The Jussie Smollett Affair

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I would imagine that if the pressure keeps up, then they will have to explain the reasoning behind the decision drop charges. I was not on board with burying the guy underneath the jail that some said we should do if this was faked, but, more than $10,000 lost and some community service I think is warranted. I think if he had admitted guilt as well as those things, that it would meet my personal bar. But, letting him skate on that and only doing the little that was done does not seem like its enough for me and many others.

What I hope is that the backlash against this is not overdone.

This is just like retarded feminists with the me-too movement just as much black lives matter. If you want to be seen as reputable - then at MINIMAL you need to hold people accountable for lying. At minimal you need to be behind bars for 6+ months IMO.

If you don't understand that what you are doing is reprehensible and a complete spit in the face of real victims - then it will continue to be done. No consequences = no remorse.
 

Maxima1

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So when the executive administration undermines the credibility of our institutions its bad. When someone does it to stick it back to them, its lulz. Cause if he is going to cause damage, then you might as well as burn it all down.

Not my opinion. I think this guy should get time, especially with his clout because it shits on all the victims of real crimes and raises tension in the public. However, the gravity of the situation with the executive and dysfunctional government is much more severe than this. Sometimes I laugh at the circus this admin is, too, btw.
 

96Firebird

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Well, from that tweet above, it looks like the decision to drop was made in order to troll conservatives. LOL

NEW from Chicago: Joe Magats, the first assistant state's attorney who made the final decision to drop the charges against Jussie Smollett, says in an interview: "We didn't exonerate him."

I hope this isn't the reason for dropping the charges. If it is, that is really fucking stupid.
 

dyna

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This is just like retarded feminists with the me-too movement just as much black lives matter. If you want to be seen as reputable - then at MINIMAL you need to hold people accountable for lying. At minimal you need to be behind bars for 6+ months IMO.

If you don't understand that what you are doing is reprehensible and a complete spit in the face of real victims - then it will continue to be done. No consequences = no remorse.

His crime was likely viewed as a victimless crime, so therefore no punishment. It won't change the fact that he is still a racist and moron.
 

realibrad

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Not my opinion. I think this guy should get time, especially with his clout because it shits on all the victims of real crimes and raises tension in the public. However, the gravity of the situation with the executive and dysfunctional government is much more severe than this. Sometimes I laugh at the circus this admin is, too, btw.

I don't think is clout should matter. What he did was more than what normal person could have probably done. What matters to me is the damage caused.

Are you laughing in a macabre way, or because it was directed at Trump? If its the former, then I can understand. Reality is just a weird place right now.
 

Lanyap

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Police department should be pissed as well.



Yeah, they spent a lot of time and effort on it.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/02/21/the-cost-dedicated-to-the-smollett-investigation/
However, police sources tell CBS 2 the resources expended were significant. Twenty-four detectives were removed from regular cases, expending up to 1,000 hours, overtime not included. Police outlined the extraordinary detail of their investigation.

“We interviewed over 100 individuals in a canvass of the area and a followup canvass as our investigation expanded,” said Commander Edward Wodnicki from the Area Central Detective Unit.

In addition, police spent dozens of hours of examining surveillance video from 55 city pod cams and private cameras. And working with federal authorities, they executed 50 search warrants and subpoenas for phone, social media and financial records.

The Fraternal Order of Police is hoping Smollett is ordered to pay back the cost.

“If he is convicted, that the city of Chicago provides him with a bill for all the services that have been rendered from that police department,” said FOP president Kevin Graham.
 

woolfe9998

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I would imagine that if the pressure keeps up, then they will have to explain the reasoning behind the decision drop charges. I was not on board with burying the guy underneath the jail that some said we should do if this was faked, but, more than $10,000 lost and some community service I think is warranted. I think if he had admitted guilt as well as those things, that it would meet my personal bar. But, letting him skate on that and only doing the little that was done does not seem like its enough for me and many others.

What I hope is that the backlash against this is not overdone.

I agree, especially with the part about him admitting what he did. Publicly. I'd be much more OK with leniency if he did that. But he will never do it. He's just that narcissistic. I bet he would risk years of jail time just to never have to admit it.
 
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woolfe9998

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I wonder if the Feds will even look into the mail threat.

Have they definitvely proven that Smollett faked the mail threat? I mean, in light of what he subsequently did it seems obvious that he probably did, but I've not heard any definitive proof yet.
 

Ichinisan

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Seems if you pay a fine/donate $10k, you are off the hook. The FBI may not be as nice with the US Mail stuff.
Yeah. Any normal person would be completely screwed, but this guy gets to go on and never publicly admit guilt nor face charges or any real penalty. Pretty sweet deal for him. Sickening.

It's up to the FBI now. It would be really sad if this becomes a public demonstration that this stuff is basically A-OK.
 

Ichinisan

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I would imagine that if the pressure keeps up, then they will have to explain the reasoning behind the decision drop charges. I was not on board with burying the guy underneath the jail that some said we should do if this was faked, but, more than $10,000 lost and some community service I think is warranted. I think if he had admitted guilt as well as those things, that it would meet my personal bar. But, letting him skate on that and only doing the little that was done does not seem like its enough for me and many others.

What I hope is that the backlash against this is not overdone.

Even if he had admitted guilt, I don't think that punishment would be enough to deter others from doing the same. He probably made at least $10,000.00 from the media appearances and concert performances he did while all this was going on. He'll make more money in the future from book / TV / movie deals. Crime pays.
 

Maxima1

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I don't think is clout should matter. What he did was more than what normal person could have probably done. What matters to me is the damage caused.

Are you laughing in a macabre way, or because it was directed at Trump? If its the former, then I can understand. Reality is just a weird place right now.

By mentioning clout, I meant it was definitely going national. So he stirs up tension and/or gets more people to think many people lie about being victims. I don't like the fact either that he's using a false report of being a victim as a platform to garner unwarranted sympathy/opportunities.

Macabre? No.


Could have flipped Jeb! to (D), and I would have still laughed, but at the same time, i knew how fucked up the Republican primary debates were, which wasn't just Trump.

 

Lanyap

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WTF this guy should be in jail.



He should have gone through due process and if found guilty paid some form of reasonable restitution, done community service and been on probation for some relatively short period of time (e.g. 2 years). IMO he should not have had to do "hard time".
 
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Jon-T

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Looks to me like the DA got pissed off about the whole Trump Russia thing so he got vengeance by pissing off some other people. The MAGA hat crowd was happy when they were cleared and Smollett was arrested. The MAGA hat crowd was again happy at the apparent clearing of their leader. Cant let the other side be too happy, time to share the pain. Smollett goes free! Smash every ones hopes of seeing him in jail.
 

woolfe9998

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The worst part of them dropping these charges is that Fox just issued a "statement of support" for him, meaning he won't get fired from that TV show. In other words, he will face no consequences at all.
 

woolfe9998

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I strongly suspect corruption here in Kim Foxx's office. The reason given by her second in command for not prosecuting was that they wanted to prioritize their resources for violent crimes? Let's get this straight. Smollett was charged with multiple felonies. Presumably, their office, like every other DA's office in the country, also prosecutes misdemeanors. If one wants to conserve resources, why would one not drop prosecuting misdemeanors before even thinking about dropping the lower level felonies like this? This reason is very thin. Smollett had some expensive lawyers, but they would have gotten a huge fine out of him to offset the cost of prosecution.

And they had to know it would piss off the police department, after all the work they put in to solving the case. And they pissed off the mayor's office. In a very unusual move, the mayor and the police chief both went on TV and ripped into the DA's office. A DA's office at odds with both the mayor's office and the police department has serious problems.

They have endured all this damage, for what, to save the resources of prosecuting one case on what appears to be solid evidence?

Bullshit. What's the real reason?
 

woolfe9998

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I just realized that Kim Foxx replaced Anita Alvarez as State's Attorney, the same Alvarez who almost certainly lost her re-election bid to Foxx by over 30 points because of her blatantly corrupt mishandling of the LaQuan McDonald case. If Foxx turns out to be corrupt here, that's two in a row. Damn.
 

woolfe9998

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The person who decided made an obvious reference to it. I'm not saying that's definitely the case, but i can easily see someone getting pissed off.

That's too inferential. We have solid evidence that Foxx was contacted by two outside VIP's, one of whom happened to be Michelle Obama's chief of staff, or formerly IIRC. VIP's speaking up for Smollett. One of them asked her to pressure the police to agree to transfer the case to the FBI, purportedly because the CPD was leaking bad things about Smollett to the press. There are texts which prove this. We also know that for undisclosed reasons, she "recused" herself, but not her office, from the case. These connections are far more likely than a political motive. Most corruption is a function of self-interest.
 

Maxima1

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That's too inferential. We have solid evidence that Foxx was contacted by two outside VIP's, one of whom happened to be Michelle Obama's chief of staff, or formerly IIRC. One of them asked her to pressure the police to agree to transfer the case to the FBI, purportedly because the CPD was leaking bad things about Smollett to the press. We also know that for undisclosed reasons, she "recused" herself, but not her office, from the case. These connections are far more likely than a political motive. Most corruption is out of self-interest.

Forgot about that! You're likely right.
 
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