The Jussie Smollett Affair

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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Damn that email looking for examples is pretty....uh....revealing. If Jussie was a poor black man that nobody heard of his outcome would certainly be more severe. The wealthy live by different rules, there’s no way around it.
Isn't nice a well to do black man once every 24 years can take advantage of the CJS the same system that disadvantages people of color almost daily. I see why you are going ape shit
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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Don't worry, the next black man that will take advantage of the CJS will be in 2044. That will give you time to cool off.

Homer, from all of the discussions we have had here, you think I am heated about this? You are the one that wants him to serve jail time. I want him to admit that he is guilty.

Why are you suggesting I need to cool off?
 
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Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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It appears that prosecutor Foxx has been disavowed / admonished by her peers.

http://www.ilpba.org/announcements/7249825

IPBA STATEMENT ON JUSSIE SMOLLETT CASE DISMISSAL
28 Mar 2019 2:49 PM | Anonymous


The Illinois Prosecutors Bar Association serves as the voice for nearly 1,000 front line prosecutors across the State who work tirelessly towards the pursuit of justice. The events of the past few days regarding the Cook County State’s Attorney’s handling of the Jussie Smollett case is not condoned by the IPBA, nor is it representative of the honest ethical work prosecutors provide to the citizens of the State of Illinois on a daily basis.

The manner in which this case was dismissed was abnormal and unfamiliar to those who practice law in criminal courthouses across the State. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges alike do not recognize the arrangement Mr. Smollett received. Even more problematic, the State’s Attorney and her representatives have fundamentally misled the public on the law and circumstances surrounding the dismissal.

The public has the right to know the truth, and we set out to do that here.

When an elected State’s Attorney recuses herself from a prosecution, Illinois law provides that the court shall appoint a special prosecutor. See 55 ILCS 5/3-9008(a-15). Typically, the special prosecutor is a neighboring State’s Attorney, the Attorney General, or the State Appellate Prosecutor. Here, the State’s Attorney kept the case within her office and thus never actually recused herself as a matter of law.

Additionally, the Cook County State’s Attorney’s office falsely informed the public that the uncontested sealing of the criminal court case was “mandatory” under Illinois law. This statement is not accurate. To the extent the case was even eligible for an immediate seal, that action was discretionary, not mandatory, and only upon the proper filing of a petition to seal. See 20 ILCS 2630/5.2(g)(2). For seals not subject to Section 5.2(g)(2), the process employed in this case by the State’s Attorney effectively denied law enforcement agencies of legally required Notice (See 20 ILCS 2630/5.2(d)(4)) and the legal opportunity to object to the sealing of the file (See 20 ILCS 2630/5.2(d)(5)). The State’s Attorney not only declined to fight the sealing of this case in court, but then provided false information to the public regarding it.

The appearance of impropriety here is compounded by the fact that this case was not on the regularly scheduled court call, the public had no reasonable notice or opportunity to view these proceedings, and the dismissal was done abruptly at what has been called an “emergency” hearing. To date, the nature of the purported emergency has not been publicly disclosed. The sealing of a court case immediately following a hearing where there was no reasonable notice or opportunity for the public to attend is a matter of grave public concern and undermines the very foundation of our public court system.

Lastly, the State’s Attorney has claimed this arrangement is “available to all defendants” and “not a new or unusual practice.” There has even been an implication it was done in accordance with a statutory diversion program. These statements are plainly misleading and inaccurate. This action was highly unusual, not a statutory diversion program, and not in accordance with well accepted practices of State’s Attorney initiated diversionary programs. The IPBA supports diversion programs, and recognizes the many benefits they provide to the community, the defendant and to the prosecuting agency. Central to any diversion program, however, is that the defendant must accept responsibility. To be clear here, this simply was not a deferred prosecution.

Prosecutors must be held to the highest standard of legal ethics in the pursuit of justice. The actions of the Cook County State’s Attorney have fallen woefully short of this expectation. Through the repeated misleading and deceptive statements to the public on Illinois law and circumstances surrounding the Smollett dismissal, the State’s Attorney has failed in her most fundamental ethical obligations to the public. The IPBA condemns these actions.

This irregular arrangement was an affront to prosecutors across the State, the Chicago Police Department, victims of hate crimes, and the people of the City of Chicago and Cook County. We strongly encourage our members and the public to review the National District Attorneys Associations statement on prosecutorial best practices in high profile cases.
Best Regards,

Lee Roupas
President,
Illinois Prosecutor’s Bar Association

http://www.ilpba.org/resources/Documents/IPBA letter_Smollett.pdf
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Homer, from all of the discussions we have had here, you think I am heated about this? You are the one that wants him to serve jail time. I want him to admit that he is guilty.

Why are you suggesting I need to cool off?
Because of all the public figures who need to admit wrongdoing Jussie is #52,145. I would say you could find one in the top 5 absent being exercised over this.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Well, he should win. He's shown that black people can get to the point where enough money, celeb status, and friends in the right places gets you into that class where you get that special brand of justice that the peasant class doesn't get.

This is progress, baby.

Which part of that bothers you really? That someone can get to that point of priviledge, or that a black man can too?
 

realibrad

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Because of all the public figures who need to admit wrongdoing Jussie is #52,145. I would say you could find one in the top 5 absent being exercised over this.

We are in a thread about him, talking about him. Why wild we bring up all people that have done things?

Again, you want him to serve jail time. Why would I need to cool off when what you want is way worse? What makes my position about this more severe than yours?

I'm not attacking you. I'm not insulting you. So why are you being hyperbolic suddenly?
 

FerrelGeek

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Which part of that bothers you really? That someone can get to that point of privilege, or that a black man can too?

I can't believe that I actually had to ask that. Given my other quote that you responded to. Why don't you just go ahead and ask me when I stopped beating my wife, kicking cold wet puppies, or fondling little kids?

I was brought up to not be a respecter of a person's position. Since you can't grasp that simple concept, I'll dumb it down for you. I was taught to show someone who was in (what most would regard as a 'low' position with the same level of respect and dignity as someone who was in (what most would regard as a 'high' position).. Here, I'll make it even simpler for your narrow liberal mind to understand. I was taught to show the same level of respect to the person that cleans our bathrooms at work as I do my executive VP. Is that simple enough for you to grasp? Yeah, it's still probably too complicated for you. Fine. His ethnicity did not factor even one iota into me comments.

Stop being a boring liberal cliche. I seriously doubt that you're capable of doing that, but hope springs eternal.
 

interchange

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I think other explanations may be possible other than corruption or politics to shed light on the lack of prosecution for Smollett. One thing I keep coming back to is the possibility of a manic episode. But to be clear I have no grounds to make a diagnosis, and it would be unethical to do so even if I had the evidence. I am merely speculating, but it is a rational possibility that would, at least, put the DA's office in a very difficult place on how to handle things from here.
 

realibrad

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I think other explanations may be possible other than corruption or politics to shed light on the lack of prosecution for Smollett. One thing I keep coming back to is the possibility of a manic episode. But to be clear I have no grounds to make a diagnosis, and it would be unethical to do so even if I had the evidence. I am merely speculating, but it is a rational possibility that would, at least, put the DA's office in a very difficult place on how to handle things from here.


If that had been the case, then why would he still try and stay in the spotlight? I would imagine he would have the ability to look back and see that things do not add up. We have the leaks that show that he was planning this for a while. This seems to have been planed out, and then dragged out. This does not seem like an accident.
 

thraashman

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I wonder how many people pitching a fit about this were cheering when Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio. You know, a man who violated civil right of Americans because were of hispanic ethnicity and who literally caused deaths due to negligent conditions in concentration camps he ran.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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I wonder how many people pitching a fit about this were cheering when Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio. You know, a man who violated civil right of Americans because were of hispanic ethnicity and who literally caused deaths due to negligent conditions in concentration camps he ran.
"What about..."

"What about..."

"What about..."

Yes. Arpaio is a piece of shit asshole. There are more assholes than I can ever list. Not just in history, but still alive today and waiting for their turn to be shamed.

People think less of you when you try to argue this way. It's juvenile.
 
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realibrad

Lifer
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I wonder how many people pitching a fit about this were cheering when Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio. You know, a man who violated civil right of Americans because were of hispanic ethnicity and who literally caused deaths due to negligent conditions in concentration camps he ran.

I'm not sure what that means here though.
 
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