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ImpulsE69

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heh i still find it hilarious that people still talk about this "console war" and they have to pick a winner and loser.

i'd love to be a business that is a "loser" that sells record breaking amounts of products and is raking in billions of dollars. i'd take that in a heartbeat.

if there was only the ps4 and no x1, but it had the sales of the x1, i don't think anyone would be calling the ps4 a loser of anything.

Well here's the thing though. Today is not yesterday. Companies are cutthroat and have to make record profits. It IS actually a big deal to not be #1 and only do "OK" vs great. Yes, it matters. Should it? No, but blame Wall Street. While yes, the fanboyism is annoying the underlying truth is, if MS only does OK (think..Wii-U) less people will make games for it and the people are stuck with a $500 box collecting dust. Contrary to this small segment of the population on the forums, there are millions of people out there who won't drop cash on 2 systems.

Honestly, the only time I've EVER purchased 2 systems in a generation was the DC and PS2 and I only purchased the halfway through its life long after the DC had died its unfortunate death. So which system you purchase IS an important decision. It is not a "small" purchase up front. Sure it can be cheap entertainment in the long run, but only if there are games you actually want to buy. 1-2 games is typically not "worth" a $500 investment to the majority of people.
 
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preslove

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heh i still find it hilarious that people still talk about this "console war" and they have to pick a winner and loser.

i'd love to be a business that is a "loser" that sells record breaking amounts of products and is raking in billions of dollars. i'd take that in a heartbeat.

if there was only the ps4 and no x1, but it had the sales of the x1, i don't think anyone would be calling the ps4 a loser of anything.

How is the x1 breaking sales records? Sony is selling over twice as many ps4's to consumers as Microsoft is shipping x1's to retailers, per month. http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2014/04/18/if-this-keeps-up-microsoft-has-a-sony-problem/

Yes, it’s early. Too early for anyone to pop the champagne corks, declare victory and stand over the other guy with the scowl of a champion. But Microsoft MSFT -0.97% has a problem with the Xbox One in its war with the PS4 and it had better solve it soon or else it risks having a much smaller installed base, perhaps half the size by the holiday shopping season in 2014. As Paul Tassi wrote here in Forbes, Sony announced the sale of the 7 millionth PS4, which it turns out occurred two weeks ago. That led Microsoft to respond with a report of its own claiming 5 million Xbox Ones shipped to retailers. The careful observer has already caught the difference between sales and shipments, suggesting Microsoft’s number is soft.

But worse for the Redmond, Wash. software giant is the trend: Each month this year, Sony has sold nearly a million PS4s while Microsoft has barely shipped 400,000 Xbox Ones to retail. If we assume, perhaps generously, that Microsoft’s installed base is up to 4.5 million at this point and that the channel isn’t getting stuffed with unsold consoles (a trip to my local Costco suggests those Xboxes are literally piling up), Microsoft could have barely 8 million Xbox Ones in homes by year end.

Sony, by contrast, is on pace to double that total if things continue as they have so far in 2014. Certainly, things could change the equation, though Dave Thier notes that even with Titanfall, the Xbox couldn’t outsell the PS4 in March here in the U.S. Everyone seems to agree the biggest issue is the $100 price gap between the two systems, which is mostly a function of the decision to bundle the Kinect with Xbox One. But there is little doubt that ill will associated with the botched Xbox launch hasn’t helped matters much.

The question is when, whether and how Microsoft will react. It’s certainly not the case that the Xbox One launch numbers are a disaster overall. But if these tepid monthlies continue, they might seem like one a year from now. And there doesn’t seem to be any catalyst that will alter the equation short of either a price cut by Microsoft or, ironically, some slowing in the sales of PS4. There, perhaps Microsoft has some room to be encouraged. If you look at the chart, you can see a trendline for each console which closely matches the actual data points. While the Xbox line is getting awfully flat, Sony’s higher line is also beginning to crest.

Microsoft’s “problem” looks a lot less serious if the PS4 doesn’t run away from it with a much larger installed base too quickly. On the other hand, if it does, the question is when does it become too late for Microsoft. And there’s an issue of whether the company should even bother. While Xbox is a hugely popular product, it’s not an especially important profit center for Microsoft. Some have even speculated the gaming division has lost billions over the past decade. It’s easy to say, “Well, Microsoft should just trim $100 off the Xbox One and eat a billion in losses on the next 10 million consoles” but it’s not readily apparent new CEO Satya Nadella would see that as a good use of corporate cash (even though Microsoft has plenty).

Still, momentum has a way of snowballing. And right now, PS4 is not only outselling Xbox One, it seems to be outselling it by more and more as time passes. Microsoft will have to decide soon whether to do something about that or risk also-ran status.

Microsoft has made 0 net profit on it's gaming divisions. It has tried for a decade to build a profitable gaming business and has a net loss in the billions.

Honestly, I think that Microsoft is far likelier to exit the console business before Nintendo does. They should focus on the huge profits available in business software/solutions, and leave something as low margin as gaming alone. They are obviously incapable of making money at it.
 
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purbeast0

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How is the x1 breaking sales records? Sony is selling over twice as many ps4's to consumers as Microsoft is shipping x1's to retailers, per month. http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2014/04/18/if-this-keeps-up-microsoft-has-a-sony-problem/

because it broke record sales at launch. sign me up for a new product that can outsell the previous one, i'll be the "loser" all day long.

again, not sure what x1 sales have to do with ps4 sales either, which is the problem that irritates me, how it always has to be one or the other. it's just the norm on the internet though, people HAVE to take sides, there simply is no other way.

i'm not trying to start another stupid ps4/x1 thing, i'm simply stating that i find it amusing that people always have to pick a side and have a "winner" and a "loser" when both consoles are selling tremendously well compared to the previous generation, and neither of them really have any amazing/system selling games out.

i wish i could sell over 1 million of my mobile apps on android/iphone while another app sells over 4 million, and be a "loser" compared to the other app. i'd take that any day of the week.
 

ImpulsE69

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because it broke record sales at launch. sign me up for a new product that can outsell the previous one, i'll be the "loser" all day long.

again, not sure what x1 sales have to do with ps4 sales either, which is the problem that irritates me, how it always has to be one or the other. it's just the norm on the internet though, people HAVE to take sides, there simply is no other way.

i'm not trying to start another stupid ps4/x1 thing, i'm simply stating that i find it amusing that people always have to pick a side and have a "winner" and a "loser" when both consoles are selling tremendously well compared to the previous generation, and neither of them really have any amazing/system selling games out.

i wish i could sell over 1 million of my mobile apps on android/iphone while another app sells over 4 million, and be a "loser" compared to the other app. i'd take that any day of the week.

I think your viewpoint is skewed. The reason it is a big deal is because it is MS and they dropped tons of cash on it. Just because they broke their own record on launch doesn't mean anything at all. There is a vast difference in an app that you have very little invested to make vs something they spent an ungodly amount of R&D etc on. The idea in the console business is to sell games (or attach rate as people like to say). I agree that it is still way too early to call anyone a winner..and personally don't care about a "winner" per se. In the business world though, it does matter. It heavily determines which systems a game gets made for because AAA titles only want to drop money on the system they can sell the most games on these days.
 

purbeast0

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I think your viewpoint is skewed. The reason it is a big deal is because it is MS and they dropped tons of cash on it. Just because they broke their own record on launch doesn't mean anything at all. There is a vast difference in an app that you have very little invested to make vs something they spent an ungodly amount of R&D etc on. The idea in the console business is to sell games (or attach rate as people like to say). I agree that it is still way too early to call anyone a winner..and personally don't care about a "winner" per se. In the business world though, it does matter. It heavily determines which systems a game gets made for because AAA titles only want to drop money on the system they can sell the most games on these days.

no i do get it. third parties were making games for ps3 and 360 (multiplatform games) when less ps3s and 360s were out there than ps4s and x1s are out there now. both consoles will be just fine and 3rd parties will continue to make games for both of them just as they did in the past.

for example, according to vgchartz, cod:ghosts sold 2.08 million on the ps4, and 1.67 on the x1. do you think no money was made because "only" 1.67 million copies were sold on the x1?

my point is, both consoles can do just fine and will do just fine. would selling more copies be better for them? yes, obviously. but is 1.67 million something to scoff at? not a chance.

so again, sign me up for a loser if i can "only" sell 1.67 million copies.

this 1 dimensional viewpoint that 99.99% of the internet has where "it can only be one or the other" is just laughable.
 

preslove

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because it broke record sales at launch. sign me up for a new product that can outsell the previous one, i'll be the "loser" all day long.

again, not sure what x1 sales have to do with ps4 sales either, which is the problem that irritates me, how it always has to be one or the other. it's just the norm on the internet though, people HAVE to take sides, there simply is no other way.

i'm not trying to start another stupid ps4/x1 thing, i'm simply stating that i find it amusing that people always have to pick a side and have a "winner" and a "loser" when both consoles are selling tremendously well compared to the previous generation, and neither of them really have any amazing/system selling games out.

i wish i could sell over 1 million of my mobile apps on android/iphone while another app sells over 4 million, and be a "loser" compared to the other app. i'd take that any day of the week.

The fact of the matter is that Xbox hasn't made Microsoft any money. It probably never will. That is losing.

It doesn't matter how many widgets you sell if the total cost of marketing, designing, producing, and selling those widgets costs you BILLIONS more than you receive in revenue.

Also, I'm pretty sure that production constraints seriously curtailed 360 purchases at launch and the several months after, so the Xbox1 outselling the 360 in the early stages doesn't really mean that much.

There is a reason why the business press is starting to call for microsoft to kill their Xbox division, and it isn't because they're sony fanboys.
 

sze5003

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Could this be why Xbox only stores closed down in the UK? Or are those just opened for a few months after launch and then closed later?
 

Arkaign

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The problem is not the launch sales. Xb1 did well in Nov/DEC. The problem is that they've had a horrible 2014 beyond titanfall week. People are already talking about xb1 maybe having 100k months, which is terrible.

E3 should be interesting. I'm sure Spencer has something cooking.
 

gorcorps

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Ah yes. The Wii Effect. Buying one only because it's selling out and everyone else has one

Heh, well that's probably part of it. $60 isn't as much as the Wii, and I also see potential... but I did the same thing with the Move and that bit me.
 

cmdrdredd

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heh i still find it hilarious that people still talk about this "console war" and they have to pick a winner and loser.

i'd love to be a business that is a "loser" that sells record breaking amounts of products and is raking in billions of dollars. i'd take that in a heartbeat.

if there was only the ps4 and no x1, but it had the sales of the x1, i don't think anyone would be calling the ps4 a loser of anything.

I did hear that the xbox division isn't making any money at all. They have made zero profit since 2001.
 
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Maverickbcp

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I did hear that the xbox division isn't making any money at all. They have made zero profit since 2001.

Ya I've been reading that too but something just strikes me as odd about that. Sure Microsoft has enough money from other avenues to offset any losses from their gaming division, but would they really continue this for 13+ years? I mean aside from being stubborn/refusing to admit defeat and let someone else control a market, I don't see them continuing to dump money into something that isn't making them anything. I dunno just seems there's more to it then we the outsiders are made privi'ed to.
 

preslove

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Ya I've been reading that too but something just strikes me as odd about that. Sure Microsoft has enough money from other avenues to offset any losses from their gaming division, but would they really continue this for 13+ years? I mean aside from being stubborn/refusing to admit defeat and let someone else control a market, I don't see them continuing to dump money into something that isn't making them anything. I dunno just seems there's more to it then we the outsiders are made privi'ed to.

Bing and the rest of their online products have wasted a lot more. Windows prints money.
 

sze5003

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Looks like I will also be buying mlb the show when it comes out. Never played a baseball video game but this looks like it would be fun and interesting. Plus it looks so good and from videos that I watched on YouTube, looks like it can be noob friendly.
 

cmdrdredd

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Ya I've been reading that too but something just strikes me as odd about that. Sure Microsoft has enough money from other avenues to offset any losses from their gaming division, but would they really continue this for 13+ years? I mean aside from being stubborn/refusing to admit defeat and let someone else control a market, I don't see them continuing to dump money into something that isn't making them anything. I dunno just seems there's more to it then we the outsiders are made privi'ed to.

Yeah I dunno. You wouldn't think they would take yearly losses for that long.
 

Bman123

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Looks like I will also be buying mlb the show when it comes out. Never played a baseball video game but this looks like it would be fun and interesting. Plus it looks so good and from videos that I watched on YouTube, looks like it can be noob friendly.

Let me know when you get it because I'm getting it the day it comes out
 

tdawg

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Looks like I will also be buying mlb the show when it comes out. Never played a baseball video game but this looks like it would be fun and interesting. Plus it looks so good and from videos that I watched on YouTube, looks like it can be noob friendly.

Best sports game made and one of the most addicting, for me. I play almost exclusively Road to the Show and love that they have finally figured out how to carry over save files to next year's version and beyond. I'll be picking this up on release day and struggling to sit through work with it on my desk all day.
 

sze5003

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good deal for you guys

No such luck with US amazon

Yeah I will pay $30 here for trading in cod ghosts to best buy. So add some tax to that and that will be it. Anyone looking to trade games in best buy will give you the most money. If you pre order watch dogs at best buy you also get $10 on your reward zone membership. Which you can use as soon as it shows up.
 

Imported

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good deal for you guys

No such luck with US amazon

Damn. I cancelled my Watch Dogs order cause I don't think I'll get to it for 6 months (MLB The Show will take my life for the next 6 months).. but woulda definitely bought at $40.
 

gorcorps

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With the added camera feature in Infamous, it's brought to light a big issue with the PS4... screenshot sharing sucks. Actually the entire screenshot system seems to be screwy and poorly laid out.

- You can only share via Twitter and Facebook, and those shares are not at full resolution. The next system update promises to allow a way to dump your screens to a USB stick though, so that'll help a bit.
- There's no way to delete the screenshots in the share screen. You have to open the screenshots in storage management to delete them, which is much harder to get to than it should be.
- Getting to view screenshots is a bigger PITA than it should be. You have to go to settings, then storage management, then captures, and then browse by game. This is the only place that allows you to delete. Why? Why is this buried so far in the UI? Why can't I delete from the share screen?
 

sze5003

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Thats a good point and some topics that weren't thought of when the system software was designed. Although a delete and sort from the shared screen is something they can add on with a patch. The UI works and it's nice but it could be more user friendly.
 

gorcorps

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Thats a good point and some topics that weren't thought of when the system software was designed. Although a delete and sort from the shared screen is something they can add on with a patch. The UI works and it's nice but it could be more user friendly.

All it would take to make sense (IMO) is this:

There's currently two "modes" you can set the share button to. Default is press it once brings up the share menu and also takes a SS, and you HOLD the share button to just take a SS. The other option (and what I've changed to) is a single press takes a SS without opening anything else, and holding the button brings up the menu. This 2nd mode makes it easy to take quick shots by tapping the share button whenever you want.

Now, given that I can easily take a SS with a single button press it's completely assinine to also take a SS when I want to open the menu. If I could open the share menu without taking an extra SS, and delete things from that same menu, it would be very useful and much more intuitive.
 
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