The official iPad thread

[bucwylde23]

my ignore list has grown massively this year.


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I'm not sure what's happened lately, it's also bad in MD&G forum.

 

[cheez]

Seriously, do you have to keep trolling this thread? Might be the first person I have to block on here.

I'm not trolling. Why? I'm trying to save the guy his money! It all boils down to waste, money down the drain.. The end result is no good and unhappy people due to product quality problems. All you really need is just a Macbook laptop. Anything more, is a waste. Use your money wisely, like paying off your credit card bill(s).... or invest for your retirement. Or, get a nice set of speakers. Something that is more worth while.

my ignore list has grown massively this year.


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How many have you put on ignore list? I have one on mine. No it's not you.

I'm not sure what's happened lately, it's also bad in MD&G forum.

1). Low chinese labor = Bad quality products
2). Bad economy around the world. So there will be more cranky people.
3). More people on world wide web, meaning the troll and spammer population will increase. No, I'm not troll.. Don't include me on this.:$

 

[Synomenon]

Ok, so I've applied an anti-glare screen protector and now I can't find the stuck pixel. I'm happy with this one now.

Quick question to all the other iPad owners in this thread; One of the reasons I got the Verizon iPad was that I'd heard that only the 4G models have actual GPS hardware built in. Is this true?

If so, does the 3G / 4G radio have to be on for the GPS hardware to work? I've noticed that when the 3G / 4G radio is on, battery life suffers so I only turn that radio on when I don't have a wifi connection in the area.

 

[alfa147x]

Quick question to all the other iPad owners in this thread; One of the reasons I got the Verizon iPad was that I'd heard that only the 4G models have actual GPS hardware built in. Is this true?

No.

Apple Specs:

Wi-Fi
Digital compass
Assisted GPS
Cellular

 

[Synomenon]

Ah ok. I thought that the cellular (3G / 4G radio) provided the "assisted" part of the GPS functionality.

Thanks for the info..

 

[alfa147x]

Ah ok. I thought that the cellular (3G / 4G radio) provided the "assisted" part of the GPS functionality.

Thanks for the info..

Oh sorry. I read your post wrong. Yes the 3g/ 4g models only have GPS. The Wifi models use: Wi-Fi,[14] Apple location databases[99] (Wiki )

 

[TheStu]

Ok, so I've applied an anti-glare screen protector and now I can't find the stuck pixel. I'm happy with this one now.

Quick question to all the other iPad owners in this thread; One of the reasons I got the Verizon iPad was that I'd heard that only the 4G models have actual GPS hardware built in. Is this true?

If so, does the 3G / 4G radio have to be on for the GPS hardware to work? I've noticed that when the 3G / 4G radio is on, battery life suffers so I only turn that radio on when I don't have a wifi connection in the area.

However, the VZ one was the still the right one to get. Their LTE network is more established IIRC, and hotspot is part of the data package. So if you are using your iPad on 4G and want to switch to your laptop or share the love or whatever, there is no additional fee.

 

[Synomenon]

^
That's why I got the Verizon model over the AT&T model.

I have an AT&T iPhone 4S. I travel alot within the US and figure if I don't have AT&T data coverage where I am, I'll probably have Verizon coverage and in that case can turn the iPad's hotspot feature on.

 

[mingsoup]

I hope Apple doesn't screw me on this replacement. But I'm hopeful. They really do want to make customers happy. I was quoted that some people receive the replacement ipad 2 days after the day they sent it in. Tues>Thurs. I'm hopeful I can get a better one without the pink tint. I also have another 14 days from receiving my replacement to refund/exchange, which is very good.

I had an ipad 2 which was to me perfect. However, reading text (what I do) on the retina is completely worth the upgrade for me and really the only reason I upgraded. If I could get a uniform screen I'd be ecstatic and completely pleased with the device. Personally I don't know what I'd do without one. I like to queue up 15 articles on readability or Instapaper for reading. Previously I was printing all that or attempting to read at the computer. The smallest text on website previously pixelated and not fun to read, is now silky and easily readable without zooming. In my mind that is worth it. Best text on any device ever.

edit: I think it might be getting better. I'm starting to think its not a defect, but rather how the display works. I can make the pink turn into a cool blue by rotating the ipad 10 degrees. Lighting also makes a big difference. It might be me but its also getting less distracting. Now I'm on the verge of keeping it. I don't know whether I'm just getting used to it or its changed. Fack me and my ocd paranoia. horrible.

 

[cheez]

edit: I think it might be getting better. I'm starting to think its not a defect, but rather how the display works. I can make the pink turn into a cool blue by rotating the ipad 10 degrees.

Color-shift caused by tilting the screen isn't considered defect. What you are experiencing, is happening with all other users as well, iPad 3 in particular, regarding tint-shifts.

I smell limitation of technology. I said this like 2 million times that Apple needs to drop LCD tech. Apple is sticking with this tech because it costs millions to adapt a new screen tech from other manufacturers...

Things like uneven whites, uneven tints, dimmed spots, dead / stuck pixels, LED light exposure from the bezel, and backlight bleeds are considered defects.

Oh, also, scratches, streak marks, finger prints, dried spit and snot, dust specks, and hair stuck under the screen are...... defects too.

 

[MrX8503]

I smell limitation of technology. I said this like 2 million times that Apple needs to drop LCD tech. Apple is sticking with this tech because it costs millions to adapt a new screen tech from other manufacturers...

Actually, Apple has stuck with LCD IPS because there isn't a retina non pentile OLED. Apple has $100B, I don't think they're concerned too much about cost in adopting new display tech.

 

[runawayprisoner]

I smell limitation of technology. I said this like 2 million times that Apple needs to drop LCD tech. Apple is sticking with this tech because it costs millions to adapt a new screen tech from other manufacturers...

No, actually, part of the reason, as mentioned, is because no other manufacturer has come out with better tech that will allow Apple to adapt Retina at this point.

Another is Apple's "impatient" release schedule. They obviously don't want to wait for better tech (like 32nm for the A5X or ARM Cortex A15) if it means they have to delay launch a few months.

Plus it's Samsung who manufactures these screens, so... I'd think you should smell conspiracy.

That aside, Samsung's SAMOLED HD, which is used in many of their flagship devices, is also pretty horrible, so I believe it's more like Samsung's QC that needs to be addressed for most of these issues.

 

[MrX8503]

Another reason is likely supply. There aren't enough oleds to go around as it is and there's no way there would be enough for the iPad. There's even supply issues with the regular LCD.

 

[runawayprisoner]

When you'd consider how many SAMOLED phones and tablets Samsung pushed out last year, I don't think supply of OLED is the reason at all.

I'm very certain (99% certain) that it's because of SAMOLED display quality and tech limitations (namely the infamous pentile matrix and low brightness issues). Hopefully with the maturity of the tech into SAMOLED+, Samsung will have a good pitch to Apple and we'll start seeing Apple adopt OLED.

 

[mmntech]

When you'd consider how many SAMOLED phones and tablets Samsung pushed out last year, I don't think supply of OLED is the reason at all.

I'm very certain (99% certain) that it's because of SAMOLED display quality and tech limitations (namely the infamous pentile matrix and low brightness issues). Hopefully with the maturity of the tech into SAMOLED+, Samsung will have a good pitch to Apple and we'll start seeing Apple adopt OLED.

The tech is definitely superior to the retina display. The screen on my PSVita is probably the best I've seen on a mobile device.

I'd expect OLED is just too expensive to manufacture in large screen sizes, which is why we won't see it in a tablet any time soon. OLED TVs with their small screens (around 12''-15'') are still several thousand dollars. Nobody is going to buy an iPad that costs as much as a MacPro.

I'd wager we might see the tech in the iPhone 5 or 6. The iPad will come later when prices are comparable. Apple doesn't like adding to their current material costs.

Oh, and my iPad 3 has finally shipped. Straight from the glorious hell that is Foxconn. I bit the bullet, but I should be able to finally use it as an effective content creation tool.

 

[cheez]

^ Good post.

Of course Super AMOLED Plus is far superior to the retina display. The tech is light years ahead, it's not just an incremental jump. As you say, the problem is the cost. Apple is trying to keep the cost down so they can save money.....


Hey guys check this link out. Good read:

New iPad’s Retina Display Not So ‘Resolutionary’ For Some

Link:

http://www.cultofmac.com/161495/new-ipads-retina-display-not-so-resolutionary-for-some/



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[MrX8503]

^ Good post.

Of course Super AMOLED Plus is far superior to the retina display. The tech is light years ahead, it's not just an incremental jump. As you say, the problem is the cost. Apple is trying to keep the cost down so they can save money.....


Hey guys check this link out. Good read:

New iPad’s Retina Display Not So ‘Resolutionary’ For Some

Link:

http://www.cultofmac.com/161495/new-ipads-retina-display-not-so-resolutionary-for-some/

Can you link me to a 10" 264ppi OLED tablet? Oh wait...

Also 400 out of 3,000,000 is a .013% defective rate. Someone demand a recall and sue Apple!

 

[mmntech]

Can you link me to a 10" 264ppi OLED tablet? Oh wait...

Also 400 out of 3,000,000 is a .013% defective rate. Someone demand a recall and sue Apple!

The yellow tint has been a problem for years. At least back to the original MacBooks IIRC. It's LG's problem. However, I have yet to encounter one with it. It's an insignificant problem.

 

[cheez]

Can you link me to a 10" 264ppi OLED tablet? Oh wait...

Also 400 out of 3,000,000 is a .013% defective rate. Someone demand a recall and sue Apple!

Well, like I said before, that 400 refers to the people that "reported" the problem on one forum alone. And that is just for the yellowish hue / tint. Most folks out there that are experiencing the issues with the screen are not posting on the forums. Some of them don't even know what is the problem when it's right in front of them. :$ While some others admit they have the issues but willing to put up with it. We have plenty of evidence by other forum members posting their pictures taken from their iPads. I am not saying only Apple iPads suck. Samsung tablets have their screen issues too, except for the latest tech SAMOLED+. I have not yet heard of backlight bleeds and uneven whites and uneven tints on these devices. What I am looking for is the uniformity whites / colors. Also they have God-like viewing angle performance.

Realistically speaking, almost all iPad 3's have some sort of screen issues. Same goes true for the iPad 2's, but at least they seemed to have more neutral whites by average.

 

[mingsoup]

Apple is replacing my ipad with the pink/warm tint on the bottom. They are being super about it too. Best customer support and replacement policy I may have *ever* had the pleasure of dealing with. I am incredibly pleased.
I'll see if it clears up.
However, I can never go back to the previous display. People don't know what they are missing till they've used the Retina for a bit. Everything on the previous display looks flat out pixelated in comparison. If you like your current ipad, I recommend not using the new one.
This of course is my opinion. Its also my retort to "should have kept your ipad2." I disagree, I'd rather have my slight pink/warm tinge to the bottom of the screen than the ipad2/1 lower resolution. For reading its makes a huge difference. I took a 200$ loss to upgrade to the retina. I now feel it was completely worth it. However, I *had* to go back to a ipad 1 to realize it.

 

[MrX8503]

Well, like I said before, that 400 refers to the people that "reported" the problem on one forum alone.

The one forum you speak of is the Apple forum. Every avg person will be reporting problems there, so even if its one forum, its the official one that everyone goes to. On top of this the thread has 400 replies, not complaints, so the number is even smaller.

At .013% (or even less) in that forum, I highly doubt the defective rate is that much higher if you included unreported claims.

 

[vbuggy]

Not so sure about yellow but I happened to be charging several of my iPads at once and I'm quite struck by the variety of backlight intensity. Couple could be yellow. Not that I care a lot, since they're only used as remotes - but QC-out-of-the-gate was never Apple's strong point so I can't say I'm surprised.

 

[cheez]

The one forum you speak of is the Apple forum. Every avg person will be reporting problems there, so even if its one forum, its the official one that everyone goes to. On top of this the thread has 400 replies, not complaints, so the number is even smaller.

At .013% (or even less) in that forum, I highly doubt the defective rate is that much higher if you included unreported claims.

Actually, you are the one brought up on the "400" as the number of people complained in that forum. I was correcting you and now you try to correct. What's going on here.

I would bet that at least 90% of the population of the users that bought the iPad 3 in the world did not, or are not reporting the issues to the forums or any other sites with their defective displays.

I also said that there are large portion, actually, the majority of the people are average Joe, meaning they don't even know what are the problems. As long as they can see what they want to see in the content, it doesn't matter to them.

And of course there are bunch of people that *hide* the problems with their screen and claim theirs as either "PERFECT" or "I have no issues.." lol. This is common. Heck, I was one of them as a matter of fact when I first got the iPad 2. This is normal, nothing unusual.

Realistically speaking, it's complete, full, 100% failure rate, the iPad 3 devices that is.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

The tech is definitely superior to the retina display. The screen on my PSVita is probably the best I've seen on a mobile device.

I'd expect OLED is just too expensive to manufacture in large screen sizes, which is why we won't see it in a tablet any time soon. OLED TVs with their small screens (around 12''-15'') are still several thousand dollars. Nobody is going to buy an iPad that costs as much as a MacPro.

I'd wager we might see the tech in the iPhone 5 or 6. The iPad will come later when prices are comparable. Apple doesn't like adding to their current material costs.

Oh, and my iPad 3 has finally shipped. Straight from the glorious hell that is Foxconn. I bit the bullet, but I should be able to finally use it as an effective content creation tool.

There are actually two tablets with Super AMOLED Plus screens, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 and the Toshiba Excite 7.7

 

[MrX8503]

Actually, you are the one brought up on the "400" as the number of people complained in that forum. I was correcting you and now you try to correct. What's going on here.

I would bet that at least 90% of the population of the users that bought the iPad 3 in the world did not, or are not reporting the issues to the forums or any other sites with their defective displays.

I also said that there are large portion, actually, the majority of the people are average Joe, meaning they don't even know what are the problems. As long as they can see what they want to see in the content, it doesn't matter to them.

And of course there are bunch of people that *hide* the problems with their screen and claim theirs as either "PERFECT" or "I have no issues.." lol. This is common. Heck, I was one of them as a matter of fact when I first got the iPad 2. This is normal, nothing unusual.

Realistically speaking, it's complete, full, 100% failure rate, the iPad 3 devices that is.

You linked to a blog post saying 400. I double checked and it was false. 100% failure rate? lol, opinions aren't facts.