The Official Xbox One Thread

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cmdrdredd

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That is quite a significant difference.

I still don't care though. As long as they think they can force Kinect down our throats, they can pound sand.

I have zero use for Kinect and there is absolutely NO REASON why they can't offer the system without it

Yeah I think they could offer it without it too. I mean, if you can turn it totally off why do we need it in the first place? Meh...
 

AMDZen

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My reason is there is already a better way to do that. If TVs all of the sudden stopped having remotes again, people would have a fit. I have seamlessly switched between PC games without need a disc for like 10 years. MS was putting that feature on the Xbox One, and I welcomed it. Now, that feature is gone or inconvenient to obtain.

Thats weird, I have that on both my PS3 and 360 today. All those games I got on PSN and XBLA. But, OMG, I forgot the ONE was the first to do this, OMG.

WTFever dude. MS acts like this is new, it isn't NEW - YOU GET THAT????? This is something I can do today just like I can do tomorrow.

If your 250 GB theoretical cap comes back and that isn't enough because you get 10 games every month on PC and 360, you just need to get a fucking life man - nothing is going to save you from that.
 

exdeath

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The removal of the family sharing does suck. I understand why they won't do it without the 24-hour check. I know many hated the DRM method, but it really does feel like a step back at this point. Many advantages with sticking with the tried-and-true method, though.

Don't understand why it cant be an option. Authenticate based on disc or XBL in system options. Some features like family sharing require online authentication. Everybody happy.

The discs were already uniquely coded, so its not like you could authenticate online and loan the disc at the same time. Give precedence to the disc so it is the authoritative copy that can revoke anyone's installed licence without needing permission. Modify the licence to allow for use of disc offline with one install online since you can't verify the disc is installed somewhere while offline, and they were pretty much going to let you share to some extent anyway. Only one physical disc for offline, and its trivial to limit one install online. Options.

Some cool features but they weren't worth the loss of "ownership" of discs.
 
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smackababy

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Yeah I think they could offer it without it too. I mean, if you can turn it totally off why do we need it in the first place? Meh...

It would segment the community. Developers will shy away from using the features because the install base won't be as large. And in the event some new game (like Halo) implements the Kinect in a way that is more than the current gimmicks, the consumer is stuck paying more for it standalone than they could have if they bought the Kinect Version Xbox One. And it makes the Skype pretty nonexistent for some of the users.
 

EightySix Four

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That is quite a significant difference.

I still don't care though. As long as they think they can force Kinect down our throats, they can pound sand.

I have zero use for Kinect and there is absolutely NO REASON why they can't offer the system without it

Yes there is. They want it to be included so game developers always have it. If you are guaranteed someone has a particular set of features, you are far more likely to develop for it. It would be like if the touch screen on the Vita was optional. No devs would use it if it were.

There's already been some announcement about the cool ways it's being used. If you don't like it, buy the PS4. Simple.

http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-requiring-kinect-is-a-great-thing-for-cont-512772774
Gizmodo got it right.
 
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cmdrdredd

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It would segment the community. Developers will shy away from using the features because the install base won't be as large. And in the event some new game (like Halo) implements the Kinect in a way that is more than the current gimmicks, the consumer is stuck paying more for it standalone than they could have if they bought the Kinect Version Xbox One. And it makes the Skype pretty nonexistent for some of the users.

...and here it comes...the gimmick of the next generation right? Seriously...it's clear there are people who don't want it or anything to do with it.
 

BoberFett

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My reason is there is already a better way to do that. If TVs all of the sudden stopped having remotes again, people would have a fit. I have seamlessly switched between PC games without need a disc for like 10 years. MS was putting that feature on the Xbox One, and I welcomed it. Now, that feature is gone or inconvenient to obtain.

People have been able to play any game they purchase at any time without needing to connect to the internet every day just to check in with Mommy Microsoft to see if it's permitted. Your version of progress is backwards.
 
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That is quite a significant difference.

I still don't care though. As long as they think they can force Kinect down our throats, they can pound sand.

I have zero use for Kinect and there is absolutely NO REASON why they can't offer the system without it

If you can't see the reason, then you're just being ignorant. You may not agree with the reason, but there is one.
 

AMDZen

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Yes there is. They want it to be included so game developers always have it. If you are guaranteed someone has a particular set of features, you are far more likely to develop for it. It would be like if the touch screen on the Vita was optional. No devs would use it if it were.

There's already been some announcement about the cool ways it's being used. If you don't like it, buy the PS4. Simple.

Right because that is the same thing. If you say "menu" in COD and it brings up your menu, that is something I can't do by hitting a button instead.

You are arguing for MS just like MS even though it's all Bullshit.

The only games that would have to have kinect and not function without it would be like DDR and shit like that. I don't play DDR and shit like that. This isn't that difficult to understand. Maybe people don't code for it because its a POS and a gimmick and thats why. None of the launch titles use kinect in any new mysterious way so I don't know what scenerio you're concocting in your head.

But go ahead and think of ONE THING, ONE THING that Kinect does today or can do in the future that I can't do alternatively with the controller. Go ahead.
 

Midwayman

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I have zero use for Kinect and there is absolutely NO REASON why they can't offer the system without it

It is fairly deeply integrated into the system. Like it'll be able to load the right gamer profile to the right control via kinect. Sure they could have left it out just like any other hardware change, but there is a lot a dependency on it now. Plus all games will be able to assume you have one and implement features you might find worthwhile.
 

cmdrdredd

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Right because that is the same thing. If you say "menu" in COD and it brings up your menu, that is something I can't do by hitting a button instead.

You are arguing for MS just like MS even though it's all Bullshit.

The only games that would have to have kinect and not function without it would be like DDR and shit like that. I don't play DDR and shit like that. This isn't that difficult to understand. Maybe people don't code for it because its a POS and a gimmick and thats why. None of the launch titles use kinect in any new mysterious way so I don't know what scenerio you're concocting in your head.

But go ahead and think of ONE THING, ONE THING that Kinect does today or can do in the future that I can't do alternatively with the controller. Go ahead.

VR games, yeah maybe you won't play em. They had a pretty neat PS4 demonstration using the PS4 Eye, but that is optional which makes sense. Get it if you want to use it, forget it if you won't.
 

AMDZen

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If you can't see the reason, then you're just being ignorant. You may not agree with the reason, but there is one.

Right because nearly every single game, even if it is exclusive at first, will be released on both 360 and PS4 at some point, not to mention PC.

How am I ever going to play those Xbone games that also are on PS4 and PC without Kinect. OMG whateveramIgoingtodoImuststopgamingnowbecausegamingisimpossiblewithoutkinect.
 

AMDZen

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It is fairly deeply integrated into the system. Like it'll be able to load the right gamer profile to the right control via kinect. Sure they could have left it out just like any other hardware change, but there is a lot a dependency on it now. Plus all games will be able to assume you have one and implement features you might find worthwhile.

Wow, another thing I can't do by just hitting a button. OMGwhateveramIgoingtodothatitdoesntautomaticallyloadmyprofile
 

smackababy

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...and here it comes...the gimmick of the next generation right? Seriously...it's clear there are people who don't want it or anything to do with it.

Yes, it is a gimmick right now. But so was controller rumble (that Nintendo loved to charge you $20 for) and plenty of other "standard" features we have now. More than 2 buttons? Extra money please. Thumbsticks? Buy this new controller please.

A lot of the Kinect implementation is a gimmick. Developers are not innovating, yet.
 

AMDZen

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Yes, it is a gimmick right now. But so was controller rumble (that Nintendo loved to charge you $20 for) and plenty of other "standard" features we have now. More than 2 buttons? Extra money please. Thumbsticks? Buy this new controller please.

A lot of the Kinect implementation is a gimmick. Developers are not innovating, yet.

Rumble still is a gimmick and complete bullshit that a lot of people turn off like me.

The difference is that it isn't really adding that much cost to the controller. I bought a PS3 controller for $20 just the other day, and I won't buy PS4 controller's until they come down in price from the ridiculous price point they're at now.
 

smackababy

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Rumble still is a gimmick and complete bullshit that a lot of people turn off like me.

The difference is that it isn't really adding that much cost to the controller. I bought a PS3 controller for $20 just the other day, and I won't buy PS4 controller's until they come down in price from the ridiculous price point their at now.

Oh, so the Xbox One will remain at the fixed launch price forever then?

When rumble first came out it was expensive and was not widely used. Eventually, it became integrated into the controller (thanks Dual Shock!) and since everyone was doing it, it started getting heavily used.
 

smackababy

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So, actual Xbox One question that is not directed at the trolls:

Has MS stated anything concerning mouse / keyboard functionality?
 

cmdrdredd

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Not on a console. And not with a controller.

why would you need a controller to talk to someone? Why do I care to do it on a console when my phone can do it? That's not a very compelling reason to sell kinect.

So, actual Xbox One question that is not directed at the trolls:

Has MS stated anything concerning mouse / keyboard functionality?

Not yet. Probably KB support though for typing in stuff.
 

gothamhunter

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Technically you should be allowed to Skype without the Kinect as well as long as you have a headset or microphone.
 

AMDZen

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Oh, so the Xbox One will remain at the fixed launch price forever then?

When rumble first came out it was expensive and was not widely used. Eventually, it became integrated into the controller (thanks Dual Shock!) and since everyone was doing it, it started getting heavily used.

It will always be significantly more, and probably $100 more than the PS4 - yeah.

But I forgot. Money means nothing to you which is why you buy 5 games every month on Xbox and another 5 on PC which is why the 250 GB cap doesn't matter right?

You think once that cap is imposed again that you won't have the option to pay additional money for additional cap? If you're already able to play 10 games a month, and afford all 10 in that month, how can you not afford the extra bandwidth to play them all. Seems like a no brainer since you don't want to get off your couch and have to switch games.
 
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