you can't install windows 8.1 on a 1024x600 netbook without hacks for you can't install windows 8 on such a computer. Note you can do so with hacks you have to install windows 8 followed by 8.1 since microsoft does not sell the 8.1 image directly only allowing an upgrade option, there are ways to grab the clean os image and then activate after the fact.

?? You can buy 8.1: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.62684800?WT.mc_id=WOL_Buy
 
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