The Official PS4 Thread

[purbeast0]

great post dagamer i agree.

 

[crisium]

It still bothers me how 360 still has great XBLA exclusives that don't show up on Steam or PS3. Fez is finally coming to Steam at least. About damn time, Phil Fish. But MS is getting careless. I hope developers realize that being unable to set your own price, unable to self publish, having to pay for patches, etc is a waste.

And remember MS' rule that other consoles can't have multiplatform games before them? (Rayman Legends controversy). That's almost as arrogant as Nintendo in the NES days. I am actively rooting against the Xbox. Paying for peer-to-peer, floods of advertisements, everything else I've listed and more... the Xbox brand is outright BAD for gaming.

 

[American Gunner]

And remember MS' rule that other consoles can't have multiplatform games before them? (Rayman Legends controversy). That's almost as arrogant as Nintendo in the NES days. I am actively rooting against the Xbox. Paying for peer-to-peer, floods of advertisements, everything else I've listed and more... the Xbox brand is outright BAD for gaming.

Yeah, that one spot at the bottom of the home page that you have to actually go to before any sound is played is such a nuisance....

 

[BD2003]

Yeah, that one spot at the bottom of the home page that you have to actually go to before any sound is played is such a nuisance....

Nearly everything on the dash is an ad. The video one in the corner is just an ad for something that's not on XBL.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...-profitable-truth-about-xbox-live-advertising

 

[American Gunner]

Nearly everything on the dash is an ad. The video one in the corner is just an ad for something that's not on XBL.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...-profitable-truth-about-xbox-live-advertising

But this is one of the reasons why Xbox is everything that is wrong with gaming? I mean, really? People do know that they aren't required to look at ads right? You can just launch a game and go into it right away.

 

[KaOTiK]

But this is one of the reasons why Xbox is everything that is wrong with gaming? I mean, really? People do know that they aren't required to look at ads right? You can just launch a game and go into it right away.

But it is absurd that you get bombarded by ads on a service you are paying for on a video game console. If MS didn't charge for Live, then you wouldn't see people bring it up as much. But they charge for it and plaster ads all over it, it was one of the things that really pissed me off with Live. Every other major gaming service that I can think of doesn't show ads or if they do gives you the option to turn them off and none of those services charge you for even using them to start with.

Also, you say just ignore the ads and launch the game, as that article points out, it has become increasingly difficult to find the games on Live.

Sorry but this type of practice needs to DIAF now. Defending it is just going to make things worse in the long run in it gains more traction and eventually it is going to cross some line that even the defenders find horrible but it will be too late because they paved the road for it.

 

[purbeast0]

in my personal experience, i've never once been "bombarded" with ads on the dash. i can't even tell you where the ads are located on the dash. i personally don't care either way if there are ads or not as i must be ignoring them already since i don't even realize they are there.

not saying im defending it, just that i'm not bothered by it. kinda like im not bothered by ads on some websites because they aren't intrusive.

 

[American Gunner]

Also, you say just ignore the ads and launch the game, as that article points out, it has become increasingly difficult to find the games on Live.

Is it really that hard to go to the game tab? You just push over 2 or 3 times. I'm not aiming this towards you, just the idea that games are hard to find seems a little off. Plus, if it is a game you own, you can always just pin it and then it is there right underneath the box where you would start your game.

 

[KaOTiK]

Is it really that hard to go to the game tab? You just push over 2 or 3 times. I'm not aiming this towards you, just the idea that games are hard to find seems a little off. Plus, if it is a game you own, you can always just pin it and then it is there right underneath the box where you would start your game.

Why isn't the game tab the first thing to come up to start with a game console? Or at least make it a preference you can set. Every other system I have I turn it on and my games are the first thing I see and can select and not an ad in site.

Just saying you don't notice them/ignore them/it is just 2+ clicks away just helps pave the future for worse practices. I can't say for anyone else, but I don't want crap like that to become the standard, but if we don't nip it in the butt now and allow it to grow as it is, it will eventually and then it is too late.

 

[American Gunner]

I think it goes social, then games. I can understand that. I have said before that I wish they would let me pin the entire games market, because that is usually what I go to when I am on the dashboard.

 

[BD2003]

I think it goes social, then games. I can understand that. I have said before that I wish they would let me pin the entire games market, because that is usually what I go to when I am on the dashboard.

The more control they give you, the less valuable it is to the advertisers. What's the point of paying for a giant front page ad for "breaking bad" if people can just skip it?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Don't worry guys, both console makers are in for a reality check the first year their new consoles are out...especially Xbox. I am a PS gamer but I am also not going to buy it for their collusive efforts to hurt GameStop & the gamers themselves with their greedy business practices. I will instead just work on the backlog of games I have been wanting to buy and play, and send plenty of used game business to GameStop.

 

[purbeast0]

Don't worry guys, both console makers are in for a reality check the first year their new consoles are out...especially Xbox. I am a PS gamer but I am also not going to buy it for their collusive efforts to hurt GameStop & the gamers themselves with their greedy business practices. I will instead just work on the backlog of games I have been wanting to buy and play, and send plenty of used game business to GameStop.

lol wut?

 

[Sulaco]

Yeah. Support Gamestop. There's a rallying cry we can all get behind.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yeah. Support Gamestop. There's a rallying cry we can all get behind.

That's not what he said. Gamestop is the biggest video games retailer out there and they may be deliberately trying to hurt their business. I will admit to buying some games used, when you discover a game you missed before it is possible that it is no longer available as new. If they remove the ability to play any used titles, how will you go back and play games you may have missed?

 

[Arkaign]

Why isn't the game tab the first thing to come up to start with a game console? Or at least make it a preference you can set. Every other system I have I turn it on and my games are the first thing I see and can select and not an ad in site.

Just saying you don't notice them/ignore them/it is just 2+ clicks away just helps pave the future for worse practices. I can't say for anyone else, but I don't want crap like that to become the standard, but if we don't nip it in the butt now and allow it to grow as it is, it will eventually and then it is too late.

Yeah it's a bad trend, and it's made significantly worse by the fact they charge for the stupid 'Live' service in the first place. It's one of the main reasons I have only spent a handful of hours with my 360 in total.

(1)- Pay monthly for internet, fine.
(2)- Pay for console, fine.
(3)- Pay for game for console, fine.
(4)- Pay for console internet connection by way of 'Live' (no alternative) .. sucks.
(5)- Get hammered by ads after paying your ISP, buying the console, buying games, and buying Live? Lame.

If they had a 'free' version of Xbox Live that was entirely ad-driven, I could get behind that.

 

[purbeast0]

That's not what he said. Gamestop is the biggest video games retailer out there and they may be deliberately trying to hurt their business. I will admit to buying some games used, when you discover a game you missed before it is possible that it is no longer available as new. If they remove the ability to play any used titles, how will you go back and play games you may have missed?

how are they deliberately trying to hurt their business?

 

[cmdrdredd]

how are they deliberately trying to hurt their business?

Used games are the main profit line for GameStop. We know this, they know this. By trying to limit or remove used games from being used on a system. They are trying to hurt them. No other retailer I know of makes as much a big deal about used games as them.

Whenever this discussion comes up the first thing to everyone's mind is GameStop.

I used to be a manager there and I know they dedicate a huge part of their business to used games. That's where they make a majority of their profits. Remove that and they would not be anywhere near as big as they are now.

I do think used games have their place. Like I said some older and out of print titles can only be found used anymore. I also think the ability for someone to get rid of a stack of titles they have laying around unused either by trading them into a retailer or selling them online or to a friend, is a great idea. Otherwise some would just throw everything away one day.

 

[purbeast0]

Used games are the main profit line for GameStop. We know this, they know this. By trying to limit or remove used games from being used on a system. They are trying to hurt them. No other retailer I know of makes as much a big deal about used games as them.

Whenever this discussion comes up the first thing to everyone's mind is GameStop.

so you think the goal of limiting used game sales is more a factor to deliberately hurt gamestop rather than get more profits to them? is that really what you think?

oh, and the whole "no used game" thing is 100% rumor at this point and has actually been debunked by the latest rumor.

 

[American Gunner]

With the latest rumor, the nextbox won't block used games. I don't see Gamestop coming out last week and being excited about it if it were to block used games.
Editurbeast0 beat me to it about the used games and the new rumor.

 

[cmdrdredd]

so you think the goal of limiting used game sales is more a factor to deliberately hurt gamestop rather than get more profits to them? is that really what you think?

oh, and the whole "no used game" thing is 100% rumor at this point and has actually been debunked by the latest rumor.

I know one thing, GameStop is the #1 used game outlet. So by targeting used games at all, they would be targeting them by default.

I know all about the rumor I am just talking in hypotheticals.

 

[purbeast0]

I know one thing, GameStop is the #1 used game outlet. So by targeting used games at all, they would be targeting them by default.

I know all about the rumor I am just talking in hypotheticals.

there is a difference between something indirectly being targeted and something being deliberately targeted. i know it is just semantics but the way you said it is that they were trying to hurt gamestop first, make money second, which is just ridiculous.

 

[cmdrdredd]

there is a difference between something indirectly being targeted and something being deliberately targeted. i know it is just semantics but the way you said it is that they were trying to hurt gamestop first, make money second, which is just ridiculous.

Think about it this way. If you really wanted to destroy the used games business you would have to take GameStop down to do it. I don't know off hand how much of the profits from GameStop come from new merchandise but I know used is a majority. Really that's all I am saying. I never said anything about making money vs not. I am saying that if anyone seriously ever tried to remove used games entirely, then they would directly have to damage GameStop as a direct result.

I don't think they would do that because for many, GameStop is a key advertising partner. Millions spent every quarter to advertise the latest games and hardware.

 

[Sulaco]

That's not what he said

Uhh, that's exactly what he said, bud.

I will instead just work on the backlog of games I have been wanting to buy and play, and send plenty of used game business to GameStop.

I'm well aware of Gamestop's standing as retailer, and that affecting used games would effect every retailer of used games.
But it was so poorly worded, and with the emphasis on Gamestop, one of the least respected, least liked retailers out there, it came across rather flimsy.

If you're going to support used games sales, at least do it through a place that doesn't rape you on trade value and/or price.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Uhh, that's exactly what he said, bud.



I'm well aware of Gamestop's standing as retailer, and that affecting used games would effect every retailer of used games.
But it was so poorly worded, and with the emphasis on Gamestop, one of the least respected, least liked retailers out there, it came across rather flimsy.

If you're going to support used games sales, at least do it through a place that doesn't rape you on trade value and/or price.

I actually like gamestop. You just have to get to know your local store, or get lucky and have good people working there.

They are in the business of making money. Most people hate them because they read some random story on the internet that may or may not be true.

Anyway, no it isn't what he said at all. He was talking about using gamestop to explore a catalog of used titles that he hadn't played before. Much like I mentioned, when a game is out of print you have to find it used. Gamestop is convenient for just that purpose. Nowhere did he say he would buy the newest releases used for $54.99. That's where you got the "rape" comment from. Nobody mentioned trading either. Maybe you didn't know but a many of the used games at Gamestop that you see that are newish titles are not trade-ins at all. They are simply New games opened up and sold as used to boost sales of used games and promote their rewards/discount card.

It was pretty obvious what he meant.
1)He is against trying to remove the used games market.
2) His form of protest is not to buy consoles that may remove access to the used market.
3) He will further protest these companies by supporting used sales via GameStop.

Also I just want everyone to understand something. For some people, yes even people with an Xbox 360 or PS3, a extra $10 is a lot of money for them. They might have a system but they don't buy new games at release. They go to Gamestop and use their discount card for 10% off during the buy 2 get 1 free sale. They want to be gamers but simply cannot afford $60 on the newest games. I'm sure many of them try to rent as well. So if they can save $10 here and $15 there they consider that a good thing. I personally have nothing against these people. Heck, when I worked at Gamestop I had customers who never bought anything new. They'd come in once a month and browse the used section for whatever system they owned.