The National Anthem

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: Trogdor91

Oh and a link that states something from 1922? Well at least it was updated with facts from 1963.

Here. Is this better?
U.S Code as of 2006.

"Conduct During Playing.--During a rendition of the national
anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute
at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag
were displayed."

And anyone who reached out to forcibly remove any article of my clothing could look forward to drawing back a bloody stump.

 

[Trogdor91]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Trogdor91

Oh and a link that states something from 1922? Well at least it was updated with facts from 1963.

Here. Is this better?
U.S Code as of 2006.

"Conduct During Playing.--During a rendition of the national
anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute
at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag
were displayed."

And anyone who reached out to forcibly remove any article of my clothing could look forward to drawing back a bloody stump.

Thats fantastic, thank you. I never knew there were codes, I thought it was just non written rules.

Regargless, it does not change the fact that I think all people wearing hats should take them off, but that is just my personal opinion.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Trogdor91

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Trogdor91

Oh and a link that states something from 1922? Well at least it was updated with facts from 1963.

Here. Is this better?
U.S Code as of 2006.

"Conduct During Playing.--During a rendition of the national
anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute
at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag
were displayed."

And anyone who reached out to forcibly remove any article of my clothing could look forward to drawing back a bloody stump.

Thats fantastic, thank you. I never knew there were codes, I thought it was just non written rules.

Regargless, it does not change the fact that I think all people wearing hats should take them off, but that is just my personal opinion.

In this case your personal opinion sucks and is contrary to United States code, so stow it and apologize to your girlfriend if she hasn't already (wisely) dumped your sorry ass.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Trogdor91

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Trogdor91

Originally posted by: zoiks
I'm not as patriotic as some people but I love the national anthem. It wouldn't matter how anyone would sing it unless they were fudging it on purpose (read Rosanne Barr).

Yup as long as they are doing it respectfully, i will clap/cheer.

Last time I heard it at a ball game, I had to tell my girlfriend to take her hat off. Then I had to take her hat off for her (of course we had to fight about this after :roll. It seems too many people these days can't be bothered to show respect for 2 minutes by standing up, taking off their hat, and shutting the fuck up.

i hope she dumped your ass. http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhatsoff.html she was right you were wrong. then you take her hat off? idiot.

edit: damn i must be typign slow today. Allisolms was not there when i went to post! yet it is a 6 minute diffrence.

Thanks for your informative post. At least you were able to make your point without namecalling. Oh and a link that states something from 1922? Well at least it was updated with facts from 1963.

I called you a idiot because you removed another persons clothing (yes a hat is considered clothing) then called her names. when the fact is you are wrong. You post about respect when you clearly didnt show her any

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Trogdor91

Oh and a link that states something from 1922? Well at least it was updated with facts from 1963.

Here. Is this better?
U.S Code as of 2006.

"Conduct During Playing.--During a rendition of the national
anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute
at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag
were displayed."

And anyone who reached out to forcibly remove any article of my clothing could look forward to drawing back a bloody stump.

wow I never knew there was a written law/code about this, odd...

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Trogdor91

Oh and a link that states something from 1922? Well at least it was updated with facts from 1963.

Here. Is this better?
U.S Code as of 2006.

"Conduct During Playing.--During a rendition of the national
anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute
at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag
were displayed."

And anyone who reached out to forcibly remove any article of my clothing could look forward to drawing back a bloody stump.

wow I never knew there was a written law/code about this, odd...

There's also US "law" on how to hang and treat the US flag but none of it is enforceable, and if put to the test would actually be found unconstitutional

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: allisolm
Here. Is this better?
U.S Code as of 2006.

"Conduct During Playing.--During a rendition of the national
anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute
at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag
were displayed."

And anyone who reached out to forcibly remove any article of my clothing could look forward to drawing back a bloody stump.

In other words, you say you will commit an act of assault before you will commit an act of respect? :roll:


Look, just because it's not in the code, doesn't mean women should keep their caps on their head. Hey, the code doesn't say men must be wearing pants during the anthem. Perhaps I should remove them too next ballgame I'm at. When someone tries to tell me I'm being disrespectful, I can point to the code and say I'm well within my rights to salute the flag this way. :roll:

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
It's such a bad song... They really should have used America the Beautiful. "Oh say can you see by the dawn's early light what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?" This sentence is meaningless. I consider myself patriotic but I don't get caught up in flags and anthems. Like George Carlin said, I consider those symbols, and I leave symbols to the symbol-minded.

I will clap politely... I generally don't boo.

Did you skip grade school?
You don't need to be into symbols, flags or anthems to appreciate the story of why Francis Scott Key wrote his poem.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: allisolm
Here. Is this better?
U.S Code as of 2006.

"Conduct During Playing.--During a rendition of the national
anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute
at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag
were displayed."

And anyone who reached out to forcibly remove any article of my clothing could look forward to drawing back a bloody stump.

In other words, you say you will commit an act of assault before you will commit an act of respect? :roll:


Look, just because it's not in the code, doesn't mean women should keep their caps on their head. Hey, the code doesn't say men must be wearing pants during the anthem. Perhaps I should remove them too next ballgame I'm at. When someone tries to tell me I'm being disrespectful, I can point to the code and say I'm well within my rights to salute the flag this way. :roll:

You have a right to make ridiculous posts too, that doesn't mean you have to.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: allisolm
Here. Is this better?
U.S Code as of 2006.

In other words, you say you will commit an act of assault before you will commit an act of respect? :roll:


Look, just because it's not in the code, doesn't mean women should keep their caps on their head. Hey, the code doesn't say men must be wearing pants during the anthem. Perhaps I should remove them too next ballgame I'm at. When someone tries to tell me I'm being disrespectful, I can point to the code and say I'm well within my rights to salute the flag this way. :roll:

Now you're just being a douchebag.

 

[onlyCOpunk]

I would usually hear it at work before hockey games. I never really paid attention when it was happening, unless it was really bad then I would cringe and laugh with the others in the production booth, then get back to work.

No time to be patriotic when you've got deadlines.

 

[meltdown75]

whiny douchebag sighting confirmed.

(aside from myself)

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Kev
Why is taking your hat off a sign of respect? Never understood that. But what a dumb thing to pick a fight over.

It comes from Medieval chivalry, where a knight would lift his visor/remove his helmet upon entering a home to show he wasn't a threat.

ummm nooo that is where the military salute came from and its just a theory.

Women are not required to remove their hat only men.

And women typically weren't knights, were they?

Suffice to say that's the explanation I've heard since I was in elementary school. I'm sorry if I've somehow committed a capital sin against ATOT by stating it. :roll:

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Kev
Why is taking your hat off a sign of respect? Never understood that. But what a dumb thing to pick a fight over.

It comes from Medieval chivalry, where a knight would lift his visor/remove his helmet upon entering a home to show he wasn't a threat.

ummm nooo that is where the military salute came from and its just a theory.

Women are not required to remove their hat only men.

And women typically weren't knights, were they?

Suffice to say that's the explanation I've heard since I was in elementary school. I'm sorry if I've somehow committed a capital sin against ATOT by stating it. :roll:

By stating it? Hell no, that was merely preposterous.

Using the "I heard it in Elementary School" defense, however...that was truly pathetic.

 

[mooseracing]

Seems like a double standard that women don't have to remove their hat. I would be sure to mention something to my g/f even knowing the "code". I will always remove my hat and be sure to let others know around me they are disrespecting the country and the people that have lost their lives to keep this country going.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: foghorn67
Did you skip grade school?
You don't need to be into symbols, flags or anthems to appreciate the story of why Francis Scott Key wrote his poem.

I went to public school. We never covered the story of the National Anthem, and I never cared to learn it on my own. It is not an appealing song. Even when sung by a talented singer, it is unpleasant to listen to, and the majority of the country can't sing along to it because there is too much of a difference between the lowest and highest note in the song (I think it's an octave and a half range, but I could be mistaken). The highest note of the song is on a long "e" sound (land of the freeeeeeee), making it sound like a prolonged shriek. The language is archaic, and if you sat the vast majority of the country down with the lyrics in front of them and asked them to decipher its meaning, they would fail. It is not a good song. I don't care about the story behind it, I am judging it on its merits as a song, and, in my opinion, it does not pass muster. Quite frankly, I think whoever determined that should be our national anthem was being unpatriotic on that day.

 

[shortylickens]

Are we talking about Rosanne, or somebody who actually should have been able to sing it?

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Trogdor91
Last time I heard it at a ball game, I had to tell my girlfriend to take her hat off. Then I had to take her hat off for her (of course we had to fight about this after :roll. It seems too many people these days can't be bothered to show respect for 2 minutes by standing up, taking off their hat, and shutting the fuck up.

I assume she won the fight since the taking off of hats for the national anthem does not apply to women.

Actually it depends on the style of hat. If she was wearing a baseball or similar style of cap then she is required by etiquette to remove it. Anything else would be at her discretion.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
I would still clap politely because it takes guts to get out there and sing.

When I was in college Picabo Street sang the anthem at our football game. She started giggling after the second line and couldn't stop for the entire thing. Lots of people were booing her by the end. There were very few clappers.

 

[oogabooga]

I would boo if the person showed disrespect. If they suck I would clap politely cause I know I wouldn't get out there to attempt it.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Kev
Why is taking your hat off a sign of respect? Never understood that. But what a dumb thing to pick a fight over.

because it shows respect. Your baring your head for something that represents your country. If you think you're being some antiestablishmentary hero over not removing your hat, you're probably as much a tool as the people who think the same thing.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Trogdor91
Last time I heard it at a ball game, I had to tell my girlfriend to take her hat off. Then I had to take her hat off for her (of course we had to fight about this after :roll. It seems too many people these days can't be bothered to show respect for 2 minutes by standing up, taking off their hat, and shutting the fuck up.

I assume she won the fight since the taking off of hats for the national anthem does not apply to women.

That was in the old days. Women want to be equal to men now, so you get to take off your hat. That is unless you support sexist customs.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Trogdor91

Originally posted by: zoiks
I'm not as patriotic as some people but I love the national anthem. It wouldn't matter how anyone would sing it unless they were fudging it on purpose (read Rosanne Barr).

Yup as long as they are doing it respectfully, i will clap/cheer.

Last time I heard it at a ball game, I had to tell my girlfriend to take her hat off. Then I had to take her hat off for her (of course we had to fight about this after :roll. It seems too many people these days can't be bothered to show respect for 2 minutes by standing up, taking off their hat, and shutting the fuck up.

you suck

 

[miketheidiot]

our national anthem is atrocious, typically i won't even stand, and anyone who gives a damn is an oversensative prick looking for something to be a high and mighty assbag about.

When we have a national anthem worth respecting, i'll start caring.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Actually it depends on the style of hat. If she was wearing a baseball or similar style of cap then she is required by etiquette to remove it. Anything else would be at her discretion.

Nope.

Rules regarding etiquette during a rendition of the national
anthem come from the national code; not pulled from your ass.




TITLE 36--PATRIOTIC AND NATIONAL OBSERVANCES, CEREMONIES, AND
ORGANIZATIONS

Subtitle I--Patriotic and National Observances and Ceremonies

Part A--Observances and Ceremonies

CHAPTER 3--NATIONAL ANTHEM, MOTTO, FLORAL EMBLEM \1\ MARCH, AND TREE

Sec. 301. National anthem

(a) Designation.--The composition consisting of the words and music
known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing.--During a rendition of the national
anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute
at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag
were displayed.

(Pub. L. 105-225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263.)