The Islamic Agenda

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Unless of course you are Muege, the guy who disappeared and then dna all of a sudden appeared. I won't even go there.

Heh, was one of my first thoughts too

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Aimster

Unless of course you are Muege, the guy who disappeared and then dna all of a sudden appeared. I won't even go there.

Heh, was one of my first thoughts too

QFT.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
exactly you have nothing to say about my comment about how the U.S gave the means to use chemical weapons to a country.

I didn't say anything because are merely spewing emotional babel; but, if you want something real quick, then here you go: (from wikipedia)

In December 2002, Iraq's 1,200 page Weapons Declaration revealed a list of Eastern and Western corporations and countries, as well as individuals, that exported a total of 17,602 tons of chemical precursors to Iraq in the past two decades. By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and Federal Republic of Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.

And here's a nice picture for you to illustrate that matters aren't so simple as you want them to be.

It seems the bottom line is yet again the fact that the USA is responsible for every bad thing that happens in the Middle East -- Saddam was like a little child given some scissors to run around with, and therefore is absolved from any responsibility.

Therefore every single time u wish to bring up Iran as evil and as a terrorist to make your Israel look perfect, I will simply bring up the fact that the U.S has done 100000x more harm than Iran has ever done in it's history.

Israel? I wasn't even aware it was the subject of the discussion. You keep pulling that one-liner as if it is supposed to convey any meanigful information. It didn't work for you when you were lamenting over Hezbollah's bunkers in beirut, and won't work now.

And BTW, if you don't like this "evil country", why don't you leave?

so go on blabber on.. continue to "your signature has errors in it BS". If you think your level of education is higher than mine I laugh at you.

I never said that, but you have a habit of making an ass out of yourself. Furthermore, you tout your supposed regious diversity (daddy muslim, mommy jewish) as if it grants you some deeper understanding than anyone else, yet you keep on rambling on other threads on what "jihad" really means, and trying to argue in favor of textbook definitions, while everyone else knows what it means in these days and times.

Unless of course you are Muege, the guy who disappeared and then dna all of a sudden appeared. I won't even go there.

Heh... another one of your one liners.
I don't know who this cat is, but if you cannot tell apart two people by their stylistic differences, well, that's just sad.

EDIT: Just noticed your new signature. It would seem that I wield some sort of power over weak minded creatures, causing them to change their signature. Ayabe was the first, and you are the second. So sad, and so childish.

 

[Aimster]

I?m not even going to read what you posted

There is nothing to justify the U.S selling what they did to Iraq

If Iran sold anything even identical to what the U.S sold Iraq to Hezbollah the world would be going crazy, especially Bush. Not to mention you would be crying about how Iran must be stopped for giving Hezbollah chemical weapons

If you are justifying the U.S's actions then make a big announcement that Iran is allowed to sell the means or tools to Hezbollah to produce chemical weapons. & when Hezbollah uses it you cannot complain because you are obviously not complaining when it comes to the U.S.

 

[imported_dna]

You're a funny type -- if you say you won't answer, then don't answer and spare me your emotional babel.

I pointed out that the USA wasn't the only country that sold weapons to Iraq, yet in your mind it is the only one that should be held directly responsible.

As for Hezbollah and Iraq, are you making the argument that Iraq was as much of a puppet of the USA as Hezbollah is of Iran?
If not, then you're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Aimster]

ok so the U.S and the West are not innocent and have done more harm than Iran has ever done.

Happy??? I added other nations to the list.

Which means every nation on this planet has a horrible record and the worst record comes from the West.

I am saying the U.S supplied Iraq weapons to kill civilians. Iran supplies Hezbollah with weapons to fight and those weapons are used to kill civilians but Iran is not arming Hezbollah with chemical weapons. So which side is less "evil"?

The U.S had to arm Iraq with those weapons or Iraq would have lost the war bringing Iran-Iraq into a Shia state. Too bad the U.S cannot do the same today because the two nations are going to be having sex soon. Iran arms Hezbollah with arms so Israel wont win. Same concept, but...?

There is no justification for it. The WEST was wrong. So next time you make a thread that has to do with Iran's propaganda towards the U.S know the U.S gave Iraq means to kill hundreds of thousands of Iranians.
Next time you bring up Hezbollah why not bring up the U.S?

So the enemies of Israel are not so bad compared to the allies of Israel.

 

[imported_dna]

You keep on going on how evil the USA is, while it was Iraq's leadership the one that chose to use the weapons -- weapons and ingredients that were not necesserialy from the USA. You talk as if the USA was on a mission to equip Iraq with chemical weapons so they will be fired at Iranian civilians as soon as possible (as if they cannot be used against miliatry targets).

I don't know why you keep bringing up Hezbollah as if it is a valid example. You talk about them as if they are defending something -- "so Israel won't win"; won't win what? what has Hezbollah been defending since Israel pulled out?

Fact of the matter is that Hezbolla is a terror organization that survives only thanks to donations, unlike Iraq which had money from oil, so you cannot argue that it had to do the USA's bidding during the Iran-Iraq war.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: dna
I pointed out that the USA wasn't the only country that sold weapons to Iraq

That is irrelevant. It doesn't make the US any less responsible.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna
You keep on going on how evil the USA is, while it was Iraq's leadership the one that chose to use the weapons -- weapons and ingredients that were not necesserialy from the USA. You talk as if the USA was on a mission to equip Iraq with chemical weapons so they will be fired at Iranian civilians as soon as possible (as if they cannot be used against miliatry targets).

I don't know why you keep bringing up Hezbollah as if it is a valid example. You talk about them as if they are defending something -- "so Israel won't win"; won't win what? what has Hezbollah been defending since Israel pulled out?

Fact of the matter is that Hezbolla is a terror organization that survives only thanks to donations, unlike Iraq which had money from oil, so you cannot argue that it had to do the USA's bidding during the Iran-Iraq war.

You didnt answer my question

Is it OK for Iran to arm Hezbollah with the same tools, ingredients, etc that the West gave Iraq??

Simple yes or no.

 

[imported_dna]

A simple yes or no does not work here, buddy, because -- as I tried to explain it to you -- you cannot compare a country to a terror organization.

Originally posted by: blackllotus
That is irrelevant. It doesn't make the US any less responsible.

Less responsible for the actions of a sovreign nation?

If that's the case, might as well hold responsible the country that sold the forks that were used by Iraqi soldiers to eat lunch.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: dna
Less responsible for the actions of a sovreign nation?

We sold them weapons knowing damn well what they were going to do with. Thats the same as assisting someone with murder.

Originally posted by: dna
If that's the case, might as well hold responsible the country that sold the forks that were used by Iraqi soldiers to eat lunch.

Forks don't kill people

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
We sold them weapons knowing damn well what they were going to do with. Thats the same as assisting someone with murder.

Well, did you think that they were weapon collectors?
And, no, it's not the same as assisting someone to commit murder, unless you want to push some sort of a pacifist world view.

Forks don't kill people

Exactly! People kill people.

 

[Aimster]

yes Hezbollah's handful of rocket attacks

compared to

Saddam's million man invasion (which started the war because he hated Persians) is not comparable

obviously Hezbollah is so much more evil than Saddam's 1 million man army invading Iran.

:rolls eyes:

Sorry but in this case Saddam was 100000000x more horrible than Hezbollah will ever be. So..... Again answer my question

Exactly.

 

[imported_dna]

You're still comparing apples to oranges: Hezbollah -- without Iranian/Syrian funding -- does not exists as a force to be reckoned with. On the other hand, Iraq of the 1980's had petro-dollars, and the majority of its weapons were from the Soviet Union, so even without Western "support" they could still have waged war against Iran.

I'll let you return to patting yourself on the back for figuring out who Meuge -- whoever this character may be -- has transformed to.

 

[Aimster]

Iraq's oil market was crippled during the Iran-Iraq War.

They had 40B in debt.

Meuge you disappoint me

 

[tvarad]

Aimster:

"Is it OK for Iran to arm Hezbollah with the same tools, ingredients, etc that the West gave Iraq??"

I would say it is OK, provided you don't whine about innocent little Lebanese children caught in the cross-fire when the Israelis find out and decide to kick the s**t out of them. And also you don't rant and rave when the Israelis decide to do something about the original cause viz. Iran in their own inimitable style.

 

[imported_dna]

And you're disappointing me: whether or not their oil export was crippled during the war has no implication on the fact that your comparison isn't worth the bits you wasted on it; furthermore, your mention of their debt is a perfect example of how lame your comparison is, since Hezbollah would never be able to go into debt, since it has nothing to offer, unlike Iraq which had future Oil production as collateral.

So, do you still stand by your comparison after undermining it yourself?
You know your one-liners won't get you very far.

 

[Aimster]

What is Israel going to do to Iran?
What is Iran going to do to Israel?

Israel can destroy Iran via nuclear weapons
Iran can destroy Israel via chemical weapons

Stop acting like Israel is some great force.

& if Iran ever gave Hezbollah chemical weapons that would be the end of the M.E. Luckily for the world Iran doesn't give chemical weapons to groups committed to killing other people.

U.S gave chemical weapons to Iraq to kill Iranians. This is a fact. Like Meuge said above without thinking "Iraq had all the soviet weapons money could buy", if that was the case then why the hell supply them with means to mass murder people?

Exactly.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna
And you're disappointing me: whether or not their oil export was crippled during the war has no impliation on the fact that your comparison isn't worth the bits you wasted on it; furthermore, your mention of their debt is a perfect example of how lame your comparison is, since Hezbollah would never be able to go into debt, since it has nothing to offer, unlike Iraq which had future Oil production as collateral.

So, do you still stand by your comparison after undermining it yourself?
You know your one-liners won't get you very far.

U.S gave Iraq chemical weapons to kill civilians. This is a fact.

You lack the knowledge of the war. Milliosn of Iranians were marching into Iraq to die for their country. If Iraq fell to the Persians it would cause a massive shift in the M.E that could destabilze the entire region. Fall of dictatorships loyal to the U.S. Rise of Islamic states.

Stop trying to justify it. Look at you. Desperate. You are pathetic. Justifying the killing of innocent civilians.

Iraq's Saddam was a terrorist group. Invading a country with a million people burning cities and killing people is terror.

 

[imported_dna]

Beautiful! Back to the emotional babel, I see.

Your accusation is a grave one, implying that US-made chemical warheads landed in Iran -- in contrast to Iraq acquiring the materials and knowhow to produce such weapons. This comes as no surprise after you placed the responsibility for secterian strife on Bush, absolving yet again the Middle East natives from any responsibility for their action.

 

[tvarad]

Aimster,
Why don't you hear about Vietnamese terrorists or Cambodian terrorists or Chilean terrorists or Nicaraguan terrorists even though the U.S. has done as much or worse damage to those countries?

 

[Aimster]

yawn.

you bore me Meuge.

 

[imported_dna]

Here's a gem from the wikipedia article:

Iraq's main financial backers were the oil-rich Persian Gulf states, most notably Saudi Arabia ($30.9 billion), Kuwait ($8.2 billion) and the United Arab Emirates ($8 billion).

coupled with:

The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.

Perhaps your anger is misdirected Aimster?

 

[Aimster]

I dont care what other nations did Meuge, I am saying the U.S supplied chemical weapons to Iraq. You are bringing up other nations trying to justify the U.S's actions.

30.9B + 8.2b + 8B is in the 40B range. Those were loans not hand me outs.

Nothing has changed. You are still a religious fanatic.

 

[imported_dna]

You have no idea how amusing is your conviction that I am someone else; sad, but still amusing.

Nevertheless, I can see that you don't care what other nations did -- most noteably Iraq, the nation that manufactured and used the weapons in question.

Apparently Arabs in the Middle East can do no wrong.