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Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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question:

if you never plan on using a X1 to play games and only want it to do the TV, Blu ray and media stuff does it still need to connect to the internet every 24 hours?

The 24-hour check is used to essentially verify that DRM-enabled content on your system is still rightfully yours. So, if the content requires DRM to use it, then yes, you will need to have Internet to use it. So, you should be able to play Blu-Ray movies and TV. The latter is just a guess on my part, because just like Microsoft's Windows Media Center, the X1 should download two weeks worth of the electronic programming guide (EPG) at once.

also clayfighter was awesome

I'd be really curious to see what a developer would do to try to modernize Clayfighter. The original just used claymation-based sprites, but you could probably do some rather interesting things in 3D.
 

exdeath

Lifer
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Dead Rising 3 is more 'mature, sophisticated'

As Jim reported, Dead Rising 3 is being aimed to appeal to Call of Duty fans.

Cool. Any MINOR concerns I had about missing that title because I will not have a Xbone were just completely obliterated.

I thought Capcom said they learned their lesson with Resident Evil 5/6 ?
 
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smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but if you buy a year Xbox One subscription, they were throwing in a special KI character. They didn't announce if it was exclusive to that deal or not, but they also didn't release what the character was anyway.
 

exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
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Oh joy! They might as well be giving out cracker jacks toys.

Give us all ur munny and you get a sticker!
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but if you buy a year Xbox One subscription, they were throwing in a special KI character. They didn't announce if it was exclusive to that deal or not, but they also didn't release what the character was anyway.

it was like a special jago costume or something stupid like that, not a full character.
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
Feb 5, 2001
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Oh joy! They might as well be giving out cracker jacks toys.

Give us all ur munny and you get a sticker!

Cracker Jack doesn't come with toys anymore. Just shitty jokes and little info snippets about famous people stuff. I know because I buy a 3 pack of them every week
 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
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MSFT can afford to take a loss on this POS because the NSA bank-rolled this ultimate spy machine...putting a camera and "always on" connection in your living room.

They thought they could get away with it along with their "privacy" ad campaign until they got called out on it.

Fuck them. Boycott this POS!
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1g8t5e/lets_clear_up_the_issues_used_games_kinect/

Not sure if this has been linked, but it has a lot of actual information and MS quotes along with some commentary. Maybe it will clear up some issues, maybe it will just keep the haters hating and I'll get called Steve Balmer or something.

what they really need to do is not make games mandatory to install, but if you do install them, then it requires the disc to either be in the drive, or do an online verification of some sort.

how they fucked up this simple option is beyond me.
 

exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
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Cracker Jack doesn't come with toys anymore. Just shitty jokes and little info snippets about famous people stuff. I know because I buy a 3 pack of them every week

That's still as good as what constitutes digital "bonus content" these days.

Give me a Kingdom Hearts artbook and soundtrack over some retarded avatar skin or something worth $0 any day.

Its like really? You'll allow me the privilege of changing my background wallpaper? This is my added value bonus? Go to hell.
 
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ImpulsE69

Lifer
Jan 8, 2010
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http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1g8t5e/lets_clear_up_the_issues_used_games_kinect/

Not sure if this has been linked, but it has a lot of actual information and MS quotes along with some commentary. Maybe it will clear up some issues, maybe it will just keep the haters hating and I'll get called Steve Balmer or something.

I read it, and well most of it is "his impressions". I'm sorry, but if MS didn't want people making their own conclusions, maybe they should have just come out with the actual details rather than trying to do fancy market speak about it. I really find it amusing people are trying to defend them. I mean, sure if you want the games bad enough to put up with all the other crap, so be it. Let's just stop trying to make it less of an issue than it is.

They did this to themselves, and no one is going to feel sorry for them.

While maybe nothing is at bad at it seems at the end of the day it's about freedom of choice. They decided the user didn't need those choices. They also made things way more complicated than they needed to be. Everywhere you turn there's a hoop to jump through just a play a game. These are consoles, not PC's there should be no hoops. So the users choose not to buy their product. Pretty straight forward. Piss on your customers? Good luck to you. This isn't something that people only have one option to buy. EDIT: Xbone isn't the only game in town. (bwahaha see what I did there?)

They have a chance to make this better, so let's see what they do with the opportunity. So far, I'm seeing just a bunch of corporate suits that have lost their way. People have good reason to be wary of them.
 
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American Gunner

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Good article from a member of the military:

Xbox One from a service member's perspective
I can't read it at work, but is this the article where the guy is saying that MS stabbed him in the back? Because I saw a thread in a facebook group of military people last night, and they were tearing this guy apart. They said that they almost always have internet, and when they don't it's for a reason and the internet is the least of their concerns.
 
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I feel like it's a good time to weigh in with my thoughts since I've had time to process everything since the initial reveal and E3. I'll say up front that I dislike all the hate on Microsoft, most of it seems to be baseless bullshit hate because it's popular to do so. Microsoft has handled consumer response poorly, no doubt, but when I look past all of that, I see some good ideas with their new console.

The obvious popular thing to hate on is the DRM that requires a check every 24 hours. I know this is the focus but for me, it's really a necessary means to an end, that end being having your gaming collection "in the cloud" and playable from anywhere, with no need for a disc, ever. Microsoft simply can't do this without the DRM check, otherwise it would be extremely easy to pirate games. The main idea here is not needing the disc, as that is typically your "key" to play the game. Microsoft is essentially wanting to get rid of the disc, which is the way ALL media is going. I'm sure some will compare this to the music industry, which has been in the process of shunning discs for years now and is mostly DRM-free at this point. I feel the price differences in the media doesn't make this a fair comparison, though.

I like a future with no discs and my games installed on the hard drive. Microsoft essentially has to implement DRM to give this kind of functionality because of the financial risks is too high. Games cost a lost of money to make and I understand the need to mitigate risk of financial loss. I know that sounds like some kind of justification but it really is necessary. You either require the disc like 360/PS3/PS4 or require some other form of saying "hey, I own this game", hence the DRM check.

Sure, this requires broadband online access, which will not be a problem for a lot of people. For those without that access, I don't see a need for you to get mad, it's just that this product is not intended for you. Whether or not this hurts Microsoft will remain to be seen but you aren't entitled to use this console. Luckily, there are alternative options but this is no reason to hate on the X1, IMO.

As for the Kinect, I understand their want to include it in every package. In a way, this is a good thing, as anybody who has a X1 will also have a Kinect. I like to think this will foster innovation, similar to how the DS did with two screens. Imagine if Nintendo released a handheld and then sold a second-screen add-on. The adoption rate would be much smaller, games making innovating use of it would be few and far between.

Including a Kinect with every X1 console makes me think of the 360 launch when Microsoft had a base model that didn't include a hard drive. It couldn't be taken full advantage of because developers had to consider that some users just didn't have it. Same with Kinect. They know it's there now and can make full use of it. Kinect is definitely a love it or hate it thing, so I don't blame anybody for not wanting anything to do with it. I just hope we'll see some innovative uses now that it's standard equipment.

It's easy to see it added $100 to the console though, otherwise I think the X1 would've came in at $399 as well. Microsoft is taking a big gamble and I'm not about to guess whether it will pay off or not. I don't, however, feel that their $499 price is as big of a deal as the PS3's $499/$599 from 7 years ago.

The other thing with the Kinect is people's privacy fears. This just doesn't worry me at all. If Microsoft was going to be recording sounds and/or video, it would have to be in the TOS somewhere. We would have to allow it. I just don't feel like this is something that Microsoft could keep secret. This whole NSA thing was horrible timing for Microsoft.

At this point, I've been typing off and on this post all morning at work, I think I'll just leave it be for now. I still have other thoughts, but I'm sure I'll get reamed for what's here already.
 

American Gunner

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Good post blurredvision. I am right there with you on most of your points. I'm sure you'll get killed for it, because MS wants to break into our houses and rape our families and what not, but still a good post.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I feel like it's a good time to weigh in with my thoughts since I've had time to process everything since the initial reveal and E3. I'll say up front that I dislike all the hate on Microsoft, most of it seems to be baseless bullshit hate because it's popular to do so. Microsoft has handled consumer response poorly, no doubt, but when I look past all of that, I see some good ideas with their new console.

The obvious popular thing to hate on is the DRM that requires a check every 24 hours. I know this is the focus but for me, it's really a necessary means to an end, that end being having your gaming collection "in the cloud" and playable from anywhere, with no need for a disc, ever. Microsoft simply can't do this without the DRM check, otherwise it would be extremely easy to pirate games. The main idea here is not needing the disc, as that is typically your "key" to play the game. Microsoft is essentially wanting to get rid of the disc, which is the way ALL media is going. I'm sure some will compare this to the music industry, which has been in the process of shunning discs for years now and is mostly DRM-free at this point. I feel the price differences in the media doesn't make this a fair comparison, though.

I like a future with no discs and my games installed on the hard drive. Microsoft essentially has to implement DRM to give this kind of functionality because of the financial risks is too high. Games cost a lost of money to make and I understand the need to mitigate risk of financial loss. I know that sounds like some kind of justification but it really is necessary. You either require the disc like 360/PS3/PS4 or require some other form of saying "hey, I own this game", hence the DRM check.


Sure, this requires broadband online access, which will not be a problem for a lot of people. For those without that access, I don't see a need for you to get mad, it's just that this product is not intended for you. Whether or not this hurts Microsoft will remain to be seen but you aren't entitled to use this console. Luckily, there are alternative options but this is no reason to hate on the X1, IMO.

As for the Kinect, I understand their want to include it in every package. In a way, this is a good thing, as anybody who has a X1 will also have a Kinect. I like to think this will foster innovation, similar to how the DS did with two screens. Imagine if Nintendo released a handheld and then sold a second-screen add-on. The adoption rate would be much smaller, games making innovating use of it would be few and far between.

Including a Kinect with every X1 console makes me think of the 360 launch when Microsoft had a base model that didn't include a hard drive. It couldn't be taken full advantage of because developers had to consider that some users just didn't have it. Same with Kinect. They know it's there now and can make full use of it. Kinect is definitely a love it or hate it thing, so I don't blame anybody for not wanting anything to do with it. I just hope we'll see some innovative uses now that it's standard equipment.

It's easy to see it added $100 to the console though, otherwise I think the X1 would've came in at $399 as well. Microsoft is taking a big gamble and I'm not about to guess whether it will pay off or not. I don't, however, feel that their $499 price is as big of a deal as the PS3's $499/$599 from 7 years ago.

The other thing with the Kinect is people's privacy fears. This just doesn't worry me at all. If Microsoft was going to be recording sounds and/or video, it would have to be in the TOS somewhere. We would have to allow it. I just don't feel like this is something that Microsoft could keep secret. This whole NSA thing was horrible timing for Microsoft.

At this point, I've been typing off and on this post all morning at work, I think I'll just leave it be for now. I still have other thoughts, but I'm sure I'll get reamed for what's here already.

the thing about the drm check though, is they could have done this exactly like they are currently implementing it with games that can both be purchased in store on a physical disc, as well as on the marketplaces (on psn and xbl).

if you get a digital copy, it's locked to your account.

it you have a physical copy, and you want to install it, install it and it simply checks for the disc in the drive or something (like it does now on xbox360) before you play the game, not phone home every 24 hours.

if you have a physical copy, and you want to install it and NOT have to have the disc in, then they can have a key that ships with it, similar to the online-passes. that way it can only be validated once and installed once.

BUT ... and i do know this is a huge caveat and why they didn't do this, it means if you did install it you could sell the disc or give it to someone. basically you could get 2 copies for the price of one.

me personally, i just wish they kept it how it currently is on ps3/360 - you can buy the disc if you want and if you have the disc version, you can install it but need to have the disc in the drive to play.

then they simply make EVERY game downloadable, and if you want to go that route and download it, then you can, and it's tied to your account and can never be sold or anything, just like it is now.
 

ImpulsE69

Lifer
Jan 8, 2010
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The other thing with the Kinect is people's privacy fears. This just doesn't worry me at all. If Microsoft was going to be recording sounds and/or video, it would have to be in the TOS somewhere. We would have to allow it. I just don't feel like this is something that Microsoft could keep secret. This whole NSA thing was horrible timing for Microsoft.

Yes the timing was bad. However, MS has painted a target on themselves with hackers. You can bet people will be trying to hack this console day one. Once that happens, who knows how a Kinect could be used and you have no option to disconnect it.

As for any conspiracy, no one knows. Let's be real though, in this day and age the government does what it wants and worries about "warrants" later. There is NO reason they could not force MS (although I use force loosely since MS is freely giving them data) to monitor an IP address by any means necessary. Until someone looks at the code for any type of backdoor triggers, we don't know. I sure know that if I was in the government and had surveillance on someone and knew millions of people already had cameras with a mandatory internet connection that we could control at our disposal because they had an Xbox One, I'd be hitting MS up to see how I could use it to spy. Sure saves having to sneak in and plant bugs.

I do think MS will use data gathered from the Kinect and yes it will be buried in a TOS somewhere, but you can guarantee you have no choice but to accept it because you HAVE to have it to even use the system you just purchased. Pretty typical stuff there. Nothing new. The not so new part is how they want to use it in the future, which if you've searched around there are lots of links about MS and their patents that are not consumer friendly at all.
 
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exdeath

Lifer
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My biggest issue is the devaluing of my purchases. Resell value needs to be retained with digital only media. Some of us are materialistic and require that the object we buy have an intrinsic real tangible free market value and freedom with it.

Always on DRM checks and Kinectfail is the least of my worries. Its not the DRM preventing pirating that concerns me, its the DRM devaluing consumers legit product purchases, compounded further bycontinuing to charge the same price for digital media vs a physical media you can fully own. The desire of the industry to move to a licence lease pay per view model and tramping on consumer ownership and property rights is disturbing. No other non IP industry can do this,and none have ever tried. This is greed and control pure and simple.

Should the computer in my car brick itself and make the car worth $0 when I want to trade/sell it? Some people have game collections worth more than a cheap car, what happens to them in the new greed model?

For $59 a game, give me something I own. Want a throw away disposable entertainment model? Then give me $9 games like movie tickets and or allow the console/account/game collection be transferable.

That's the number one issue for me. DRM for piracy, ok. DRM to make sure I can't own anything I paid for? FUCK. YOU.

The best test of whether you truly own something is whether or not you can sell it.
 
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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Yes the timing was bad. However, MS has painted a target on themselves with hackers. You can bet people will be trying to hack this console day one. Once that happens, who knows how a Kinect could be used and you have no option to disconnect it.

haha i was talking to my buddy about this, how i hope that the x1 gets hacked like day 1 so that ms then realizes how stupid it was to force this drm down our throats. it would be hilarious if come a week after launch people have hacked consoles playing games offline no problem. it would force ms' hand to change their policy.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
53,507
6,349
126
My biggest issue is the devaluing of my purchases. Resell value needs to be retained with digital only media. Some of us are materialistic and require that the object we buy have an intrinsic real tangible free market value and freedom with it.

Always on DRM checks and Kinectfail is the least of my worries. Its not the DRM preventing pirating that concerns me, its the DRM devaluing consumers legit product purchases, compounded further bycontinuing to charge the same price for digital media vs a physical media you can fully own. The desire of the industry to move to a licence lease pay per view model and tramping on consumer ownership and property rights is disturbing.

Should the computer in my car brick itself and make the car worth $0 when I want to trade/sell it? Some people have game collections worth more than a cheap car, what happens to them in the new greed model?

it is almost like ms did not realize that quite a few people were willing to spend $60 on a game because they realize they can sell it later for $20 or $30. the used market dictates what the new value is to a lot of people, and it's just like ms simply did not get this concept.
 

sze5003

Lifer
Aug 18, 2012
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I'm waiting for someone to hack into the camera and record pics and stuff like you can already do through a browser via a flash loophole.
 
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