The Official Xbox One Thread

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ImpulsE69

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on Sony for users downloading games, it will be diskless. For users who bought the disk, it will copy the game to the HD, but use a disk check when you pay the game (swapping disks will be needed).
 

smackababy

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If Sony hasn't confirmed it then why have they already confirmed the entire PS4 library will be downloadable from PSN so that you don't have to go buy a disc at all? What is the difference?

I can just as easily go onto a console and copy a game I downloaded on PSN and give it to a friend as I could hand him a disc that was written by Sony versus written on my burner. Oh but wait, they have ways to stop you from doing that unless you jailbreak.

PS4 will have discless play because I don't ever even need to go buy a disc. I don't have to buy a disc on my PS3 today - this isn't new. I can buy a PS3 game on PSN and never get off my couch. Things haven't changed and yet MS acts like this is brand new discless technology. And its the same on the 360 too. WOOOOOOO

And if it requires a license, why not just go that route? Its been said before, have a license system like games on the PC rather than draconian laws of connected 24/7

Blah

You really aren't very bright are you? Yes, you can buy content from DD services and not use a disc. However, you cannot buy a PS4 disc, install it to the HDD, and play without the disc in the console. MS allows this. The trade off is it functions like a PC game and you get a license. The content delivery is EITHER download or disc based. MS has already stated all games will be available both DD and on discs. That helps people with data caps. You can also buy a disc, and download the game at a later date. Identically to how Steam functions.

The online requirement is to ensure you don't go around installing it to every Xbox in your city and they just never have to go online again to keep the game. Go try and activate your PC games on multiple PCs. Good luck! And even if you manage to do it, try and play them both at the same time. You can't be logged into Steam on multiple PCs at the same time.
 

AMDZen

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I can't wait to see hackers hack the shit out of the xbone1. Hackers have so much ammo now "OH I can't do it huh, watch me". Pirating will be at an all time high on the xbone because MS went out of their way to try and make it not happen.
 

AMDZen

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You really aren't very bright are you? Yes, you can buy content from DD services and not use a disc. However, you cannot buy a PS4 disc, install it to the HDD, and play without the disc in the console. MS allows this. The trade off is it functions like a PC game and you get a license. The content delivery is EITHER download or disc based. MS has already stated all games will be available both DD and on discs. That helps people with data caps. You can also buy a disc, and download the game at a later date. Identically to how Steam functions.

The online requirement is to ensure you don't go around installing it to every Xbox in your city and they just never have to go online again to keep the game. Go try and activate your PC games on multiple PCs. Good luck! And even if you manage to do it, try and play them both at the same time. You can't be logged into Steam on multiple PCs at the same time.

Identical to how steam functions? Steam has an offline mode. If xbone wanted to implement just what you are talking about - they could have done it through license codes. They have gone the step further to make sure it connects 24/7 to make sure you aren't cracking games, JTAG'ing hardware, etc.

If it wasn't a big deal, the entire internet wouldn't be up in arms about it. People wouldn't be on polls saying they'll get the PS4 at a 10:1 ratio.

What is to stop me from installing a copy of a PC game on every computer in the city - oh a ONE TIME CHECK OF THE CODE. Wow, what a crazy idea that would be.

Xbone will be hacked in record time and games will be free flowing on the internet.
 

dagamer34

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It costs zero dollars to vote in an internet poll. And if you had polled someone in 2006 about the Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii, I doubt the Wii would have won.

You should not attach any significant value to a poll that doesn't randomize its participants. Statistics 101.
 

AMDZen

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Wouldn't this cause their sales to spike?

Of the console, clearly - not of the games though, obviously.

This whole thing is to stop pirates. Any other spin people are trying to put on it is just fanboi spin. "OH its so it can be discless as gamers wanted" Bullshit, that could have been implemented another way, just like steam - as the child smacker seems to think steam functions. It doesn't check in every 24 hours, in case you have no actual real world experience with steam.

That has already given hackers a huge challenge. One which they will meet head on. Check the normal Xbox hacking sites and see how many people who have done development work on the xbox scene and you will see what I am talking about.

Not that they wouldn't have done it any way, its just that MS has gone so far - they've alienated consumers who would have never hacked the console by trying to make it harder to hack, which will just push the hackers to try and get it done faster.
 

AMDZen

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The irony is that in order to take advantage of those "free" games, they'd have to by the console and have Kinect. Lolz.

Not if the hack includes a method to disable kinect entirely.

You can sell it to people who will inevitably have to replace their broken one to make up for some of the cost of the console.

And the free games will make up for the console cost in no time
 

dagamer34

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Not if the hack includes a method to disable kinect entirely.

You can sell it to people who will inevitably have to replace their broken one to make up for some of the cost of the console.

And the free games will make up for the console cost in no time

What I also don't get is that a console that allows for free games means you aren't buying games on the other system either.

Sony has negative motivation to see the Xbox One get hacked because they collect a platform royalty for every game sold. It's the only reason why consoles are as cheap as they are.

 

AMDZen

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You act like this has never happened with a console before, like the X1 will suddenly open the gaming piracy floodgates...

Yes, this sentence/statement clearly implies it wouldn't have happened any way

Not that they wouldn't have done it any way, its just that MS has gone so far - they've alienated consumers who would have never hacked the console by trying to make it harder to hack, which will just push the hackers to try and get it done faster.
 

smackababy

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Of the console, clearly - not of the games though, obviously.

This whole thing is to stop pirates. Any other spin people are trying to put on it is just fanboi spin. "OH its so it can be discless as gamers wanted" Bullshit, that could have been implemented another way, just like steam - as the child smacker seems to think steam functions. It doesn't check in every 24 hours, in case you have no actual real world experience with steam.

That has already given hackers a huge challenge. One which they will meet head on. Check the normal Xbox hacking sites and see how many people who have done development work on the xbox scene and you will see what I am talking about.

Not that they wouldn't have done it any way, its just that MS has gone so far - they've alienated consumers who would have never hacked the console by trying to make it harder to hack, which will just push the hackers to try and get it done faster.

Steam does not check every 24 hours, but it does require a check. Also, you cannot go into offline mode without first activating online mode.

Now, go ahead and pretend MS will fail and close their doors. I love the internet and how easy it is to pretend to take a stance on something. I can't wait for all these 15:1 PS4 polls to show just how great the internet really is when the PS4 and the Xbox One sell close to the same number of units.
 

purbeast0

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interesting read, if true...

http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions

especially the 4th and 5th point under the 3/4 section.

>Current plan is basically you're fucked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

>If the power goes out you ain't playing shit. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fucked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfuck

additoionally, the news about kinect 2 HAVING to be plugged in for the console to post, as well as it being able to be fully turned OFF and is required for certain countries...

>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.
 
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Dari

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One other thing I've been curious about. It seems after research has been done asking MS if the xbox logo was the power button, xbox support responded that to turn your Xbox on, you have to do so with the command "xbox on". There is no physical power button

Then the question was asked, "If someone on Xbox Live party chat says "Xbox Off" will all of their Xboxes turn off?" Someone asked, and got an answer.



So if you turn off the voice commands, would you have to turn them on again before you can turn your xbox off? And if you don't, and you perhaps turn your console off using your controller, presumably you'll be able to as you do today on 360 and PS3. Will you be able to turn your console on again? Since the only way to turn it on is via the "Xbox on" command? Because you turned voice commands off. If you turned them off via options and there was a power surge or something, would you ever be able to turn it on again? Questions.

Or can you turn it on via the controller like you can today with PS3 and 360, and if that is true - why didn't xbox support staff say you could do this as well as use the voice command, instead of insinuating that the only way to turn it on is via the voice command?

Questions.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3uudlc/

If you contact the NSA they will turn it back on for you.
 

BladeVenom

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Now, go ahead and pretend MS will fail and close their doors. I love the internet and how easy it is to pretend to take a stance on something. I can't wait for all these 15:1 PS4 polls to show just how great the internet really is when the PS4 and the Xbox One sell close to the same number of units.

Everyone with a brain knows they won't keep their servers online forever. When they decide it's no longer profitable, or they want to change directions they will shut them down.

MSN Music store servers have been shutdown.

MS Gaming Zone servers have been shutdown.

XBox One gaming servers will be shutdown, it's just a matter of when.

You are usually wrong, and you'll be wrong again.

 
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smackababy

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Everyone with a brain knows they won't keep their servers online forever. When they decide it's no longer profitable, or they want to change directions they will shut them down.

MSN Music store servers have been shutdown.

MS Gaming Zone servers have been shutdown.

XBox One gaming servers will be shutdown, it's just a matter of when.

You are usually wrong, and you'll be wrong again.


They said the same thing about Steam. That was almost 10 years ago. Still working. I highly doubt MS will shut down the Azure servers, unless the cloud computing buzzword dies down, which it won't.
 

AMDZen

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Microsoft Shutting Down Halo 2 PC Multiplayer Servers http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Wi...-Servers-Achievements-Jessica-Shea,20564.html

They lasted less than 6 years.

How about Kin? They discontinued it after 48 days, and the Kin Studio servers were shutdown after a year.

Halo 2 launched for Windows Vista on May 31, 2007 nearly two-and-a-half years after it launched on the original Xbox console. It was exclusive to Vista in order to boost the platform's sales, but Windows XP gamers were able to bypass that limitation by using a third-party crack.

Cracked you say? Shocking
 
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Halo 2 launched for Windows Vista on May 31, 2007 nearly two-and-a-half years after it launched on the original Xbox console. It was exclusive to Vista in order to boost the platform's sales, but Windows XP gamers were able to bypass that limitation by using a third-party crack.

Cracked you say? Shocking

Why do you keep harping on games/consoles being cracked? What does that have to do with anything. It doesn't matter what Microsoft did with the console, it would be cracked. The PS4 will be cracked, too, it's no different.
 
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