The Official PS4 Thread

[mmntech]

to be honest, i think 360 had a better launch than the current ones are. i think a lot had to do with it being the only "next gen" console at it's time though. cod2, kameo, pdz, pgr3, nfs:mw ... all of those games owned hard (at the time, although i was personally disappointed with pdz i know a lot of people who loved it). but i think this current launch has great games too, it's just not as exciting to me since many of the games are multiplatform.

The 360 was a phenomenal system when it launched for sure. It was more powerful than a good chunk of gaming PCs at the time. It really revolutionized online gaming.

This time around I think both devs and publishers seem really leery of creating new software for the 8th gen. I feel that even the 3DS has had a very slow software rollout especially now that it's two years old. Vita ad Wii U are beyond pathetic. There just isn't the enthusiasm this time. Everyone wants to develop for the current gen but complains about the hardware restraints.

 

[smackababy]

1 million preorders 3 months out from your product release is a lot lower than expected? Nearly any company would wish for that with their product.

I am not saying it is bad, I just expected a lot more gamers to preorder. After the PS3 sold through it's 400,000 US units the first day, I'd think people got the point you have to preorder. Especially, with there being a lot more gamers than in 2006.

I think both will sell out though. MS will take an early US lead (because they are making more units available in the US) and it will come down to who has the most consoles ready at launch.

 

[Anubis]

the thing is now you dont have to preorder anything to gaurentee getting it on day 1.

 

[smackababy]

How can you guarantee getting a console on launch day without preordering?

 

[sze5003]

How can you guarantee getting a console on launch day without preordering?

Just like some people were saying even if you preorder at best buy you may not get a console if they don't have enough. I don't think that is true at all. They order based on preorders and the point of a preorder is so that they don't just sell the system to Joe blow that walked in at 8am on opening day.

 

[cmdrdredd]

to be honest, i think 360 had a better launch than the current ones are. i think a lot had to do with it being the only "next gen" console at it's time though. cod2, kameo, pdz, pgr3, nfs:mw ... all of those games owned hard (at the time, although i was personally disappointed with pdz i know a lot of people who loved it).too.

I disagree with those games owning anything but that is just me. I personally think killer instinct, forza 5, battlefield 4, assassins creed 4, killzone, watch dogs are much better choices to have. To each his own. What I am hoping for is they don't have a year of nothing, but it doesn't appear that is the case if you believe what Sony and ms are saying.

Just like some people were saying even if you preorder at best buy you may not get a console if they don't have enough. I don't think that is true at all. They order based on preorders and the point of a preorder is so that they don't just sell the system to Joe blow that walked in at 8am on opening day.

They pre-order until their guaranteed allotment is filled. They cut it off after that. If the store does well in pre-orders they may receive extras because they have a high demand at that location. They know how many they are guaranteed to get and after that who knows. They are also to hold the pre-ordered one for 48hours to give you time to pick it up before they sell it to someone else. Whether or not they adhere to this policy is up to the manager I guess but I would hope they do it this way just as GameStop does.

 

[KaOTiK]

I think both will sell out though. MS will take an early US lead (because they are making more units available in the US) and it will come down to who has the most consoles ready at launch.

lol stop pulling stuff out of your ass that no one knows. About the only thing we do know about units available is Sony will have many more systems available at launch then MS.

 

[sze5003]

The pre order receipts at best buy say I have up to a week to come get my games. If they do a midnight release I need to burn some vacation days before new ones come in December so I may go to that.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The pre order receipts at best buy say I have up to a week to come get my games. If they do a midnight release I need to burn some vacation days before new ones come in December so I may go to that.

Heh...I almost never go to midnight releases. There is always a crowd or people and a line etc. I can walk in after work the next day and there is nobody there.

 

[sze5003]

Last midnight release I was at was for modern warfare 2. I don't see the point usually and I can't remember why I went in the first place. I'm suprised they have not announced a date for the Xbox 1.

 

[smackababy]

lol stop pulling stuff out of your ass that no one knows. About the only thing we do know about units available is Sony will have many more systems available at launch then MS.

WTF are you talking about? We know Sony will have more units how exactly? Please provide source.

Also, it is a well known fact MS has delayed their release in a lot of countries freeing up consoles in their largest markets. MS will outsell Sony in the US because MS will have more units allotted to the US.

 

[ManBearPig]

I meant that I'm probably just gonna cancel my preorder and then get it a little later (6 months to a year later). I just dont see much allure in the games that'll be out at launch. However, wont amazon start charging tax in 2014? It may be worth it to get it at launch only for that lol.

 

[sze5003]

I meant that I'm probably just gonna cancel my preorder and then get it a little later (6 months to a year later). I just dont see much allure in the games that'll be out at launch. However, wont amazon start charging tax in 2014? It may be worth it to get it at launch only for that lol.

Amazon when I order, started charging tax where I live now. I guess some places they have not ?

 

[smackababy]

No Amazon tax where I live.

If none of the launch titles appeal to you, it is worth it to wait. It might have a bundle by then or maybe a price drop (doubtful though).

 

[ManBearPig]

Yeah 1 year or less seems too soon for a price drop or hardware revision.

 

[KaOTiK]

WTF are you talking about? We know Sony will have more units how exactly? Please provide source.

Also, it is a well known fact MS has delayed their release in a lot of countries freeing up consoles in their largest markets. MS will outsell Sony in the US because MS will have more units allotted to the US.

How do we know Sony will have more units? Preorder allotments, that is how. Every retailer had 2-4 times many preorders allowed for the PS4 than the X1. They are not just taking more preorders because they can, they are taking more because Sony told them their allotment.

Yes, MS is delaying the launch in a lot more countries, but we don't know for sure if it is because they simply don't have enough consoles or if they are putting more towards other regions (probably a bit of both). But to say MS will outsell Sony in the US because MS will have more units allotted is pulling shit out of your ass.

Go spin your bs somewhere else.

 

[purbeast0]

both of you all are talking a lot of smack and making claims without backing any of it up.

 

[blurredvision]

I think you guys are making assumptions on pre-orders as a whole. I think stores are given an estimate or maybe just guess at how many units they get, then take pre-orders to that amount. Others may just take a shitload and cut it off whenever they feel like it.

Case in point was Gamestop the last time consoles launched. Some people had to wait 2-3 months to get their console preorder. Wii pre-orders had to wait even longer in some cases, from what I remember.

My point is that I don't think pre-order numbers can be used in any kind of console pissing contest. They're aren't really indicative of anything at all. At this point, I have the PS4 pre-ordered but I'm leaning toward not keeping it or flipping it if possible. I'm sure there are others that are the same in both camps. I pre-ordered because I didn't have to put any money down (Amazon).

 

[JujuFish]

both of you all are talking a lot of smack and making claims without backing any of it up.

That's how you win internet arguments, right?

 

[sze5003]

What about the other issues Xbox has to face like the hdmi passthrough? Maybe they have some software related issues which could reason for it being delayed in other areas.

 

[smackababy]

What about the other issues Xbox has to face like the hdmi passthrough? Maybe they have some software related issues which could reason for it being delayed in other areas.

How does the HDMI passthrough cause problems for other regions and not the US? Does the passthrough only work in English? That makes a lot of sense...

MS knows where their target market is (more than half of all Xbox 360 sales were from the US, as apposed to the PS3's less than 1/3). Shifting their release to allow for all those consoles that would go to countries mildly interested (Europe) and not interested at all (Asia) to the US is good business. Sony, on the other hand, has to release in Asia because that is their core market. The US will have less (in percentage of their total units available) stock at release.

The consoles made available in the NA market and the UK will sell out (for both consoles) and MS knows better than to allot consoles to countries where they might not sell through when there are people waiting in the US for them.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I meant that I'm probably just gonna cancel my preorder and then get it a little later (6 months to a year later). I just dont see much allure in the games that'll be out at launch. However, wont amazon start charging tax in 2014? It may be worth it to get it at launch only for that lol.

Amazon tax is based on state isn't it? What did I miss?


As far as pre-orders go this time each GameStop store was told how many units of each they were guarantees to get on day one. If one store sold through them quickly they may have gotten extra allotments from other stores who had lower demand. After they reached their number, they cannot take more. Some stores take names and if someone doesn't pick one up or they get an extra they will call them. Maybe some managers are shady and just sell them if someone isnt there on day one I cannot speak to that as I have no clue.

 

[robvp]

Yeah amazon tax took me by surprise, but having a warehouse in cali pretty much guarantees me i will have the item a day after it ships, regardless of shipping speed

 

[sze5003]

How does the HDMI passthrough cause problems for other regions and not the US? Does the passthrough only work in English? That makes a lot of sense...

MS knows where their target market is (more than half of all Xbox 360 sales were from the US, as apposed to the PS3's less than 1/3). Shifting their release to allow for all those consoles that would go to countries mildly interested (Europe) and not interested at all (Asia) to the US is good business. Sony, on the other hand, has to release in Asia because that is their core market. The US will have less (in percentage of their total units available) stock at release.

The consoles made available in the NA market and the UK will sell out (for both consoles) and MS knows better than to allot consoles to countries where they might not sell through when there are people waiting in the US for them.

I don't know but I think the passthrough idea should work for every region unless it's only a US thing which wouldn't make much sense. Most likely they are still finalizing up software and will probably launch the same time as ps4. Launching early would be a real surprise and if they plan on doing that that's why they didn't state it. But I think that is less likely.

 

[KaOTiK]

How does the HDMI passthrough cause problems for other regions and not the US? Does the passthrough only work in English? That makes a lot of sense...

MS knows where their target market is (more than half of all Xbox 360 sales were from the US, as apposed to the PS3's less than 1/3). Shifting their release to allow for all those consoles that would go to countries mildly interested (Europe) and not interested at all (Asia) to the US is good business. Sony, on the other hand, has to release in Asia because that is their core market. The US will have less (in percentage of their total units available) stock at release.

The consoles made available in the NA market and the UK will sell out (for both consoles) and MS knows better than to allot consoles to countries where they might not sell through when there are people waiting in the US for them.

...Sony isn't releasing the PS4 in any Asian countries this year