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Originally posted by: JDub02
Originally posted by: Rustynuts
They already have one, it's called the Back-Door draft! That's why so many reservists are getting their ass shot off for a year instead of serving a weekend a month.

Umm, that's why they're in the reserves .. so they can be called up when needed. It's not a draft, it's what they volunteered for.

look, they probably wouldn't have been needed at all if bush didn't try to lowball the american public and try to go to war on the cheap, leading the chaos after. you remember his jive when he was trying to sell us on the war right? oh it'll be so cheap, we'll fund it and the reconstruction with the free flowin iraqi oil after we're in. and we don't need no stinkin mass of soldiers, just a few, the iraqi's will greet us with hugs and kisses! now we are pulling reserves left and right and stressing them to the brink to make up for his blunder. the reserve is really for protecting america when we really are in deep sh*t. dipping into it to cover for carelessness is just a great way to destroy moral and the trust of the soldiers. we are totally mired down, responding to any other situations that should arise is now impossible. so north korea and iran just thumb their noses at us and build their nukes

i do remember bush declaring the war over on an aircraft carrier

then he screamed "bring it on"(attacks on our soldiers) to the militants. rather brave of him being that he dodged combat when it was his time(like cheney). really nice for your commander to egg on the enemy to kill you.

and now we send our last resort"emergency" units into danger. people who are fathers and mothers, people with families to support. bush is seriously abusing our reserve units.



And the Pentagon is handing out so-called "stop-loss" orders -- literally stopping the loss of troops by preventing volunteer soldiers from leaving the service, even after they've fulfilled their obligations.




"We are essentially imposing a mini-draft, or a draft by any other name, on people in the military who had no reason to think they would have to stay in many cases and are being told they must stay," O'Hanlon explains.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...unday/main620263.shtml



One of the MLTF's current activities is a lawsuit on behalf of a guardsman challenging the legality of the current stop-loss mobilization. Among its arguments, the MLTF plans to show that stop-loss is only allowable in national emergency, and the current Iraq situation has more to do with poor planning by the Bush administration than any real threat to national security. "Since the coup in Iraq, since the United States put in its own government there, to suggest that we're there to protect ourselves is now nonsense," Hiken said. (Details of the suit may be found at www.sorgen.net.) A very interesting thing about that suit, Marti Hiken said, "was the support of a large number of people inside the military, and we're talking brass, officers, not just the GIs themselves. The military is divided in terms of what's going on right now."

"The reserves are people who go in expecting to be in for a short period of time, being called up for floods or fires or earthquakes or serious and significant emergencies, or war if we were being attacked," said Luke Hiken. "But to say to these people, 'We've gotcha, and now you're in indefinitely, and you signed up voluntarily,' they know that's outrageous."

http://www.austinchronicle.com...10-08/pols_naked9.html


A decorated Army captain asked a judge yesterday to bar the military from sweeping him up in a "back-door draft" and shipping him off to Iraq on Monday.

Jay Ferriola, a 31-year-old Manhattan resident, handed in his resignation in June after eight years of active and reserve duty, according to the suit filed in Manhattan Federal Court.

But even though his commanding officer recommended that he be granted a discharge, the military never sent out the paperwork, the suit says, and on Tuesday, Ferriola got orders dated Oct. 8 sending him to war.

Ferriola's suit says the order in unconsitutional and amounts to "involuntary servitude." "I complied with my obligation," he said. "I never intended to make a career of the Army. I want to pursue other careers in civilian life."

Attorney Barry Slotnick said Ferriola, a registered Republican, is not motivated by fear or opposition to the war but wants the Army to uphold the contract it signed with him in 1993. "He has served his country heroically and patriotically," Slotnick said.

Judge Robert Sweet granted him an emergency hearing tomorrow.

The U.S. attorney's office declined to comment on Ferriola's lawsuit but will represent the government at the hearing.

A 1995 graduate of the officer training program at the Virginia Military Institute, Ferriola served as an officer in South Korea's demilitarized zone and in Germany. He won three commendations for meritorious service.

In February 2003, he was called to active duty in Iraq but never deployed. He spent five months with his military police unit at Fort Dix, N.J., and then was released to the reserves. He resigned a year later on June 17, 2004.

On Tuesday he received orders telling him to report for active duty with the 306th Military Police Battalion in Uniondale, L.I., for 18 months of service in Iraq. It's unclear why Ferriola was never formally discharged.

The Army has issued "stop loss" orders that prevent soldiers from leaving the military when their service is up, but Ferriola's suit says neither he nor his unit received such orders.

"At no time prior to his resignation or during the pendency of his resignation was Mr. Ferriola ever informed that he or his unit were on alert or placed under stop-loss," the suit says. "He was asked to turn in his issue equipment and was told that he was no longer required to report for monthly drills."

Ferriola was greeted by a phalanx of reporters outside the Manhattan Federal Courthouse yesterday, but the athletically built soldier charged passed television camera operators and did not comment as he returned to a waiting car.
http://www.rense.com/general58/back.htm
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...y/245275p-210124c.html



But that all changed when the Defense Department issued a "stop loss" order forcing some members of the country's volunteer armed forces to remain in service beyond their contractually agreed-upon term.

The ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan are severely stretching the armed forces, a situation that some experts suggest may grow far worse within the next two years.

"In a year and a half or two years, there are going to be huge [personnel] shortages," said Andrew Exum, a retired Army captain who served in Afghanistan. "You can't keep these guys in for good."

Exum and others are worried that the stop-loss orders could dissuade current service members from re-enlisting and reduce new enlistments.

"The biggest effect will be on those who might have re-enlisted," Exum said. "The senior non-coms and majors and colonels are not going anywhere, but they are not the ones fighting this war," he said of the enlisted volunteers who make up the bulk of the fighting force.

The Pentagon issued its latest stop-loss order in June, forcing thousands of men and women to stay in the military and requiring many to return to combat duty well beyond their agreed-upon period of active service. The effect of the order has been that thousands of members of the all-volunteer armed forces no longer are serving voluntarily.


"The stop-loss is having a tremendous impact on morale," said Charles Moskos, a sociology professor at Northwestern University who specializes in the military [and recently met with U.S. soldiers in Baghdad].


The latest stop-loss order was bolstered by a separate decision to recall 5,600 members of the 111,000-strong Individual Ready Reserve, soldiers who, like Exum, have completed their specified period of active duty but remain on reserve status until their contractual commitment is completed.


Exum says that if he had been ordered back to service, he would have served. But he still feels that the stop-loss orders, while probably legal, are fundamentally unfair and are done as a less objectionable way to maintain force numbers than returning to a draft.

http://www.military.com/NewsCo...FL_loss_092704,00.html


and a bit more here http://talkleft.com/new_archives/007658.html
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: K1052
Also, why do people think that the President can just push a large button marked "Draft" and it magically happens without any other approval?

Authorization for a draft must pass the usual hurdles in the Legislative branch before coming anywhere near the president's desk.

Most of the people bitching are also the ones that don't understand how the electoral college works. I think they slept through some of their classes.

The major networks should run a "How a bill becomes a law." animation before every news broadcast.
:music: I'm just a bill, Yes, I'm only a bill, And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill. :music:
 

NL5

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: NL5
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: NL5
If Bush is re-elected, and doesn't have to worry about re-election again, do you really think the "war on terror" will stop with Iraq?

Let's surely hope it doesnt. I pray that it doesnt stop there.

So, when we invade (and then have to occupy) other countries, where are the troops gonna come from exactly?

The armed forces silly. We have more kids joining up now than ever. They want to give back and do something for their country and make something of themselves instead of sitting on their butt.

So, even tho we don't have enough troops now, and we are holding most reserves past there "time limit", we can invade more countries with a few more "kids" joining?!?!?!?!?! Wow.

 

Amused

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The left knows that the huge protests and violence in this country during Vietnam were not caused by anti-war sentiment, but by college age students who did not want to be drafted. The protests promptly ended for the most part when the draft ended in 1973.

The left seeks to capitalize on this by creating fear of a draft. That was Rangle's REAL reason for submitting his bill, but never bringing it up for a vote.

The "backdoor draft" going on now is nothing of the sort. When you sign up for active or reserve duty, the US owns your ass for 8 years... no matter how long you agree to for active duty. They have every right to call you up within those 8 years for service. This is explained to you when you sign up. The US is doing this to keep EXPERIENCED people on duty. It has no problems recruiting new people and the only limits now are the size of the armed forces set by congress. If they need more troops, they will simply ask Congress to budget for more, and increase the number of recruits.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: NL5


So, even tho we don't have enough troops now, and we are holding most reserves past there "time limit", we can invade more countries with a few more "kids" joining?!?!?!?!?! Wow.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

As I said in my post above:

The "backdoor draft" going on now is nothing of the sort. When you sign up for active or reserve duty, the US owns your ass for 8 years... no matter how long you agree to for active duty. They have every right to call you up within those 8 years for service. This is explained to you when you sign up. The US is doing this to keep EXPERIENCED people on duty. It has no problems recruiting new people and the only limits now are the size of the armed forces set by congress. If they need more troops, they will simply ask Congress to budget for more, and increase the number of recruits.
 

jemcam

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look, they probably wouldn't have been needed at all if bush didn't try to lowball the american public and try to go to war on the cheap, leading the chaos after. now we are pulling reserves left and right and stressing them to the brink. the reserve is really for protecting america when we really are in deep sh*t. dipping into it to cover for carelessness is just a great way to destroy moral and the trust of the soldiers. we are totally mired down, responding to any other situations that should arise is now impossible. so north korea and iran just thumb their noses at us and build their nukes

Then you need to blame Clinton for drawing down the active duty troops in the early 90's to rely more on reservists and guardsmen. At the beginning of 1990, the total force (reserves and active duty) was roughly 70% active duty and 30% reserves. By 1994, after base closings and cutbacks, it was closer to 50/50. The trend continued until majority of our forces were reservists as they are today.
 

JDub02

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cliff notes ... btw, I have a few friends in the military. One who's time is up in April. They asked him to stay, but are not forcing him. He's getting out. So much for your theory of "no one leaves".

And contrary to your belief, morale in the military is high. They believe in the cause and are willing to do what it takes. I am friends with soldiers who have spent time in Afghanistan and Iraq. Overall we are welcomed there as liberators. The troops feel good about what they're doing.

If that wasn't the case, why would our service men and women overwhelmingly support President Bush in this election? You'd think they'd be lining up to vote for Kerry if they were abused that much.
 

Originally posted by: Afrotech
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Afrotech
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Afrotech
draft wont come back... if our military ever really needed the troops, i believe we would see whatever prez ask for volunteers. and i truely believe many would volunteer.
Gee that's funny, because our entire army is volunteer.

i ment if our troop lvl was every drastically too low, i believe with a little stump speach, the prez could get more volunteers.
I highly doubt it.

Reality is, most war "supporters" would never put their own life on the line for it.

disagree, i come from a military family and have many ex-military friends... if the call goes out. i KNOW that they would re-enlist... they have told me that they would and i believe their word over yours.
Thoes people you talk about were already volunteers for the service at one time. They were "military family and friends" as you put it. So yes, they would probably we enlist with very little effort.
Since they were volunteers already I would count them out.

As for the rest of the population, they wouldn't put their lives on the line.
 

NL5

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: NL5


So, even tho we don't have enough troops now, and we are holding most reserves past there "time limit", we can invade more countries with a few more "kids" joining?!?!?!?!?! Wow.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

As I siad in my post above:

The "backdoor draft" going on now is nothing of the sort. When you sign up for active or reserve duty, the US owns your ass for 8 years... no matter how long you agree to for active duty. They have every right to call you up within those 8 years for service. This is explained to you when you sign up. The US is doing this to keep EXPERIENCED people on duty. It has no problems recruiting new people and the only limits now are the size of the armed forces set by congress. If they need more troops, they will simply ask congrss to budget for more, and increase the number of recruits.


I was not calling it a backdoor draft. I am stating a FACT. I never said it was wrong or hadn't happened before. I know they can be held over. I am simply stating that we don't currently have enough troops to invade another country, let alone a country like North Korea. If you remember, Iraq's military was in shambles from the previous war when we invaded them. No Air force, no Navy, and barely an Army. North Korea is a whole different ballgame.

 

jemcam

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: JDub02
Originally posted by: Rustynuts
They already have one, it's called the Back-Door draft! That's why so many reservists are getting their ass shot off for a year instead of serving a weekend a month.

Umm, that's why they're in the reserves .. so they can be called up when needed. It's not a draft, it's what they volunteered for.

look, they probably wouldn't have been needed at all if bush didn't try to lowball the american public and try to go to war on the cheap, leading the chaos after. you remember his jive when he was trying to sell us on the war right? oh it'll be so cheap, we'll fund it and the reconstruction with the free flowin iraqi oil after we're in. and we don't need no stinkin mass of soldiers, just a few, the iraqi's will greet us with hugs and kisses! now we are pulling reserves left and right and stressing them to the brink to make up for his blunder. the reserve is really for protecting america when we really are in deep sh*t. dipping into it to cover for carelessness is just a great way to destroy moral and the trust of the soldiers. we are totally mired down, responding to any other situations that should arise is now impossible. so north korea and iran just thumb their noses at us and build their nukes

i do remember bush declaring the war over on an aircraft carrier

then he screamed "bring it on"(attacks on our soldiers) to the militants. rather brave of him being that he dodged combat when it was his time(like cheney). really nice for your commander to egg on the enemy to kill you.

and now we send our last resort"emergency" units into danger. people who are fathers and mothers, people with families to support. bush is seriously abusing our reserve units.



And the Pentagon is handing out so-called "stop-loss" orders -- literally stopping the loss of troops by preventing volunteer soldiers from leaving the service, even after they've fulfilled their obligations.




"We are essentially imposing a mini-draft, or a draft by any other name, on people in the military who had no reason to think they would have to stay in many cases and are being told they must stay," O'Hanlon explains.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/28/sunday/main620263.shtml



One of the MLTF's current activities is a lawsuit on behalf of a guardsman challenging the legality of the current stop-loss mobilization. Among its arguments, the MLTF plans to show that stop-loss is only allowable in national emergency, and the current Iraq situation has more to do with poor planning by the Bush administration than any real threat to national security. "Since the coup in Iraq, since the United States put in its own government there, to suggest that we're there to protect ourselves is now nonsense," Hiken said. (Details of the suit may be found at www.sorgen.net.) A very interesting thing about that suit, Marti Hiken said, "was the support of a large number of people inside the military, and we're talking brass, officers, not just the GIs themselves. The military is divided in terms of what's going on right now."

"The reserves are people who go in expecting to be in for a short period of time, being called up for floods or fires or earthquakes or serious and significant emergencies, or war if we were being attacked," said Luke Hiken. "But to say to these people, 'We've gotcha, and now you're in indefinitely, and you signed up voluntarily,' they know that's outrageous."
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2004-10-08/pols_naked9.html


A decorated Army captain asked a judge yesterday to bar the military from sweeping him up in a "back-door draft" and shipping him off to Iraq on Monday.

Jay Ferriola, a 31-year-old Manhattan resident, handed in his resignation in June after eight years of active and reserve duty, according to the suit filed in Manhattan Federal Court.

But even though his commanding officer recommended that he be granted a discharge, the military never sent out the paperwork, the suit says, and on Tuesday, Ferriola got orders dated Oct. 8 sending him to war.

Ferriola's suit says the order in unconsitutional and amounts to "involuntary servitude." "I complied with my obligation," he said. "I never intended to make a career of the Army. I want to pursue other careers in civilian life."

Attorney Barry Slotnick said Ferriola, a registered Republican, is not motivated by fear or opposition to the war but wants the Army to uphold the contract it signed with him in 1993. "He has served his country heroically and patriotically," Slotnick said.

Judge Robert Sweet granted him an emergency hearing tomorrow.

The U.S. attorney's office declined to comment on Ferriola's lawsuit but will represent the government at the hearing.

A 1995 graduate of the officer training program at the Virginia Military Institute, Ferriola served as an officer in South Korea's demilitarized zone and in Germany. He won three commendations for meritorious service.

In February 2003, he was called to active duty in Iraq but never deployed. He spent five months with his military police unit at Fort Dix, N.J., and then was released to the reserves. He resigned a year later on June 17, 2004.

On Tuesday he received orders telling him to report for active duty with the 306th Military Police Battalion in Uniondale, L.I., for 18 months of service in Iraq. It's unclear why Ferriola was never formally discharged.

The Army has issued "stop loss" orders that prevent soldiers from leaving the military when their service is up, but Ferriola's suit says neither he nor his unit received such orders.

"At no time prior to his resignation or during the pendency of his resignation was Mr. Ferriola ever informed that he or his unit were on alert or placed under stop-loss," the suit says. "He was asked to turn in his issue equipment and was told that he was no longer required to report for monthly drills."

Ferriola was greeted by a phalanx of reporters outside the Manhattan Federal Courthouse yesterday, but the athletically built soldier charged passed television camera operators and did not comment as he returned to a waiting car.
http://www.rense.com/general58/back.htm
http://www.nydailynews.com/new...y/245275p-210124c.html



But that all changed when the Defense Department issued a "stop loss" order forcing some members of the country's volunteer armed forces to remain in service beyond their contractually agreed-upon term.

The ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan are severely stretching the armed forces, a situation that some experts suggest may grow far worse within the next two years.

"In a year and a half or two years, there are going to be huge [personnel] shortages," said Andrew Exum, a retired Army captain who served in Afghanistan. "You can't keep these guys in for good."

Exum and others are worried that the stop-loss orders could dissuade current service members from re-enlisting and reduce new enlistments.

"The biggest effect will be on those who might have re-enlisted," Exum said. "The senior non-coms and majors and colonels are not going anywhere, but they are not the ones fighting this war," he said of the enlisted volunteers who make up the bulk of the fighting force.

The Pentagon issued its latest stop-loss order in June, forcing thousands of men and women to stay in the military and requiring many to return to combat duty well beyond their agreed-upon period of active service. The effect of the order has been that thousands of members of the all-volunteer armed forces no longer are serving voluntarily.


"The stop-loss is having a tremendous impact on morale," said Charles Moskos, a sociology professor at Northwestern University who specializes in the military [and recently met with U.S. soldiers in Baghdad].


The latest stop-loss order was bolstered by a separate decision to recall 5,600 members of the 111,000-strong Individual Ready Reserve, soldiers who, like Exum, have completed their specified period of active duty but remain on reserve status until their contractual commitment is completed.


Exum says that if he had been ordered back to service, he would have served. But he still feels that the stop-loss orders, while probably legal, are fundamentally unfair and are done as a less objectionable way to maintain force numbers than returning to a draft.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_loss_092704,00.html


and a bit more here http://talkleft.com/new_archives/007658.html


Read the entire post, especially the one where I talked about involuntary extension of ETS's. Get the facts before you parrot what the left wing tells you. I tell you the facts from what I've experienced as a former Army officer, your facts are incorrect and "stop loss" policies have been in effect especially in the reserves and guard for decades. I personally know of many cases that I was directly involved with 15 years ago during minor deployments.
 

0roo0roo

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really? look at the last link, it says military.com the talkleft.com is a separate link i didn't quote from.
 

Amused

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Again, actually read an enlistment contract, They own you for 8 years, no matter how long you signed up for... and they can recall you whenever they want within those 8 years.

They are NOT recalling people who are done with their contractual obligations... because EVERYONE is owned for 8 years from the last time they enlisted.
 

jemcam

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A decorated Army captain asked a judge yesterday to bar the military from sweeping him up in a "back-door draft" and shipping him off to Iraq on Monday.

Sorry, I can't resist laughing at this. Officers do not have an ETS like enlisted soldiers do. Ask any officer if you can look at their ID card and you'll see their ID's expiration is stated "Indefinite". Enlisted soldier's ID cards will have their ETS date as the expiration date. When they re-enlist, they are issued a new ID card with their new ETS date on it.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Afrotech
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Afrotech
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Afrotech
draft wont come back... if our military ever really needed the troops, i believe we would see whatever prez ask for volunteers. and i truely believe many would volunteer.
Gee that's funny, because our entire army is volunteer.

i ment if our troop lvl was every drastically too low, i believe with a little stump speach, the prez could get more volunteers.
I highly doubt it.

Reality is, most war "supporters" would never put their own life on the line for it.

disagree, i come from a military family and have many ex-military friends... if the call goes out. i KNOW that they would re-enlist... they have told me that they would and i believe their word over yours.
Thoes people you talk about were already volunteers for the service at one time. They were "military family and friends" as you put it. So yes, they would probably we enlist with very little effort.
Since they were volunteers already I would count them out.

As for the rest of the population, they wouldn't put their lives on the line.

I'm 18 years old and the majority of the kids I know who consider themselves Republicans/Moderates Leaning Right would go if drafted (ie not draft dodgers like most of my other friends would do who are not in the above group).

After all the opportunities and privileges I've been granted in the USA, if the country feels like they need me to go and fight, that's the least I can do.

Do I want to be put in a situation where there's a very real chance I could die?
Of course not.

Will I go if needed?
You bet your ass I will.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Look the days where you could hand someone a rifle and some grenades and send them out are over. There won't be a draft unless there is a total war (all production shifted towards fighting a war) aka a fight for survival.
 

jemcam

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
really? look at the last link, it says military.com the talkleft.com is a separate link i didn't quote from.

You're still missing the point that it's been a policy for decades and we can thank Bill Clinton for the draw down of active duty troops during the early 90's.:disgust:
 

Cogman

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Could a draft be reinstated, Of course it could. Will it? Most likely not. I doubt there would be any reason for it. Hey doesnt this belong in P & N?
 

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Afrotech
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Afrotech
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Afrotech
draft wont come back... if our military ever really needed the troops, i believe we would see whatever prez ask for volunteers. and i truely believe many would volunteer.
Gee that's funny, because our entire army is volunteer.

i ment if our troop lvl was every drastically too low, i believe with a little stump speach, the prez could get more volunteers.
I highly doubt it.

Reality is, most war "supporters" would never put their own life on the line for it.

disagree, i come from a military family and have many ex-military friends... if the call goes out. i KNOW that they would re-enlist... they have told me that they would and i believe their word over yours.
Thoes people you talk about were already volunteers for the service at one time. They were "military family and friends" as you put it. So yes, they would probably we enlist with very little effort.
Since they were volunteers already I would count them out.

As for the rest of the population, they wouldn't put their lives on the line.

it's not like we would need all 300 million to sign up... we would need an extra one or two hundred thousand. less than 1% of the population, and yes, we would get that
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: NL5


So, even tho we don't have enough troops now, and we are holding most reserves past there "time limit", we can invade more countries with a few more "kids" joining?!?!?!?!?! Wow.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

As I siad in my post above:

The "backdoor draft" going on now is nothing of the sort. When you sign up for active or reserve duty, the US owns your ass for 8 years... no matter how long you agree to for active duty. They have every right to call you up within those 8 years for service. This is explained to you when you sign up. The US is doing this to keep EXPERIENCED people on duty. It has no problems recruiting new people and the only limits now are the size of the armed forces set by congress. If they need more troops, they will simply ask congrss to budget for more, and increase the number of recruits.
Not to mention current recruiting numbers are on pace, and have not increased significantly. If they wanted more troops, they would recruit more, which they aren't.
 
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