The Official Xbox One Thread

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cmdrdredd

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Xbox 360 sold 24 million in Europe, 8 of those were from the UK. I think the Xbox One will do just fine in Europe. Sure, it will fail in Japan, but MS doesn't care about Japan.

That is more than I thought. For me, I can't care about European markets because I do not live there. I do care about Japanese markets since I enjoy many of the Japanese developer's games. One of the reasons to have a ps4 is for titles coming out of japan to me.
 

smackababy

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That is more than I thought. For me, I can't care about European markets because I do not live there. I do care about Japanese markets since I enjoy many of the Japanese developer's games. One of the reasons to have a ps4 is for titles coming out of japan to me.

Yeah, Japanese developers aren't really into the Xbox One for obvious reason. I think Ace Combat 6 was the only big Japanese game I can think of that sold well in Japan.
 
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Hell, PS3 global sales are above 360s, and PS3 was a year late and hugely overpriced. That means subtract US and UK and you have a distant 2nd or 3rd place for 360 in all other countries.

Well with that math, subtract the heavily-weighted Japan (PS3 outsold 360 what, 10-to-1 or more?) and the 360 is back in the lead worldwide.

Don't know why the sales argument keeps on in this thread. Different territories prefer different consoles, this won't change. Microsoft will/should adjust marketing in their weak spots (except Japan, don't know why they bother), Sony will/should do the same. I agree that it's likely we'll see the same patterns this next generation but it could change.
 

Arkaign

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Well with that math, subtract the heavily-weighted Japan (PS3 outsold 360 what, 10-to-1 or more?) and the 360 is back in the lead worldwide.

Don't know why the sales argument keeps on in this thread. Different territories prefer different consoles, this won't change. Microsoft will/should adjust marketing in their weak spots (except Japan, don't know why they bother), Sony will/should do the same. I agree that it's likely we'll see the same patterns this next generation but it could change.

True true. I don't see much changing in any direction. US should be closer to 50/50 I think, but otherwise we're looking at mostly status quo.
 

ImpulsE69

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So, I'm going to take a slightly different view.

Xbox 1 lost the console wars HARD, it was only viable because MS kept throwing money at it. The PS2 slaughtered it. It's not to say the Xbox was bad, but overall I would say Sony had a much greater following, and most of the Xbox games were so "westernized" they didn't really mesh with anyone outside the US.

PS3 was slated to slaughter the 360 except they royally screwed up their release with the crazy price tag and...what I would consider an upset with the Wii release. PS3's game catalog was also lacking for quite some time, however the Blu-Ray drive gave it more momentum than it should have had. I think though, that this generation saw more multi console homes than any previous generation which skews the "popularity" a bit. I would guess that many of those multi console homes, only 1 console was used to any great length. (Many say their PS3's collected dust for much of it's life). However, the only place the Xbox 360 "won" was in the US. This says alot about Sony's grasp on the world (through the love of the PS1,PS2). There wasn't really anything wrong with the PS3 except the lack of games (as compared to 360/Wii). Whether or not they were good is subjective.

I personally think the Xbox One could have cleaned the floor with Sony/Nintendo this generation had they not completely blundered E3. Even with the changes (and let's face it preorders are just that pre-orders...I don't know a history, but not everyone follows through on them) I think many were turned off the Xbox and that may not change right away. Obviously you have the people in the US who loved the 360 and will jump at the Xbox One regardless of any feature they offered, but that number is small in the world scheme of things. I think this generation will go back to more people having one or the other instead of both, but who knows, maybe people have that much money to burn to sit and collect dust.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 

smackababy

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With the nfl thing can you get Sunday ticket without being a direct TV subscriber?

For the PS3 implementation, no unless you were in Europe. There was an EU online only Sunday Ticket offered that wasn't available in the US. The more expensive Sunday Ticket pass ($300 vs the standard $200) came with online components (such as the PS3 viewing). A friend of mine ended up giving me $100 to get my username / pass and allow him to use his PS3 for Sunday Ticket. If he hadn't originally offered to give me the money, I would probably have let him use it for free because I had gotten Sunday Ticket free that year.

I am hoping if it is available on Xbox One, you can just pay the $300 and not have DirecTV, because I can't get it in my apartment.
 

smackababy

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So, I'm going to take a slightly different view.

Xbox 1 lost the console wars HARD, it was only viable because MS kept throwing money at it. The PS2 slaughtered it. It's not to say the Xbox was bad, but overall I would say Sony had a much greater following, and most of the Xbox games were so "westernized" they didn't really mesh with anyone outside the US.

PS3 was slated to slaughter the 360 except they royally screwed up their release with the crazy price tag and...what I would consider an upset with the Wii release. PS3's game catalog was also lacking for quite some time, however the Blu-Ray drive gave it more momentum than it should have had. I think though, that this generation saw more multi console homes than any previous generation which skews the "popularity" a bit. I would guess that many of those multi console homes, only 1 console was used to any great length. (Many say their PS3's collected dust for much of it's life). However, the only place the Xbox 360 "won" was in the US. This says alot about Sony's grasp on the world (through the love of the PS1,PS2). There wasn't really anything wrong with the PS3 except the lack of games (as compared to 360/Wii). Whether or not they were good is subjective.

I personally think the Xbox One could have cleaned the floor with Sony/Nintendo this generation had they not completely blundered E3. Even with the changes (and let's face it preorders are just that pre-orders...I don't know a history, but not everyone follows through on them) I think many were turned off the Xbox and that may not change right away. Obviously you have the people in the US who loved the 360 and will jump at the Xbox One regardless of any feature they offered, but that number is small in the world scheme of things. I think this generation will go back to more people having one or the other instead of both, but who knows, maybe people have that much money to burn to sit and collect dust.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
The US market was more than half of the 360's total sales. I don't think the market of US Xbox One buyers will be relatively small. The 360 sold almost double the PS3 in the US, which is MS's target market. I think they are trying to sell more than 44 million Xbox Ones in the US and hope to sell enough in the UK and the rest of Europe to compete with Sony. But, they know their biggest market is the US and they are doing everything they can to keep that market.

If they would get an exclusive Fifa World Cup deal, I can bet you they'd sell amazingly well in Europe and South America as well. Asia is pretty much dead the MS, because MS is pretty much dead to Asia.
 

beginner99

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It'll all be based on the excluaives i think. Heck Microsoft would probably sell a ton in Europe if they did soccer over there like they do the NFL here in the states.

I doubt that because the actual Live TV feature is crippled. You do need a setop box. All the XB1 does is take the HDMI inout and add it0s own GUI on top which supposedly does not really work that well (can't find the link anymore). I actually thought that this would be streamed over the Internet but it isn't. hence it add basically no value at all. You still need the STB and I see no reason why to plug it into the XB1? I can just use it standalone.
 

smackababy

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I doubt that because the actual Live TV feature is crippled. You do need a setop box. All the XB1 does is take the HDMI inout and add it0s own GUI on top which supposedly does not really work that well (can't find the link anymore). I actually thought that this would be streamed over the Internet but it isn't. hence it add basically no value at all. You still need the STB and I see no reason why to plug it into the XB1? I can just use it standalone.

MS is working with cable providers (at least in the US) to let their Xbox One act as a cable box, so you don't need a STB eventually. Also, true, you can just use your STB standalone, but then in order to swap, you have to completely swap inputs on your TV. I have had many TVs the past 10 years and swapping inputs isn't getting any fast. In fact, I'd say it is getting slower. The Xbox One will enable you to use a single input and have an HDMI passthrough for the STB, DVR, whatever really. They also have shown some picture in picture type of stuff, where you could possibly be watching something (like a sports game) while playing Xbox. Or Skyping while watching Game of Thrones with your buddies, etc.

Also, the claim that the GUI doesn't work really well is rather silly, because nobody has actually used the finalized version of the Xbox One. So, how well the GUI works, nobody but MS knows.
 

BladeVenom

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Asia is pretty much dead the MS, because MS is pretty much dead to Asia.

That only applies to Japan. Korean and Chinese consumers are more favorably inclined towards the US than they are Japan. The only thing is that they both favor the PC over consoles.
 

cmdrdredd

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I doubt that because the actual Live TV feature is crippled. You do need a setop box. All the XB1 does is take the HDMI inout and add it0s own GUI on top which supposedly does not really work that well (can't find the link anymore). I actually thought that this would be streamed over the Internet but it isn't. hence it add basically no value at all. You still need the STB and I see no reason why to plug it into the XB1? I can just use it standalone.

IPTV begs to differ. I'm not really a fan of IPTV but it allows you to watch TV via the ethernet port on your XBox 360 now. No cable box required
 
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MS is working with cable providers (at least in the US) to let their Xbox One act as a cable box, so you don't need a STB eventually. Also, true, you can just use your STB standalone, but then in order to swap, you have to completely swap inputs on your TV. I have had many TVs the past 10 years and swapping inputs isn't getting any fast. In fact, I'd say it is getting slower. The Xbox One will enable you to use a single input and have an HDMI passthrough for the STB, DVR, whatever really. They also have shown some picture in picture type of stuff, where you could possibly be watching something (like a sports game) while playing Xbox. Or Skyping while watching Game of Thrones with your buddies, etc.

I think the biggest thing they're going for is the input pass-through, so you can switch between game and TV in an instant. Using the actual guide is a "plus" if it works.
 

chimaxi83

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Uverse let's you use a 360 as a standalone STB, nothing extra required, so I'm sure XB1 won't be any different.
 

cmdrdredd

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Uverse let's you use a 360 as a standalone STB, nothing extra required, so I'm sure XB1 won't be any different.

How does that work anyway? Does it stream the whole thing through your internet connection? How is that possible? Do you need a special app on XBL to do it?

Uverse is not popular around me because ATT has old lines and comcast recently did an upgrade. As a result nobody I know with a 360 has uverse.
 

smackababy

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Uverse is really crappy in my area and has a data cap of 250gb per month. They just installed new lines, but the speed is still a lot slower than what I'm currently getting (which is a lot slower than when I lived in a different, less civilized area and had Charter).
 

Drako

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Uverse let's you use a 360 as a standalone STB, nothing extra required, so I'm sure XB1 won't be any different.

That's not true. You need a Uverse receiver or DVR as the server, similar to DirecTV and the RVU concept.
 

cmdrdredd

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I love having no cap

Caps are for n00bs



You do know you're being unfair since it's not up to us? I mean we live in a specific area due to job etc and don't get to choose FiOS or something. Besides, I barely crack 100GB for a month and I stream movies and download games on steam often, so it doesn't really bug me.
 

AMDZen

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Tongue and cheek? Heard of it?

Why so serious?

Obviously I was taking an opportunity to brag about my lack of cap and overall awesomeness
 

Durvelle27

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Uverse is really crappy in my area and has a data cap of 250gb per month. They just installed new lines, but the speed is still a lot slower than what I'm currently getting (which is a lot slower than when I lived in a different, less civilized area and had Charter).

This is one reason why I ditched UVerse and got Xfinity.
 

chimaxi83

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That's not true. You need a Uverse receiver or DVR as the server, similar to DirecTV and the RVU concept.

Um. You obviously need service, which means you have a DVR, which every Uverse customer gets. Those were a given. You do not need another STB to feed the 360 is what I mean. If it's enabled on your account, plug it into the gateway, and it is now an STB.
How does that work anyway? Does it stream the whole thing through your internet connection? How is that possible? Do you need a special app on XBL to do it?

Uverse is not popular around me because ATT has old lines and comcast recently did an upgrade. As a result nobody I know with a 360 has uverse.

Same here in Chicago with the old lines. Uverse has fiber lines feeding the neighborhood nodes, so signal is phenomenal up to that point. At the node it transitions to the old copper that's been in service since who knows when. Uverse is IPTV which I'm sure you know, so it all streams. The actual TV streaming portion has nothing to do with your data cap, regardless if it's regular TV, movie rentals, on demand, etc.
 
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Aikouka

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I think the biggest thing they're going for is the input pass-through, so you can switch between game and TV in an instant. Using the actual guide is a "plus" if it works.

Just to note, you can use the HDMI input for anything. I'll probably try use it for my XBOX 360 first to see if I like that. It's not like I can't just hook both to my AVR, but it might be more interesting having the sidebar stuff. Since I don't think the X1 can control WMC, it won't be useful running my HTPC through the X1.
 

ImpulsE69

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Just to note, you can use the HDMI input for anything. I'll probably try use it for my XBOX 360 first to see if I like that. It's not like I can't just hook both to my AVR, but it might be more interesting having the sidebar stuff. Since I don't think the X1 can control WMC, it won't be useful running my HTPC through the X1.

Probably won't be very practical because you'll be introducing additional lag I would imagine.
 
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