The Official PS4 Thread

[Silver Prime]

1) Nintendo has horrible 3rd party support and the weakest of the next gen systems. It will not get the best versions of the major titles if it even gets one at all. They can only hope that some developer can find a unique usage for the controller and impliment it into a unique title that is well made.
2) Sony is already surpassing Microsoft in global sales of the system. Further, Sony's exclusives lineup trumps Microsoft's by ten fold.
3) The next xbox WILL be coming this year. Everything points to that. There is even specs out there for it and the fact that almost everything spec wise related to the PS4 is true...I bet money the rumors for the xbox are largely true as well. E3 isn't far off and I can pretty much guarantee they announce it there.
4) You claim the PS2 was a gimmick but it has sold more units than any other home console in history it also had a lineup of over 10,828 titles and software sales are at 1.52 billion as of January 2011. So nobody bought PS2 games? PS2 was a gimmick? Sony only has the most successful home game console brand in history.

Yes, Ps2 was a gimmick, due to using it not for a game counsle, but more for a sound system decor, if it were purely on the game then the ps3 would have had done way better in sales contributing to there revanue. Mp3 devices proved that, smart phones proved that, ps2 had everything in one, smart phones are cheaper an can offer the same capabilities of internet/music/games the things the ps2 was one of the first counsles to have implimented succsessfully, microsoft has trumped them in the music department all day long in terms counsle capability's.

Wii's motion controls in no way can ever be implimented as a gimmick, because it offers a complete different experince, thats like saying the remote controls for all the counsles are gimmicks when they stemmed from nintendo it self which is different from a single joy stick that atari had.

Sony has microsoft beat 10 folds?

Give me a break, there sales are basically identical, not even 2x fold let alone an absurd number as big as 10x. Be realistic not ridculous, sony has only now caught a break with the ps3 in comparision with microsoft, an still it remains the fact that there next gen succsessors are to far away for the average gamer to wait, while wii u has been confirmed its release date by the manufacture's so everyone knew to save up when it was coming out right around the corner, an now its here, why would anyone (of working status) chose a wii over a wii u.

An capatalize all your words if it makes you feel better, saying the next xbox is coming out this year is still an assumption at best. weakest gen of the next system? What would that protain to??? The wii was the weakest out of all three yet they profited the most, an 3rd party support dosent have any base if you are putting your own money in one catagorie, sony would never in a million years have came out shine-ing if they dident have other assests, they would have died years ago, sony lost the most cash out of the big 3 from fails like the vita an starting point of the ps3, they dumped so much power into there system it was like drinking water from a fire hose, no one could afford it, so they turned no profit, they lost money.. not gained, we are talking about millions to even billions of dollars, without its other pockets that would kill the average company literaly.

Compared to what you just gestured...You cant even identify what is a gimmick.

 

[zerocool84]

Inferior system for a game of that scale. Just as was the case with BF3.

Playing with friends>better graphics which is why I get certain games on console instead of PC.

 

[Anubis]

Playing with friends>better graphics which is why I get certain games on console instead of PC.

100000% this

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yes, Ps2 was a gimmick, due to using it not for a game counsle, but more for a sound system decor, if it were purely on the game then the ps3 would have had done way better in sales contributing to there revanue. Mp3 devices proved that, smart phones proved that, ps2 had everything in one, smart phones are cheaper an can offer the same capabilities of internet/music/games the things the ps2 was one of the first counsles to have implimented succsessfully, microsoft has trumped them in the music department all day long in terms counsle capability's.

Wii's motion controls in no way can ever be implimented as a gimmick, because it offers a complete different experince, thats like saying the remote controls for all the counsles are gimmicks when they stemmed from nintendo it self which is different from a single joy stick that atari had.

Sony has microsoft beat 10 folds?

Give me a break, there sales are basically identical, not even 2x fold let alone an absurd number as big as 10x. Be realistic not ridculous, sony has only now caught a break with the ps3 in comparision with microsoft, an still it remains the fact that there next gen succsessors are to far away for the average gamer to wait, while wii u has been confirmed its release date by the manufacture's so everyone knew to save up when it was coming out right around the corner, an now its here, why would anyone (of working status) chose a wii over a wii u.

An capatalize all your words if it makes you feel better, saying the next xbox is coming out this year is still an assumption at best. weakest gen of the next system? What would that protain to??? The wii was the weakest out of all three yet they profited the most, an 3rd party support dosent have any base if you are putting your own money in one catagorie, sony would never in a million years have came out shine-ing if they dident have other assests, they would have died years ago, sony lost the most cash out of the big 3 from fails like the vita an starting point of the ps3, they dumped so much power into there system it was like drinking water from a fire hose, no one could afford it, so they turned no profit, they lost money.. not gained, we are talking about millions to even billions of dollars, without its other pockets that would kill the average company literaly.

Compared to what you just gestured...You cant even identify what is a gimmick.

If you only had any idea how stupid you sound and how little you know...

You are spewing stupidity with every keystroke. The ps2 and the PlayStation brand are the biggest console names in the world.

The Wii had the lowest game ratings of all platforms on average and didn't sell as much software overall. That's a fact.

You don't even know what the word gimmick means. The Wii sold on a gimmick, kinect is a gimmick, the tablet controller on the wiiu is a gimmick. The ps2 system is no gimmick.

 

[badb0y]

If you only had any idea how stupid you sound and how little you know...

You are spewing stupidity with every keystroke. The ps2 and the PlayStation brand are the biggest console names in the world.

The Wii had the lowest game ratings of all platforms on average and didn't sell as much software overall. That's a fact.

You don't even know what the word gimmick means. The Wii sold on a gimmick, kinect is a gimmick, the tablet controller on the wiiu is a gimmick. The ps2 system is no gimmick.

No point in arguing with him.

 

[ManBearPig]

FFS, people (I'm looking at you silver prime), lets keep this about the PS4 please.

 

[crisium]

Playing with friends>better graphics which is why I get certain games on console instead of PC.

Well, he specifically mentioned BF3 which is worth noting. I'd rather play with strangers on 64 player PC maps than on tiny 24 player console maps with my friends. The PC graphics and controls are just a bonus. Luckily I don't have that problem, as I know some people who play PC BF3.

 

[Silver Prime]

If you only had any idea how stupid you sound and how little you know...

You are spewing stupidity with every keystroke. The ps2 and the PlayStation brand are the biggest console names in the world.

The Wii had the lowest game ratings of all platforms on average and didn't sell as much software overall. That's a fact.

You don't even know what the word gimmick means. The Wii sold on a gimmick, kinect is a gimmick, the tablet controller on the wiiu is a gimmick. The ps2 system is no gimmick.

Awww polly wanna cracker? You tards dont even know what a gimmick means, all you're doing is parrot-ing loud mouths that are on places like youtube.


Definition of Gimmick:

1.something designed to attract extra attention, interest, or publicity
2. any clever device, gadget, or stratagem, esp one used to deceive
3. (Performing Arts / Theatre) Chiefly US a device or trick of legerdemain that enables a magician to deceive the audience
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gimmick

The wii u's motion control caters an protains specifically an Directly to the games "Game play" hense it is not a gimmick.

The Play-station 2 reasons why it was so popular was because it was one of the first of its kind other than I-pods, to have all the above, of Music/DvD-Entertainment/Games ect as a home counsle bundle'd capabilitys.

Hense...

PS2:

~DvD player- has nothing to do dircetly with "Games" just drawing extra attention=Gimmick

~CD player- has nothing to do dircetly with "Games" just drawing extra attention=Gimmick

Majoirty of the people I remember had more dvd's than games running on there system, majority of the people I knew had there ps2 hooked up to there sound system via= home sound system or car, an only consisted of medicore games that leaped from the ps1 to the ps2 sequels, originally made games for the ps2 dident sell as well as there predassesor, an most werent first party games.

Up your knowledge in what you spew out first, it will only tend to make you look like in what you claimed....Stupid!

kazaam FFS, people (I'm liking at you silver prime), lets keep this about the PS4 please

Sorry TS I'll try an get back on topic.

I'm still wondering how the Ps4 will do in terms comparing the sales to the Ps3.

 

[purbeast0]

No point in arguing with him.

he really is making 0 sense in all of his posts. he even said that wii u has turned more profit than the wii...

Wii u trumped the wii in revanue,

sorry, i mean it beat it in "revanue".

 

[Wardawg1001]

In terms revanue the wii u already made profits, the vita dident, the x360 an ps3 dont cost as much as the wii u does, let alone they are only striving because there next gen counsle is still in the fog, when the x720 or what ever is on line-up details, games, cost, an release date is shown to be near releasing time, the x360 wont sell that much, that goes the same for the ps3 vs ps4. Yet being so far away people want whats here now, so the ps3 an x360 will still sell fairly well.

Comparing units that dont have the same cost amount is absurd, for the wii u is more expensive then what the wii was, an still in terms N vs X vs S, nintendo is still beating the last gen race. Dont even bother comparing something which isint in its catagorie, because wii is ahead of the ps3 by a mile, 20 mill---e---on thats 20 million units, do you know how much 20 million wiis would look like in a ware-house?

Your fanboi is showing.

You talk about the Wii outselling the X360 and PS3 as if its the golden standard of measuring the success of the consoles (which it isn't, but thats another topic), yet in the same breath you declare that its unfair to compare sales of units that don't have the same cost.

 

[badb0y]

Awww polly wanna cracker? You tards dont even know what a gimmick means, all you're doing is parrot-ing loud mouths that are on places like youtube.


Definition of Gimmick:

1.something designed to attract extra attention, interest, or publicity
2. any clever device, gadget, or stratagem, esp one used to deceive
3. (Performing Arts / Theatre) Chiefly US a device or trick of legerdemain that enables a magician to deceive the audience
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gimmick

The wii u's motion control caters an protains specifically an Directly to the games "Game play" hense it is not a gimmick.

The Play-station 2 reasons why it was so popular was because it was one of the first of its kind other than I-pods, to have all the above, of Music/DvD-Entertainment/Games ect as a home counsle bundle'd capabilitys.

Hense...

PS2:

~DvD player- has nothing to do dircetly with "Games" just drawing extra attention=Gimmick

~CD player- has nothing to do dircetly with "Games" just drawing extra attention=Gimmick

Majoirty of the people I remember had more dvd's than games running on there system, majority of the people I knew had there ps2 hooked up to there sound system via= home sound system or car, an only consisted of medicore games that leaped from the ps1 to the ps2 sequels, originally made games for the ps2 dident sell as well as there predassesor, an most werent first party games.

Up your knowledge in what you spew out first, it will only tend to make you look like in what you claimed....Stupid!




Sorry TS I'll try an get back on topic.

I'm still wondering how the Ps4 will do in terms comparing the sales to the Ps3.

Are you retarded? The PS2 sold 150 million units because it had a DVD player built in? Then who the hell bought the 1.52 billion games that Sony said it sold?

"The PlayStation 2 is the best-selling video game console of all time to date, having sold over 150 million units as of January 31, 2011.[6] Sony stated in 2011 that 1.52 billion PS2 titles have been sold since launch.[7] With 3,857 games, the PlayStation 2 also has the largest library of games than any other console. Succeeded as Sony's flagship console by the PlayStation 3 in 2006, the PlayStation 2 continued to be produced with revisions released in 2006 and 2007."
http://asia.gamespot.com/news/150-m...t=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;story;17

Please stop being an idiot, the best selling console with the largest library of games ever and 1.52 billion in software sales is anything but a gimmick.

EDIT: Crap I took the bait he is obviously trolling.

 

[Dranoche]

Wii's motion controls in no way can ever be implimented as a gimmick, because it offers a complete different experince, thats like saying the remote controls for all the counsles are gimmicks when they stemmed from nintendo it self which is different from a single joy stick that atari had.

Except when they were shoehorned in just to say the game had motion controls, using them for a function that would have been much better served with a button press. Example - shake to roll in DKCR, resulted in a relative lack of precision. There was no need for it. Kinect and move have both fallen victim to this, and now most people view them with disdain.

Sony has been smart so far. A new Eye, continued support for Move, a fancy new controller, but vague details on all of them. A lot of new features in the console software and functionality, but again not a lot of details. The focus was largely on the new hardware and the games - less exotic hardware which should be easier to develop for, and cool games regardless of the control scheme.

The biggest mistake that the Big 3 have made in the past, was excessive focus on new or alternative features. They never turn out the way they're initially presented, but are still constantly the focus. Instead of being implemented naturally or subtly as quality-of-life features, they become the prime focus of gameplay and end up detracting from the experience.

 

[Silver Prime]

Are you retarded? The PS2 sold 150 million units because it had a DVD player built in? Then who the hell bought the 1.52 billion games that Sony said it sold?

"The PlayStation 2 is the best-selling video game console of all time to date, having sold over 150 million units as of January 31, 2011.[6] Sony stated in 2011 that 1.52 billion PS2 titles have been sold since launch.[7] With 3,857 games, the PlayStation 2 also has the largest library of games than any other console. Succeeded as Sony's flagship console by the PlayStation 3 in 2006, the PlayStation 2 continued to be produced with revisions released in 2006 and 2007."
http://asia.gamespot.com/news/150-m...t=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;story;17

Please stop being an idiot, the best selling console with the largest library of games ever and 1.52 billion in software sales is anything but a gimmick.

EDIT: Crap I took the bait he is obviously trolling.

Yeah... a noob, that relys on wikipedia instead of common knowledge by "Experince", where oh where has my litte dog gone, oh where oh where has he gone? XD XD XD Hey stupid, where does it say 1.52 Games were sold? Soft ware dosent always equal games, they had the bundle capability as I already stated, micro phones, camera attachments, other forms of remotes that dident protain to the games, usb outlets that dident protain to games...ya catch the point?

What are you insecure? You have to follow up with the internet standard an make sure you get in your 2 bits by paroting words such as troll, retard an ect? You havent made any point an yet you followed up like you were any where near accurate.

You fell for the bait?

Nah, you were just trollin, an you had the mit romney effect where you thought you knew something you know jackshit about, reading the first unreliable thing you come upoun the internet, an jet back because you are so insecure about being humiliated.....okay Mit, you wanna walk the plank, by all means keep it comin, or as Obama said...

Proceed Govenor ^_^

Your fanboi is showing.
Wardawg1001

You talk about the Wii outselling the X360 and PS3 as if its the golden standard of measuring the success of the consoles (which it isn't, but thats another topic), yet in the same breath you declare that its unfair to compare sales of units that don't have the same cost.

Nah I already stated I owned all three an enjoy each for there own unique things they all bring to the table, just dont get why there's any reason to brag about the day goes along sales an at the same time ignore the over-all status, like saying the wii u is getting trumped by last gen counsles, when they arnt in the same catagorie, let alone the catagorie they are in which is X360 vs ps3 vs wii, still has nintendo in the lead, its not so much bragging, its pointing facts in a manner how others proceeded to adress the subject.

But I'm still here only because I wanted to know what people think will be the sales of the ps4 in compared to the ps3, its just some drones here are butt-hurt that there bias counsle dident tae first this year, let alone spewing out crap that dosent make any sense or has any credability of being true.

 

[Arkaign]

Are you retarded? The PS2 sold 150 million units because it had a DVD player built in? Then who the hell bought the 1.52 billion games that Sony said it sold?

"The PlayStation 2 is the best-selling video game console of all time to date, having sold over 150 million units as of January 31, 2011.[6] Sony stated in 2011 that 1.52 billion PS2 titles have been sold since launch.[7] With 3,857 games, the PlayStation 2 also has the largest library of games than any other console. Succeeded as Sony's flagship console by the PlayStation 3 in 2006, the PlayStation 2 continued to be produced with revisions released in 2006 and 2007."
http://asia.gamespot.com/news/150-m...t=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;story;17

Please stop being an idiot, the best selling console with the largest library of games ever and 1.52 billion in software sales is anything but a gimmick.

EDIT: Crap I took the bait he is obviously trolling.

Lol yeah that's some epic trolling for sure.

Not to mention that DVD media wasn't a gimmick, even if you didn't watch movies on it, 4+ GB/game meant that developers had a lot more room to play with for game content. For the same reason, BD is not a gimmick on PS3/PS4/X720 because it further enables devs to not worry about disc constraints.

 

[Silver Prime]

If you say so baldy, still dosent undermine the fact that it falls into the catagorie gimmick, of course there is no means of see-ing if it werent true...

(Building a time machine) going back an making sure the ps2 dident have the dvd an cd luxery, an see how there sales would have panned out, lol but in a way there actually is a way to compare those "Gimmicks" look at the Ipod, its a living proof that those bundle capabilitys was what was hot at the time.

The only thing is epic is your glasses. XD

 

[HeXen]

Yeah... a noob, that relys on wikipedia instead of common knowledge by "Experince", where oh where has my litte dog gone, oh where oh where has he gone? XD XD XD Hey stupid, where does it say 1.52 Games were sold? Soft ware dosent always equal games, they had the bundle capability as I already stated, micro phones, camera attachments, other forms of remotes that dident protain to the games, usb outlets that dident protain to games...ya catch the point?

What are you insecure? You have to follow up with the internet standard an make sure you get in your 2 bits by paroting words such as troll, retard an ect? You havent made any point an yet you followed up like you were any where near accurate.

You fell for the bait?

Nah, you were just trollin, an you had the mit romney effect where you thought you knew something you know jackshit about, reading the first unreliable thing you come upoun the internet, an jet back because you are so insecure about being humiliated.....okay Mit, you wanna walk the plank, by all means keep it comin, or as Obama said...

Proceed Govenor ^_^



Nah I already stated I owned all three an enjoy each for there own unique things they all bring to the table, just dont get why there's any reason to brag about the day goes along sales an at the same time ignore the over-all status, like saying the wii u is getting trumped by last gen counsles, when they arnt in the same catagorie, let alone the catagorie they are in which is X360 vs ps3 vs wii, still has nintendo in the lead, its not so much bragging, its pointing facts in a manner how others proceeded to adress the subject.

But I'm still here only because I wanted to know what people think will be the sales of the ps4 in compared to the ps3, its just some drones here are butt-hurt that there bias counsle dident tae first this year, let alone spewing out crap that dosent make any sense or has any credability of being true.

Despite that poor retort(s) for the sake of bickering, Badboy is still correct. You seem very defensive over what is really nothing more than a discussion about an unreleased product.

 

[Silver Prime]

Despite that poor retort(s) for the sake of bickering, Badboy is still correct. You seem very defensive over what is really nothing more than a discussion about an unreleased product.

Uhh, no.

I was merely pointing out there lack of truth. Yet they cant understand that because thats what happens when you are blinded by the truth lol, if they want to stop the bull, then I dont have any problem getting back on subject, which is what I've been saying on each "ending's" of my post, my main focus is on the comparisons of the ps3 to the ps4, its not my fault people get insecure an jump on the band-wagons to make them selves feel better about there own faults.

Oh an btw badboy wasent right about anything he said, not even me being defensive, if you mean just replying is defensive then so are all of you.

 

[purbeast0]

fact: everyone in this thread is wrong about everything other than Silver Prime.

 

[Silver Prime]

fact: everyone in this thread is wrong about everything other than Silver Prime.

Congratulations you just won the troll award...

 

[badb0y]

Yeah... a noob, that relys on wikipedia instead of common knowledge by "Experince", where oh where has my litte dog gone, oh where oh where has he gone? XD XD XD Hey stupid, where does it say 1.52 Games were sold? Soft ware dosent always equal games, they had the bundle capability as I already stated, micro phones, camera attachments, other forms of remotes that dident protain to the games, usb outlets that dident protain to games...ya catch the point?

What are you insecure? You have to follow up with the internet standard an make sure you get in your 2 bits by paroting words such as troll, retard an ect? You havent made any point an yet you followed up like you were any where near accurate.

You fell for the bait?

Nah, you were just trollin, an you had the mit romney effect where you thought you knew something you know jackshit about, reading the first unreliable thing you come upoun the internet, an jet back because you are so insecure about being humiliated.....okay Mit, you wanna walk the plank, by all means keep it comin, or as Obama said...

Proceed Govenor ^_^



Nah I already stated I owned all three an enjoy each for there own unique things they all bring to the table, just dont get why there's any reason to brag about the day goes along sales an at the same time ignore the over-all status, like saying the wii u is getting trumped by last gen counsles, when they arnt in the same catagorie, let alone the catagorie they are in which is X360 vs ps3 vs wii, still has nintendo in the lead, its not so much bragging, its pointing facts in a manner how others proceeded to adress the subject.

But I'm still here only because I wanted to know what people think will be the sales of the ps4 in compared to the ps3, its just some drones here are butt-hurt that there bias counsle dident tae first this year, let alone spewing out crap that dosent make any sense or has any credability of being true.

I doubt that figure includes all the hardware stuff you said because you know all that falls under hardware/accessories not software.

Software is literally games on PS2. Was there any software available on the PS2 that was not games or related to gaming?

Also, I quoted wikipedia but wikipedia referenced an actual source which happens to be Sony themselves.
"Further, Sony said it currently has 10,828 titles available for the system and that 1.52 billion PS2 titles have been sold since launch."
http://asia.gamespot.com/news/150-m...t=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;story;17

Note that it says titles not micrphones or cameras or controllers....TITLES.

 

[Rakehellion]

The question then becomes, why EIGHT cores? Especially when your typical game will only ever use at most three (one for main logic, one for physics and one for audio). Most will even only use one or two.

The cores will get used, because they're there. Developers aren't going to make a single-threaded game and the wonder why it's running so slow.

And "main logic" is a very broad term. You can have a core each for AI, DSP, logic, network, etc. Even that's a gross oversimplification, because a program can easily have dozens of threads going at once, so break that down even further.

It's much more efficient to make a muticore machine than to simply clock it higher. That's been the trend for at least a decade now since it was discovered that we'd never reach 10GHz.

And physics isn't done one the CPU anymore. That's a GPU task.

 

[Silver Prime]

I doubt that figure includes all the hardware stuff you said because you know all that falls under hardware/accessories not software.

Software is literally games on PS2. Was there any software available on the PS2 that was not games or related to gaming?

Also, I quoted wikipedia but wikipedia referenced an actual source which happens to be Sony themselves.
"Further, Sony said it currently has 10,828 titles available for the system and that 1.52 billion PS2 titles have been sold since launch."
http://asia.gamespot.com/news/150-m...t=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;story;17

Note that it says titles not micrphones or cameras or controllers....TITLES.

I cant seem to read it, must be of newer software formating styles, my screen shows it as a blank, this computer is too outdated.

But it dosent matter, because your just desperate at this point, notice how it says titles? uhhh, notice how you just contradicted your self? You just said Sony wrote wiki, if they did... they themselves stated software, software does an can impliment games, but software dosent directly protain to the game 'count' it self, an then you tryed to cover up with a non-Sony affiliated (Root source) I can atleast read the title which says gamespot, they are not in any means affiliated with Sonys root statistics, just a fan base site thats more subtitled a fan forum that gets opinions at best, which can mis-translate as being opinions... not facts.

You need to find out what credability means, because you are just humiliating your self at this point by twisting opinions into facts an contradicting yourself at every turn.

But anyways...proceed Govenor ^_^

 

[purbeast0]

But it dosent matter, because your just desperate at this point, notice how it says titles? uhhh, notice how you just contradicted your self? You just said Sony wrote wiki, if they did... they themselves stated software, software does an can impliment games, but software dosent directly protain to the game 'count' it self

what the hell are you talking about? it's amusing how you are calling other people out for being desperate with comments like that.

 

[Silver Prime]

what the hell are you talking about? it's amusing how you are calling other people out for being desperate with comments like that.

Why is that desperate? Thats debateble in comparing two words that means 2 different things wouldent you say? You are the ones mis-translating words, like how you nim-rods defined Gimmick, an I had to shatter your world in showing what a Gimmick protains to (with its definitions 'link'), there can be a huge miss-interpert there that could end companys with using the wrong words accidently, sadly for you wiki states Soft-ware, reguardless if wiki was written by sony (which I doubt), why not say games? Thats because software dosent protain 100% to the word--Game's.

On the other hand miss-interperting dident come from Sony, it came from you morons, that think Game-spot could as well misinterperted wiki, why bother showing secoundary sources? Theres literally thousands of those, an do all of them have 100% facts? Fuck no, they are all opinions.

In other words if you want to remain in trying to make a point, show a root source from sony, instead of acting all high an mighty an showing fan based sites you wanka.

 

[purbeast0]

what kind of software, other than games, can you purchase that runs and executes on the ps2?