The North shall rise again?

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: techs
I think the North should just take its good, high wage jobs, high tech, etc and stop subsidizing the poor Southern states. They are sucking our tax dollars. Without them we could have universal health care AND free college education for all us Northerners.

I hope this is sarcasm. My sarcasm meter is broken today.

I think he was just pointing out that the northeast and west coast states pay out far far more in federal taxes then they get back.

Strangely enough the red states that fight so fiercely for lower taxes are the greatest recipients of federal tax money compared to what they pay out.

Sounds like a good argument as to why the rich should stop subsidizing the poor and working class with their disproportionate share of the tax burden

Ouch, assuming he was not being sarcastic since techs normally posts as a liberal/democrat and you know they are all about looking out for the poor.

BTW, Alabama BBQ is better than Texas BBQ.

No, NC BBQ is better

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: techs
I think the North should just take its good, high wage jobs, high tech, etc and stop subsidizing the poor Southern states. They are sucking our tax dollars. Without them we could have universal health care AND free college education for all us Northerners.

I hope this is sarcasm. My sarcasm meter is broken today.

It's not. Techs is an idiot, and repeatedly demonstrates it.

Yea thats a good argument.

I think a lot of people in the Northeast are beginning to support this notion. I'd like to see how America gets along without the Northeast and Cali. There would be no tourism at all. No one comes to America to see some field in Minnesota.

Bwuhahahaha :laugh: You ever heard of Disney World? Or Florida? Or North Carolina (Smoky Moutain/Blue Ridge national parks - the most vistited national park in the USA)?

Ever heard of the beaches along the SE coast, or the Gulf coast?

No tourism in the SE? Man that's funny.

I think there's more "high tech" in the SE and Cali, than in the NE. I'm referring to the Research Triangle around Charlotte NC, and Silicon Valley.

Otherwise, I see no problem with splitting up. Perhaps keep an agreement on the establishment of a (North American) military and the NA/federal interstate system.

not to mention that the majority of people responsible for creating AT (not to mention these forums that some use to bitch about the South) are NC-educated, and live in the area

Oh, and you forgot the Outer Banks--tons of international tourism...and RTP is Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill...

North Cakalaka represent, foo!

 

[Arkaign]

I lived in Charlotte for a summer ('94), man that was a hot humid mess. Went back to Dallas afterwards, and felt much more at home.

On topic, I think it would be very interesting to fragment somewhat the federal behemoth. The capitalist way is free market/free competition right? Well just let states compete for viability by letting them set their own rules without federal interference. The federal govt. is mostly a system for vast corruption and the creation of problems like borders that leak like crazy, spectacularly ridiculous spending, etc, etc.

Oh, and secession does not mean that cooperation would cease between Americans, regardless of what some people are trying to say about technology and farmland.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: techs
I think the North should just take its good, high wage jobs, high tech, etc and stop subsidizing the poor Southern states. They are sucking our tax dollars. Without them we could have universal health care AND free college education for all us Northerners.

I hope this is sarcasm. My sarcasm meter is broken today.

It's not. Techs is an idiot, and repeatedly demonstrates it.

Yea thats a good argument.

I think a lot of people in the Northeast are beginning to support this notion. I'd like to see how America gets along without the Northeast and Cali. There would be no tourism at all. No one comes to America to see some field in Minnesota.

Bwuhahahaha :laugh: You ever heard of Disney World? Or Florida? Or North Carolina (Smoky Moutain/Blue Ridge national parks - the most vistited national park in the USA)?

Ever heard of the beaches along the SE coast, or the Gulf coast?

No tourism in the SE? Man that's funny.

I think there's more "high tech" in the SE and Cali, than in the NE. I'm referring to the Research Triangle around Charlotte NC, and Silicon Valley.

Otherwise, I see no problem with splitting up. Perhaps keep an agreement on the establishment of a (North American) military and the NA/federal interstate system.

IVe never heard a foreigner say "Yea NOrth Carolina is the first place I want to go to in the States.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
I lived in Charlotte for a summer ('94), man that was a hot humid mess. Went back to Dallas afterwards, and felt much more at home.

You shoulda come West to the mountains. I won't leave (and drive down off the mountains) during the Summer. Too d@mn hot for me.

I've been to Dallas, I didn't think it much better than other low-lying areas in the SE, as far as heat & humidity goes. But I do think Houston was worse.

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IVe never heard a foreigner say "Yea NOrth Carolina is the first place I want to go to in the States

I don't know that's it's many's first place, I'd guess Disney World, NYC or SoCal. But we get a bunch, mostly middle age and those with families. In fact, a lot live here in my little resort town (French, British, German, Persian etc). Our "sister city" is in Germany.

The Biltmore House ( a few mile away) is a huge foreign & domestic tourism spot. It's the biggest "American Castle", built by the Vanderbiult Family. You'd be surprised how women love it.

Again, the Blue Ridge Park is the most visited national park in the US. You get lots of foreigners crusing through it too. If their gonna camp around, they'll likely end up here in the Pisgah National Forest etc. Ton's of waterfalls and natural trout fishing streams etc. Also, this is a top spot for competitive/professional Kayaking, some of the USA's best most difficult runs.

The Cherokee Indian reservation is here (Western NC), and has a Harrah's casino.

Lot of movies made here (Last of the Mohican's etc)

There are a lot of "elite" destinations and old & very famous (among a certain very wealthy set) resorts here. Prolly from Vanderbiult days.

The ("royal") German family that owns a much of BMW has a home here. (The BMW plant in Greenville is about 40 minutes away down off the mountains). Otherwise, historically, a lot Euro royalty used to vacation here, and had old grand homes that still exist in restored state. So did many polititions from the early 1900's.

A lot of celebrities have houses here, e.g., Burt Reynolds & Lonny Anderson, Andy McDowell. Bunch of pro golfers (Tom Fazio's office is in town here, he's a famous golf course designer), and Arnold Palmer was here last month, overseeing his new golf course. Bunch of other rich people like George Steinbrenner. The guy who owns Circuit City etc.

Prolly a lot more going on here than you'd think.

Fern

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Fern
Prolly a lot more going on here than you'd think.

Fern

Well he is coming from Maryland, where there's... wait for it... I'm sure I'll thinking of something... No, nevermind. He's just swinging from NYCs nutsack pretending something in his home state is worth seeing.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: techs
I think the North should just take its good, high wage jobs, high tech, etc and stop subsidizing the poor Southern states. They are sucking our tax dollars. Without them we could have universal health care AND free college education for all us Northerners.

I hope this is sarcasm. My sarcasm meter is broken today.

It's not. Techs is an idiot, and repeatedly demonstrates it.

Yea thats a good argument.

I think a lot of people in the Northeast are beginning to support this notion. I'd like to see how America gets along without the Northeast and Cali. There would be no tourism at all. No one comes to America to see some field in Minnesota.

Amusingly enough, more Northerners vacation in the South than vice versa. Hell, most condo's in Orange Beach are rented throughout the winter by Northerners (snow birds).

Besides, secession didn't work out too well the last time some states tried it.

 

[CyberDuck]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

IVe never heard a foreigner say "Yea NOrth Carolina is the first place I want to go to in the States.

Funny, but Charlotte was the first place I visited in the States

And it was just like i imagined the U.S.


And i fully support those states wanting to leave the evil empire btw.

 

[Kwaipie]

Doesn't California still represent the 7th largest economy in the world?

I wonder what the Bill of Rights would look like for each of the new countries.

The South
1. Y'all can say what ya want 'ceptin if yer gonna bad mouth the name of Richard Petty or Hank Williams Jr.
2. Y'all have a my excellent compatriot rifle, right?
3. Shoot, yer here to protect us against the northern agressors? take any house you want.
4. If'n you ain't got nothin to hide, you ain't got nothin to fear from me lookin in yer double wide.
5. You will take the stand in your own defense or you'll get the death penalty. Cletus is standing outside at the county death penalty shootin range.

The North
1. Say what you will, but you better spell it right.
2. Any and all guns will be kept at the municipal gun gathering place.
3. Quarter military personnel in my home? That's what the guest house is for.
4. Search my house all you want. The money is off shore and Tad already snorted all the coke.
5. All people are protected by law from self-incrimination. Except lawyers.


Regardless of what happens, the South MUST take Kansas. The North will throw in Delaware to ensure this happens.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: techs
I think the North should just take its good, high wage jobs, high tech, etc and stop subsidizing the poor Southern states. They are sucking our tax dollars. Without them we could have universal health care AND free college education for all us Northerners.

I hope this is sarcasm. My sarcasm meter is broken today.

It's not. Techs is an idiot, and repeatedly demonstrates it.

Yea thats a good argument.

I think a lot of people in the Northeast are beginning to support this notion. I'd like to see how America gets along without the Northeast and Cali. There would be no tourism at all. No one comes to America to see some field in Minnesota.

How are you going to have tourism in the Northeast when everyone is dying of starvation, you do realize that the majority of Americas farmland is NOT in the Northeast right? The elitist attitude of the Northeasterners and Californians here is sickening. I've lived in the NE for the past 20 years btw.

Uh, what? If anything the NE will just buy up the midwestern farmers produce and there would be starvation in the food producing states since they couldn't afford to buy food once they lost the NE money teat.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

IVe never heard a foreigner say "Yea NOrth Carolina is the first place I want to go to in the States.

I actually know a gaggle of Swiss, German, Latvian (well, one of those...) and Frenchies that have visted the Outer Banks, and love the hell out of it. One of the few places they ever visit in the states. Their friends do too..

One of the more elite Private, and Public (well--overrated as it is... :evil Universities in the country is located in Central NC (not to mention a much tougher, and better (vs their Public neighbor) State school w/n spittin' distance of those two ). RTP is comparable to Silicon Valley in tech and is almost unsurpassed in Pharm.

It's got hillbillies, rednecks, hippies, WASPS, Mexicans, Dominicans, Trash, VIPs, what have you...

And that is without even mentioning the variety of landscapes the state has to offer (much more than those carpetbaggers in SC )

How can you not love the potential?

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: JD50
How are you going to have tourism in the Northeast when everyone is dying of starvation, you do realize that the majority of Americas farmland is NOT in the Northeast right? The elitist attitude of the Northeasterners and Californians here is sickening. I've lived in the NE for the past 20 years btw.

America's farming economy would be dead without east coast and west coast support. Sorry for stating the obvious but if the United States ends up splitting into two then the economies of both sides would totally collapse unless they continued to cooperate like they do now.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: techs
I think the North should just take its good, high wage jobs, high tech, etc and stop subsidizing the poor Southern states. They are sucking our tax dollars. Without them we could have universal health care AND free college education for all us Northerners.

I hope this is sarcasm. My sarcasm meter is broken today.

I think he was just pointing out that the northeast and west coast states pay out far far more in federal taxes then they get back.

Strangely enough the red states that fight so fiercely for lower taxes are the greatest recipients of federal tax money compared to what they pay out.

Might want to read this:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

I like this part in particular:

Thanks to a steeply progressive federal income tax, states with higher incomes pay vastly higher federal taxes, payments that are unlikely ever to be matched by federal spending directed to those states. Ironically, most of these high-paying states are the so-called blue states that have generally elected politicians who support a more steeply progressive tax system even though their own constituents bear a greater share of the burden as the code gets more progressive.

So the reality is, the "red states that want lower taxes" are trying to help the situation. The blue states are just making it worse.

Yeah, that supports what I wrote? People who vote for progressive taxation don't want to "help the situation", the redistribution of wealth is its fundamental tenent.

Exactly. So why are fvcktards complaining about all the states who receive more than they pay yet praising the states who do the opposite, even though those are the states perpetuating it/making it worse.

Doesn't make any sense.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
Doesn't California still represent the 7th largest economy in the world?

I wonder what the Bill of Rights would look like for each of the new countries.

The South
1. Y'all can say what ya want 'ceptin if yer gonna bad mouth the name of Richard Petty or Hank Williams Jr.
2. Y'all have a my excellent compatriot rifle, right?
3. Shoot, yer here to protect us against the northern agressors? take any house you want.
4. If'n you ain't got nothin to hide, you ain't got nothin to fear from me lookin in yer double wide.
5. You will take the stand in your own defense or you'll get the death penalty. Cletus is standing outside at the county death penalty shootin range.

The North
1. Say what you will, but you better spell it right.
2. Any and all guns will be kept at the municipal gun gathering place.
3. Quarter military personnel in my home? That's what the guest house is for.
4. Search my house all you want. The money is off shore and Tad already snorted all the coke.
5. All people are protected by law from self-incrimination. Except lawyers.


Regardless of what happens, the South MUST take Kansas. The North will throw in Delaware to ensure this happens.

You can't be serious.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
(though I wouldn't be totally heartbroken if certain southern states chose to depart. )

Sign it into law. I'd be glad to be rid of Partiot Acts, taxes, and other authoritarian measures from Washington DC.

 

[dennilfloss]

Vermonters would make decent Canadians. We'll trade ya southern Alberta (up to and including Calgary and Banff) for the Full Vermonty.