The Nvidia G-Sync Thread

[blastingcap]

It will start as Nvidia only. Where it goes from there is up in the air still.

Thanks. Have they made any official announcement about it or is this based on something else?

 

[bystander36]

Thanks. Have they made any official announcement about it or is this based on something else?

They are the ones who created the chip and Displayport code modifications. They have said it requires Keplar to work.

They have made a note that they would like to see this on other manufacturers cards and would be willing to work with them. I've heard other reports mention that they may open it up to non Nvidia cards.

That makes it pretty clear that it will start as Nvidia only, but may not stay that way.

 

[5150Joker]

Yeah I think eventually NVIDIA may license the technology to others for integration. Probably in a few years time.

 

[Aikouka]

I think G-Sync is great stuff by Nvidia, but it's pretty sad how quickly it has fallen by the wayside. This thread is proof enough of it - G-Sync just isn't interesting enough to be worthy of front page discussion.

Honestly, I don't think it's "fallen" at all. There just simply isn't much to talk about with G-Sync. We know what it does, what it requires, and how much it should cost. The only speculation that we can discuss is whether it will be available to AMD and/or Intel. If you have a 120Hz panel, you can also hope that NVIDIA will release a kit for your model as well.

Although, in regard to kits... I don't know if I want a kit. It sounds like the G-Sync module needs its own power supply, which means your monitor will have two. I'm not really keen on wasting plugs like that. So, I might wait for built-in G-Sync, which should provide the necessary power to the module by itself.

 

[BrightCandle]

Its not that people have lost interest in Gsync and why the previous threads died out. Its just that right now we know what its going to be, those that want it still want it and we are just waiting for some release news. It'll get more exciting in Q1 2014 when we get some details about monitors that will be coming with support.

The Gsync module does have its own power, but it replaces the power for the monitor, so you only need one (Tom from pcper.com said that I think).

 

[blastingcap]

They are the ones who created the chip and Displayport code modifications. They have said it requires Keplar to work.

They have made a note that they would like to see this on other manufacturers cards and would be willing to work with them. I've heard other reports mention that they may open it up to non Nvidia cards.

That makes it pretty clear that it will start as Nvidia only, but may not stay that way.

OK thanks. I guess I'll wait and see. I'm not in the market for a new monitor right now anyway.

 

[Concillian]

OK thanks. I guess I'll wait and see. I'm not in the market for a new monitor right now anyway.

This is really what makes it a slow start tech.

I agree that it should be considered a game changer, I expect a g-sync config to feel / be perceived as smoother than a significantly faster non-g-sync config, but the cost of entry is potentially quite large.

For me that means there's no way I'm jumping in until things are more developed. Tech should be great, but I'm not in the market right now for either a card or a monitor, though I do have 1 of 2 machines with a compatible card (one is a 7850 and one a 760). Definitely a "wait and see" for me.

 

[3DVagabond]

We need more monitor choices. Unless there are more people able to use it though, I can't see how they could sell enough monitors because of it to put it on a large range.

 

[SirPauly]

The reason why my mind and eyes are open to the prospect of G-sync is it may improve my gaming experience in two important areas: smoothness/tearing and 3d stereo quality moving forward for higher quality 2d and 3d gaming!

Looking forward to learning more but was nice to see " superior 3d quality at 100 and 120hz."


http://www.geforce.com/sites/default/files-world/attachments/GEFORCE-G-SYNC-Performance_Chart.jpg

 

[96Firebird]

I am interested in it because my 22" Acer 1680x1050 monitor is getting very old. Still works great (good job Acer :thumbsup, but being a 7+ year old monitor, I know it won't last forever. I'd like to get it in a 24" 1920x1200 IPS 120Hz monitor, but I know that won't happen... :|

 

[tviceman]

I have not been tracking this news much. Can anyone tell me definitively if this is Nv-only or is it open to AMD and Intel too?

During the Q&A for the TWIMTBP event where this was unveiled, a crows person asked if Nvidia would be licensing this tech to competitors and the exact response was "We have not precluded that idea."

 

[tviceman]

So does anyone know why there are no manufacturers making 120hz IPS panels? I know some Korean monitors overclock, but IMO that does not count. I am talking about factory-spec IPS 120hz monitors.

 

[imaheadcase]

So does anyone know why there are no manufacturers making 120hz IPS panels? I know some Korean monitors overclock, but IMO that does not count. I am talking about factory-spec IPS 120hz monitors.

No market for them, so no.

 

[24601]

So does anyone know why there are no manufacturers making 120hz IPS panels? I know some Korean monitors overclock, but IMO that does not count. I am talking about factory-spec IPS 120hz monitors.

Lack of demand + 1440p is the most popular IPS resolution right now and neither displayport nor HDMI support 120hz 1440p right now.

There literally is no supported connection standard for 120hz 1440p monitor.

Same problem for 60hz 4k.

Double displayport for tiled displays doesn't really count, and is expensive.

 

[bystander36]

So does anyone know why there are no manufacturers making 120hz IPS panels? I know some Korean monitors overclock, but IMO that does not count. I am talking about factory-spec IPS 120hz monitors.

There is also Overlord, which I believe is a US company.

The reason we don't see IPS 120hz screens is because their pixel response is too slow for good 120hz, even though people still find it better than 60hz, the problem is that they take longer to change color than a refresh, so pixels are always shifting, and never give you a clear image.

 

[Whitestar127]

I'm particularly excited about this: http://www.blurbusters.com/confirmed-nvidia-g-sync-includes-a-strobe-backlight-upgrade/

 

[BallaTheFeared]

ReviewTechUSA - Microsoft Strikes Back At Nvidia's G-Sync

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbMv0NQwaMY


With Dynamic Resolution? :hmm:

Wasn't there a mod that offered similar with Skyrim?

I dunno if I should even post this, seems like Microsoft is trolling... Dynamically reducing resolution to maintain fps at the cost of IQ doesn't seem like a comparable alternative to what G-Sync offers.

 

[5150Joker]

ReviewTechUSA - Microsoft Strikes Back At Nvidia's G-Sync

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbMv0NQwaMY


With Dynamic Resolution? :hmm:

Wasn't there a mod that offered similar with Skyrim?

I dunno if I should even post this, seems like Microsoft is trolling... Dynamically reducing resolution to maintain fps at the cost of IQ doesn't seem like a comparable alternative to what G-Sync offers.

LOL yeah that's hardly an alternative..

 

[blackened23]

That sounds more a strange version of adaptive vsync, it definitely doesn't replicate what g-sync does.

 

[bystander36]

It is useful for console dev's, but definitely not a G-sync alternative.

 

[tviceman]

ReviewTechUSA - Microsoft Strikes Back At Nvidia's G-Sync

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbMv0NQwaMY


With Dynamic Resolution? :hmm:

Wasn't there a mod that offered similar with Skyrim?

I dunno if I should even post this, seems like Microsoft is trolling... Dynamically reducing resolution to maintain fps at the cost of IQ doesn't seem like a comparable alternative to what G-Sync offers.

Terrible!

 

[blastingcap]

Isn't that similar to what John Carmack did in RAGE?

 

[blackened23]

Isn't that similar to what John Carmack did in RAGE?

If it is, let's hope that no developer ever uses that garbage ever again. The textures in Rage were a joke, and mega-textures are a joke. To think that THESE guys were the same dudes that created ground breaking PC FPS games such as Quake, Q2 and Doom II is just pathetic.

In any case what's being described with the XB1 isn't anything like Gsync, it's more like adaptive vsync as far as I can tell.

 

[bystander36]

If it is, let's hope that no developer ever uses that garbage ever again. The textures in Rage were a joke, and mega-textures are a joke. To think that THESE guys were the same dudes that created ground breaking PC FPS games such as Quake, Q2 and Doom II is just pathetic.

In any case what's being described with the XB1 isn't anything like Gsync, it's more like adaptive vsync as far as I can tell.

I'm not sure I'd call it like adaptive v-sync either...at least not in the end result. Perhaps it is similar in how it functions, but the end result allows for v-sync without the stuttering that lower FPS causes and still not have tearing.

G-sync on the other hand, doesn't have the draw back of lower quality images. And in the case of DirectX, it also doesn't add extra latency. I'm not sure how Xbox1 handles FPS beyond your refresh rate. Does it also add latency like it does with DirectX and triple buffering? I suppose this would remove the need for triple buffering.

 

[Nintendesert]

Yeah, that's nothing like G-Sync and what makes G-Sync so potentially good. Besides, the XBone is already just pumping out 720p in BF4 and Call of Dog, not sure how much lower they can dynamically change the resolution and still look ok.

I also don't get the video, maybe I'm missing part of the argument here, but why this is directed at consoles anyways I'm not sure.