We were talking about iGPUs not CPUs, and the fact remains that at the same TDP and same price points Intel has nothing to directly compete against 35W Ritchland in Graphics performance. And this is with a full node process advantage(22nm) for Intel and an older VLIW4 architecture from AMD on 32nm, wait to see what will happen with Kaveri.
let me take a stab. kaveri will come out have god awful cpu perf, good but ultimately unplayable gpu perform (relative to a discrete) all in a TDP uncompetitive with intel. amd will talk talk up HSA as the next coming of Christ and claim many many many design wins. and ultimately we may see kaveri in a few budget notebooks on the bargain / special sales section of best buy. sort of like what happened with trinity
Let me save this to quote you on Kaveri release
Looks like he called it.
Wish it would have quoted the post atenra replied to. Have a link?
They behaved like money controlling humans in the financial community already 100, 10, and 1 years ago. When did you see a "turn"?Question from JP morgan:
"Do you have a backup plan?"
Answer from intel:
"no"
Reply from JP morgan
"thank you guys. Thats very helpfull"
Reply:
"Sure"
What a mess. JP Morgan wasting our time and their customers money. Great. The financial community and investment environment have turned into the most unproductive forces of our society.
Useless incompetent junk !
VR Zone said:Windows 8.1 Update 1 could arrive in March, bring memory optimization for low-cost tablets
The purported release date comes from ZDNets Mary Jo Foley, who is often right on the money when it comes to Microsoft-related rumors. Update 1 will reportedly be a minor update that could be released on March 11, in addition to the monthly security patches that Microsoft pushes out on the same day. The update was originally expected to be detailed at the companys Build conference in April, but apparently that wont be the case, which is well and good, since Build will likely be reserved for details on Windows 9 and Windows Phone 8.1.
Windows 8.1 Update 1 is expected to bring optimization that reduces the memory usage and disk space requirement of the OS for low-cost tablets, which could go a long way in helping the OS gain some footing amidst the onslaught of cheap Android tablets that currently flood the market. Furthermore, the update will reportedly include the ability to pin Metro-style apps to the task bar (with thumbnail previews and the option to close apps with a right-click), and other general improvements to add polish to Windows 8.1.
Intel plans more Bay Trail-T processors for tablets
As was reported by Digitimes in December, Intel is going to release budget versions of Bay Trail-T systems on a chip (SoC) later this year. Model numbers and possible launch window of these processors were revealed by an Emdoor OEM manufacturer roadmap, published by padnews.cn. [...]
More here: http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/..._more_Bay_Trail-T_processors_for_tablets.html
@ CHADBOGA, great post.
Chinese manufacturer 51Cube is ready to jump into the Windows 8 convertible fray. Their newly-announced iwork 10 is a dockable tablet that follows in the footsteps of the Microsoft Surface and Asus Transformer Book T100.
[...] The iwork 10 is also quite a bit thinner than the Transformer Book T100. In fact, at 6.9mm its actually thinner than the iPad Air.
let me take a stab. kaveri will come out have god awful cpu perf, good but ultimately unplayable gpu perform (relative to a discrete) all in a TDP uncompetitive with intel. amd will talk talk up HSA as the next coming of Christ and claim many many many design wins. and ultimately we may see kaveri in a few budget notebooks on the bargain / special sales section of best buy. sort of like what happened with trinity
Cinebench R10 and Geekbench show an increased performance of 17% over the Z3740 processor (three comparison devices). The older Z2760 is far behind at -55% and is placed right next to the AMD competitor A4-1200 with -58%.
Of course, the test model cannot live up to its claims entirely, but we cannot dispute one fact: the Omni 10 runs smoothly all the time or at least passably. The Omni can start up within 10 seconds and programs require a mere 2 - 3 seconds to start.
Now Bay Trail ushers in a new era: we ran Prime95 Multi while playing an H264 video and surfing the web. This fluid experience was not possible with Cloverfield.
Graphics Performance
[...] The performance is low: at the level of an HD 8180 (A4-1200).
The Satellite W30Dt-A-100 is not a suitable model for comparison as it is a 13.3-inch convertible with a rotating HDD in its heavy chassis. Still, it serves as a good example of how far behind APUs are (in performance-per-Watt) to the second Atom generation for tablets.
So, battery time is much lower than on the Surface 2.
I guess an one node advantage doesn't help so much...
The battery life of the Omni 10 (31 Wh; 4:55 hours WLAN test) will not earn it any trophies. The competitors can last 54% (Miix 2 8: 17.5 Wh) and 119% (Transformer Book T100TA: 30 Wh) longer.
(6) It gets 8 to 10 hrs of battery life (15 to 18+hrs with the keyboard dock). The deal breaker for me is 8hrs. A tablet must get 8hrs of normal usage or 8hrs of video streaming at 720p. This tablet gets about 8hrs in heavy continuous usage and more like 10 hrs in typical on and off usage. I have tested it.
51Cube iwork 10 is a Bay Trail convertible thats thinner than an iPad Air
http://liliputing.com/2014/01/51cub...ir.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Now this is could be awesome.
Fanless and discreet graphics.
http://techreport.com/news/25988/fanless-asus-pc-combines-bay-trail-discrete-geforce
Found this Lenovo H500s Bay Trail desktop while browsing Newegg yesterday:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...27&ignorebbr=1
(Celeron J1750, 4GB DDR3, 500GB HDD, Windows 8, $329.99 plus $2.99 shipping)
The chassis is identical to the Ivy Bridge powered H520s and the Haswell powered H530s. The major difference being the TFX PSU is replaced by an AC Power adapter and a block out plate is added to the rear panel. I also suspect (based on prior Bobcat variants of this chassis) the front intake fan is removed as well (due to the lower power of the Bay Trail processor).
Clicking on the gallery images in the Newegg link, the chassis is mostly filled with air and empty space (this partly due to the removal of the TFX PSU.) There are two SATA ports on the motherboard which is just enough to cover the use of the optical and 3.5" drives. (SIDE NOTE: The Lenovo H520s/H530s actually comes with an extra SATA port that goes unused. A rare find in a mass produced pre-built SFF desktop)
As far as the pricing of $329.99 plus $2.99 shipping goes, I suspect we will see that drop pretty significantly over time. I have seen variants of the H520s/H530s fetch anywhere from $250 to $300 (Pentium) and $300 to $350 (Core i3) when on sale.
with such a huge case, using this CPU and not Haswell Celeron is pretty poor cost reduction choice I think,
MSI Bay Trail-D (J18001) sub $60 due sometime this month:
http://www.fanlesstech.com/2014/01/60-bay-trail-d-motherboard-shipping.html
J1800 Bay Trail (2.41 Ghz dual core with 2.58 Ghz turbo)
2 x SO-DIMM
VGA, DVI, HDMI (The Biostar J1800NH and ECS BAT-I have just VGA and HDMI)
PCI-E x1 (a closed slot.... just like the Biostar J1800NH and ECS BAT-I Bay Trail Mini-ITX boards)
two SATA 3 Gbps ports
two usb 3.0
four usb 2.0
Gigabit Ethernet
A quad core for $10 more is supposed to come out shortly afterward.
AFAIK this brings the number of Bay Trail Mini-ITX consumer boards to four, Here are the other three:
Biostar J1800NH Mini-ITX--> http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=688#spec
ECS BAT-I (V1.0) Mini-ITX--> http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Pr...goryID=1&DetailName=Feature&MenuID=17&LanID=0
ECS BAT-TI thin Mini-ITX--> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ecs-v20-mini-lake-bat-i-v20,25679.html
P.S. The ECS website also lists a BAT-I2 (V1.0) which would bring the total of Bay Trail Consumer Mini-ITX to five, but so far no information listed--> http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Pr...yID=1&TypeID=46&MenuID=17&childid=M_7&LanID=0