Originally posted by: scorpious
Originally posted by: dougp
Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: cheezy321
I hope you can at least agree with me on the fact that Manu Ginobili has been at the top of the list of floppers in the NBA for pretty much his entire career (right in front of Varejao).
anderson is the biggest flopper and douche in the league. he doesn't have any skill, all he can do is flop. manu really don't flop that often. he does embellish a lot of fouls, but so do most NBA players. he was worse when he first came into the league but hes gotten better. not to mention he has a ton of skill.
please remember that he did lead an argentinian team that has beaten the US in international competition.
Chris Anderson? Worst flopper in the league is hands down AK47, then Varegina followed by Vujacic.
No, Anderson Varejao. That's his first name.
I don't know about AK47, but his 10-5-5-5 stat lines were once a "holy shit this could be awesome". He still shows flashes but it seems his golden days are gone. Though I feel if he were in the right system (Warriors, Knicks) he'd be an awesome player.
Originally posted by: dougp
Originally posted by: scorpious
Originally posted by: dougp
Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: cheezy321
I hope you can at least agree with me on the fact that Manu Ginobili has been at the top of the list of floppers in the NBA for pretty much his entire career (right in front of Varejao).
anderson is the biggest flopper and douche in the league. he doesn't have any skill, all he can do is flop. manu really don't flop that often. he does embellish a lot of fouls, but so do most NBA players. he was worse when he first came into the league but hes gotten better. not to mention he has a ton of skill.
please remember that he did lead an argentinian team that has beaten the US in international competition.
Chris Anderson? Worst flopper in the league is hands down AK47, then Varegina followed by Vujacic.
No, Anderson Varejao. That's his first name.
I don't know about AK47, but his 10-5-5-5 stat lines were once a "holy shit this could be awesome". He still shows flashes but it seems his golden days are gone. Though I feel if he were in the right system (Warriors, Knicks) he'd be an awesome player.
Oh ok, most people don't call players by their first name unless it's just them ... wasn't sure.
AK47 could be good in a run and gun team, but I don't know by how much. He's become much more of a specialist, but hasn't been the same since his injury.
Originally posted by: dougp
Originally posted by: scorpious
Originally posted by: dougp
Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: cheezy321
I hope you can at least agree with me on the fact that Manu Ginobili has been at the top of the list of floppers in the NBA for pretty much his entire career (right in front of Varejao).
anderson is the biggest flopper and douche in the league. he doesn't have any skill, all he can do is flop. manu really don't flop that often. he does embellish a lot of fouls, but so do most NBA players. he was worse when he first came into the league but hes gotten better. not to mention he has a ton of skill.
please remember that he did lead an argentinian team that has beaten the US in international competition.
Chris Anderson? Worst flopper in the league is hands down AK47, then Varegina followed by Vujacic.
No, Anderson Varejao. That's his first name.
I don't know about AK47, but his 10-5-5-5 stat lines were once a "holy shit this could be awesome". He still shows flashes but it seems his golden days are gone. Though I feel if he were in the right system (Warriors, Knicks) he'd be an awesome player.
Oh ok, most people don't call players by their first name unless it's just them ... wasn't sure.
AK47 could be good in a run and gun team, but I don't know by how much. He's become much more of a specialist, but hasn't been the same since his injury.
Originally posted by: dougp
Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Ginobili is an above average player, not a great player. Great players make those around them better. Ginobili is not that. Even before his injuries, you couldn't build a franchise around him.
Now I don't know what his international body of work is, but from what I've seen of his NBA career, he is not a Hall of Famer. I do know that the Basketball Hall of Fame is not as selective as the other sports, so that does improve his chances.
Seriously? Dude, it's the basketball hall of fame, so that encompasses his entire career.
He is the only player in existence with an NBA Championship, Olympic Gold medal and Euroleague championship. Like you said, you don't know what his international body of work is - so probably best to stay out of the conversation.
Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Originally posted by: dougp
Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Ginobili is an above average player, not a great player. Great players make those around them better. Ginobili is not that. Even before his injuries, you couldn't build a franchise around him.
Now I don't know what his international body of work is, but from what I've seen of his NBA career, he is not a Hall of Famer. I do know that the Basketball Hall of Fame is not as selective as the other sports, so that does improve his chances.
Seriously? Dude, it's the basketball hall of fame, so that encompasses his entire career.
He is the only player in existence with an NBA Championship, Olympic Gold medal and Euroleague championship. Like you said, you don't know what his international body of work is - so probably best to stay out of the conversation.
You make it sound like a Euroleague title is so impressive. That league is a joke. Case in point, Josh Fuckin' Childress joins their league and is immediately their highest paid player. That scrub is barely worth the mid level exception in the NBA. Brandon Jennings, barely out of high school made more than any of his teammates. Earl Boykins... the list goes on.
Tayshaun Prince has an NBA ring and a gold medal. I guess all that's keeping him out of the Hall is that dreaded Euroleague title. Either that or the fact the he, like Ginobili, is a good, but not great player.
Ginobili has never been and never will be a top 10 NBA shooting guard. He's a high energy bench player, who can score in bunches, but he's not a franchise player. Teams aren't struggling to match up with him. He gets his points off other team's fatigued starters or their second units.
The only reason he has a chance to make the Hall of Fame is because basketball, unlike the football and baseball, lets pretty much anybody in.
Originally posted by: cheezy321
haha sorry guys about the Ginobili thing. I just enjoy getting into it with dougp.
Anyways, one thing I have noticed over this off season is that the Eastern conference as a whole is now stronger than the western conference. I think the western conference had this title for a good half a decade. It was just much stronger competition on the west. Now, with all of these trades that have been happening, i really believe the eastern conference holds this title.
Discuss..
Originally posted by: jjsole
I give up, but this offseason rocks.
Originally posted by: jjsole
Portland offers Millsap (utah) $32-36m/4yrs
Utah has 7 days to match, or he goes to Portland.
This ups the stakes for Utah to re-sign millsap, can't imagine them losing him and trading Boozer as well. The contract offer is very front heavy, built to discourage Utah from matching it. And if Utah doesn't trade boozer before the end of 7 days, they won't have the money to re-sign millsap. This offer might also restrict Portland's ability to take on Hinrich's contract from Chicago as well ($10m).
I give up, but this offseason rocks.
Originally posted by: slayer202
what is boozer getting paid? probably around the same even without a new contract. i'd say they trade boozer and match the contract for millsap, who will be well worth that money if he is their starter. the offer was probably to get the wheels moving a little faster on the 3 way trade with the bulls so portland can get hinrich. I hope this lets the bulls get a bit of a better deal, with bayless added in, or better yet, tthomas instead of tyrus, although i'll lean towards the bayless deal
Originally posted by: p2daall
Originally posted by: slayer202
what is boozer getting paid? probably around the same even without a new contract. i'd say they trade boozer and match the contract for millsap, who will be well worth that money if he is their starter. the offer was probably to get the wheels moving a little faster on the 3 way trade with the bulls so portland can get hinrich. I hope this lets the bulls get a bit of a better deal, with bayless added in, or better yet, tthomas instead of tyrus, although i'll lean towards the bayless deal
It would be sad to see hinrich get moved but if it means that we get bayless, it would be a great move. I think Rose could learn a lot from hinrich but bayless has so much more talent and potential. Bayless and boozer would put us in the heart of the eastern conference battle. I can't wait for basketball season.
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: cheezy321
haha sorry guys about the Ginobili thing. I just enjoy getting into it with dougp.
Anyways, one thing I have noticed over this off season is that the Eastern conference as a whole is now stronger than the western conference. I think the western conference had this title for a good half a decade. It was just much stronger competition on the west. Now, with all of these trades that have been happening, i really believe the eastern conference holds this title.
Discuss..
Ok, judgment dismissed, albeit flamebaiting at the expense of ginobili is too incendiary imo.
As for the east, they had 3 of the top 4 records in the league, but everyone else wouldn't even make the 8th spot in the west. Its good to see the the conference getting stronger, but I think its yet to be seen they are a stronger conference.
Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Originally posted by: p2daall
Originally posted by: slayer202
what is boozer getting paid? probably around the same even without a new contract. i'd say they trade boozer and match the contract for millsap, who will be well worth that money if he is their starter. the offer was probably to get the wheels moving a little faster on the 3 way trade with the bulls so portland can get hinrich. I hope this lets the bulls get a bit of a better deal, with bayless added in, or better yet, tthomas instead of tyrus, although i'll lean towards the bayless deal
It would be sad to see hinrich get moved but if it means that we get bayless, it would be a great move. I think Rose could learn a lot from hinrich but bayless has so much more talent and potential. Bayless and boozer would put us in the heart of the eastern conference battle. I can't wait for basketball season.
No chance Bayless gets traded. If Portland were willing to let him go, this trade would have already happened.
This offer sheet is Portland's way of telling Utah, "You'll get nothing and like it!" No way Utah finds another trade partner within 7 days that has Portland's cap room. They pretty much have to do the deal now with Tim instead of Tyrus Thomas -- either that or go over the luxury tax. Pretty shrewd move by GM Kevin Pritchard, giving Utah the ol' Pritch-slap.
Originally posted by: scorpious
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: cheezy321
haha sorry guys about the Ginobili thing. I just enjoy getting into it with dougp.
Anyways, one thing I have noticed over this off season is that the Eastern conference as a whole is now stronger than the western conference. I think the western conference had this title for a good half a decade. It was just much stronger competition on the west. Now, with all of these trades that have been happening, i really believe the eastern conference holds this title.
Discuss..
Ok, judgment dismissed, albeit flamebaiting at the expense of ginobili is too incendiary imo.
As for the east, they had 3 of the top 4 records in the league, but everyone else wouldn't even make the 8th spot in the west. Its good to see the the conference getting stronger, but I think its yet to be seen they are a stronger conference.
I don't know about this.
Orlando, Boston, and Cleveland are the powers. Everyone else though, meh.
In the West, you have 9 legit teams every year competing for a playoff spot. The East may have had 3 of the 4 best records, but that's because teams in the West play majority of their games against each other. Hence why at the end of last season, the standings were shifting every day.
Originally posted by: scorpious
Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Originally posted by: p2daall
Originally posted by: slayer202
what is boozer getting paid? probably around the same even without a new contract. i'd say they trade boozer and match the contract for millsap, who will be well worth that money if he is their starter. the offer was probably to get the wheels moving a little faster on the 3 way trade with the bulls so portland can get hinrich. I hope this lets the bulls get a bit of a better deal, with bayless added in, or better yet, tthomas instead of tyrus, although i'll lean towards the bayless deal
It would be sad to see hinrich get moved but if it means that we get bayless, it would be a great move. I think Rose could learn a lot from hinrich but bayless has so much more talent and potential. Bayless and boozer would put us in the heart of the eastern conference battle. I can't wait for basketball season.
No chance Bayless gets traded. If Portland were willing to let him go, this trade would have already happened.
This offer sheet is Portland's way of telling Utah, "You'll get nothing and like it!" No way Utah finds another trade partner within 7 days that has Portland's cap room. They pretty much have to do the deal now with Tim instead of Tyrus Thomas -- either that or go over the luxury tax. Pretty shrewd move by GM Kevin Pritchard, giving Utah the ol' Pritch-slap.
Well said. I knew there was something to the Blazers giving an offer to a player on team that they have a separate transaction with, but it wasn't clear to me.
Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Originally posted by: scorpious
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: cheezy321
haha sorry guys about the Ginobili thing. I just enjoy getting into it with dougp.
Anyways, one thing I have noticed over this off season is that the Eastern conference as a whole is now stronger than the western conference. I think the western conference had this title for a good half a decade. It was just much stronger competition on the west. Now, with all of these trades that have been happening, i really believe the eastern conference holds this title.
Discuss..
Ok, judgment dismissed, albeit flamebaiting at the expense of ginobili is too incendiary imo.
As for the east, they had 3 of the top 4 records in the league, but everyone else wouldn't even make the 8th spot in the west. Its good to see the the conference getting stronger, but I think its yet to be seen they are a stronger conference.
I don't know about this.
Orlando, Boston, and Cleveland are the powers. Everyone else though, meh.
In the West, you have 9 legit teams every year competing for a playoff spot. The East may have had 3 of the 4 best records, but that's because teams in the West play majority of their games against each other. Hence why at the end of last season, the standings were shifting every day.
Its like this
Tier 1: Lakers, Boston, Spurs
Tier 1a: Cavs
Tier 2: Nuggets
Tier 3: Playoff WC teams + Magic
Tier 4: Everybody else
Tier 5: Memphis.
Originally posted by: scorpious
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: cheezy321
haha sorry guys about the Ginobili thing. I just enjoy getting into it with dougp.
Anyways, one thing I have noticed over this off season is that the Eastern conference as a whole is now stronger than the western conference. I think the western conference had this title for a good half a decade. It was just much stronger competition on the west. Now, with all of these trades that have been happening, i really believe the eastern conference holds this title.
Discuss..
Ok, judgment dismissed, albeit flamebaiting at the expense of ginobili is too incendiary imo.
As for the east, they had 3 of the top 4 records in the league, but everyone else wouldn't even make the 8th spot in the west. Its good to see the the conference getting stronger, but I think its yet to be seen they are a stronger conference.
I don't know about this.
Orlando, Boston, and Cleveland are the powers. Everyone else though, meh.
In the West, you have 9 legit teams every year competing for a playoff spot. The East may have had 3 of the 4 best records, but that's because teams in the West play majority of their games against each other. Hence why at the end of last season, the standings were shifting every day.