The Official Xbox One Thread

[BoberFett]

Steam servers.. oh no. Apple itunes servers... oh no. I know it sucks going to cloud services for games but, it is going to happen.. with Sony too. Developers and publishers have had enough of piracy / one week sales window for their games.. Sad but, its going to happen eventually.

Then fuck them. I hope they all go out of business. They're more concerned about a few pirates than their paying customers.

 

[BoberFett]

They said the same thing about Steam. That was almost 10 years ago. Still working. I highly doubt MS will shut down the Azure servers, unless the cloud computing buzzword dies down, which it won't.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sick of hearing you parrot the word Azure as if you have a damn clue.

It's a platform. Nothing more.

 

[Pheran]

Apple itunes servers... oh no.

Not sure what crack you're on here, iTunes music is DRM free. All of Apple could crash and burn and I'd still have all my music.

 

[jrphoenix]

Not sure what crack you're on here, iTunes music is DRM free. All of Apple could crash and burn and I'd still have all my music.

It only became drm free after itunes had been out for about 6 years. Basically, all digital media (e-books, music, xbox one, psn games, steam, etc...) we are buying a license. I still buy physical books and game discs. I also have steam, itunes, some live games... In our digital future, we are going through this bumpy transition. If my iphone dies tomorrow I need to trust that apple will still have its servers active for me to re-download my music from icloud. This is eventually the way games are going. Music files are so small that unfortunately teenagers and tragically some adults pirate... the music inudstry has forever changed due to pirates. The games industry is slowly being changed no matter how much we dislike it. It is being changed because costs are going up, developers and publishers are not doing too well financially, and this is attributable to second hand sales and pirates. I don't like it but, I understand.

Oh yes, forgot to add. itunes is only DRM free for music / music videos not movies, tv, books.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Let's cut the pirate BS. This has NOTHING to do with piracy and everything to do with getting rid of used sales and direct pointed user marketing.

Let me ask you this, if PC pirating was causing so many issues with companies, why would you take a system (console) that is harder for the average person to pirate on and make it essentially a PC, the same platform you've been crying about piracy for years? Because piracy numbers and losses are a RUSE. You can bet that if these things are remotely as similar to a PC as they are boasting these things will be the easiest thing to crack and pirate yet.

 

[exdeath]

No second hand sales = more pirating.

I will not pay $60 for something I cannot sell, simply for the fact that not being able to sell it means I don't own it.

 

[jrphoenix]

Let's cut the pirate BS. This has NOTHING to do with piracy and everything to do with getting rid of used sales and direct pointed user marketing.

Let me ask you this, if PC pirating was causing so many issues with companies, why would you take a system (console) that is harder for the average person to pirate on and make it essentially a PC, the same platform you've been crying about piracy for years? Because piracy numbers and losses are a RUSE. You can bet that if these things are remotely as similar to a PC as they are boasting these things will be the easiest thing to crack and pirate yet.

I agree it is more about second hand sales. MS is smart enough to not ban second hand sales.. they simply implemented the system (and PS for sure can too)... that gives the publisher / developer the CHOICE to have an electronic activation code.

PC pirating is causing huge issues. Hell, PC releases are coming out months / years after console release. If it weren't for Steam DRM sales / Origin / etc... I don't think you would have PC gaming at all other than indy / free to play / MMO.

On consoles I don't think priacy is huge but, a second hand sale has the same effect to the publisher / developer as a pirated PC game. I'm not saying I agree with that because I think gamestop does have value in the local communities (hiring people).. and 2nd hand does allow people to play more games. I just think we are getting ready to see this come to an end in the near future. Similar to you not being able to "trade in" your steam game you finished. I just pray to God that prices come down as a result but, I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[smackababy]

No second hand sales = more pirating.

I will not pay $60 for something I cannot sell, simply for the fact that not being able to sell it means I don't own it.

So, you owe zero PC software then? I guess you're also using Linux right?

 

[jrphoenix]

No second hand sales = more pirating.

I will not pay $60 for something I cannot sell, simply for the fact that not being able to sell it means I don't own it.

I somewhat agree... I too don't pay $60 for games. Heck, I'm playing the witcher 2 now on my 360 because I waited for a big sale. You are book reader and some people are kindle / nook readers.. The real question is, will the kindle / nook system (xbox one)... be cheaper than the "book system". I have my doubts, if not I see MS and Sony pulling back until the publisher kick and scream and they both move to a digital only download in lock step in a couple years. It's happening, we just don't know when yet.

 

[exdeath]

So, you owe zero PC software then? I guess you're also using Linux right?

I haven't gamed on PC since the Bioshock DRM fiasco.

In fact Bioshock and DRM on PC in general was the last straw that finally pushed me away from PC gaming and accepted PS3/360 as "close enough" (esp since everything is developed lowest common denominator multi platform anyway). DRM is the reason I played Bioshock and Borderlands and Fallout 3 and numerous other "PC games" on my consoles. I own the discs, they work in any system, for now, and forever.

I can pick a 360 disc up at a yard sale 20 years from now when it's "retro" and still play it.

Now I'm being shoved into PS4/Wii U/DS.

When there is nothing left for me, I'll restort to pirating and cracking like most everyone else will.

Unless they can execute it as well as Steam/iTunes and be less tight assed about it and show they respect consumers property rights to have ownership of things they purchase, count me out. Even then right this second I don't like Steam in that you can have thousands of dollars of games invested that you cant do anything with when you decide to "quit" other than going against TOS and selling the whole account.

As long as digital distribution schemes refuse to acknowledge consumer property rights and physical value, and act like a bank account that you dump money into but the balance never changes from $0, I will not embrace it.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I agree it is more about second hand sales. MS is smart enough to not ban second hand sales.. they simply implemented the system (and PS for sure can too)... that gives the publisher / developer the CHOICE to have an electronic activation code.

PC pirating is causing huge issues. Hell, PC releases are coming out months / years after console release. If it weren't for Steam DRM sales / Origin / etc... I don't think you would have PC gaming at all other than indy / free to play / MMO.

On consoles I don't think priacy is huge but, a second hand sale has the same effect to the publisher / developer as a pirated PC game. I'm not saying I agree with that because I think gamestop does have value in the local communities (hiring people).. and 2nd hand does allow people to play more games. I just think we are getting ready to see this come to an end in the near future. Similar to you not being able to "trade in" your steam game you finished. I just pray to God that prices come down as a result but, I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.

So we've come full circle then. Used sales = Piracy. I mean, that's what everyone really wants to say right? You are stealing from me because you didn't buy it direct! It's that same conversation we've had many times. See why people say it's all BS? It's not the customers fault it costs companies millions of more dollars for what are in many cases inferior games to ones that cost a fraction of that. It all comes down to greed. They want the best of all worlds with none of the "downsides" that every other market in the world has. I don't deny they will succeed because people are blind to the future and only care about whats in front of them right now. They want more profit? Learn to not bleed and waste so much money. Companies are stupid bad about that these days.

 

[Pheran]

If my iphone dies tomorrow I need to trust that apple will still have its servers active for me to re-download my music from icloud.

Then you are doing it wrong, because my entire iTunes library is on a RAID volume on my computer and is backed up. As I said, Apple could crash and burn and I'd still have everything.

 

[jrphoenix]

Then you are doing it wrong, because my entire iTunes library is on a RAID volume on my computer and is backed up. As I said, Apple could crash and burn and I'd still have everything.

Congrats.. that does nothing for itunes movie / tv / ebooks that are drm protected. I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree. I still buy hard copy books and I always buy discs for my games. However, I think all media is slowly moving to cloud based services. Buying a license is in our future. The creators of these properties want to get paid and technology has allowed this to happen.

 

[Nintendesert]

Congrats.. that does nothing for itunes movie / tv / ebooks that are drm protected. I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree. I still buy hard copy books and I always buy discs for my games. However, I think all media is slowly moving to cloud based services. Buying a license is in our future. The creators of these properties want to get paid and technology has allowed this to happen.

There's still a lot of court battles that need to be fought before we're there.

 

[jrphoenix]

There's still a lot of court battles that need to be fought before we're there.

I agree.. the interesting thing is the the EU has already ruled.. US lagging. Link to wikipedia below. They say that a first purchaser can legally sell their licensed product (even though it does not "degrade" like most physical products). The one catch is that the orignal owner must no longer be able to use the licensed product. That has been impossible to implement and seems to be exactly what the xbox one does:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
Application to digital copies



However, in Europe, the European Court of Justice ruled on July 3, 2012, that it is indeed permissible to resell software licenses even if the digital good has been downloaded directly from the Internet, and that the first-sale doctrine applied whenever software was originally sold to a customer for an unlimited amount of time, as such sale involves a transfer of ownership, thus prohibiting any software maker from preventing the resale of their software by any of their legitimate owners.[3][4][5] The court requires that the previous owner must no longer be able to use the licensed software after the resale, but finds that the practical difficulties in enforcing this clause should not be an obstacle to authorizing resale, as they are also present for software which can be installed from physical supports, where the first-sale doctrine is in force.[6][7] The ruling applies to the European Union, but could indirectly find its way to North America; moreover the situation could entice publishers to offer platforms for a secondary market.[4]

 

[KaOTiK]

Angry Joe did an interview with Major Nelson at E3.

He got Nelson a bit pissed and some MS person off screen even cut in saying you can't ask that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo

It was a fair interview and it was funny to see their PR mouthpiece start getting pissy.

 

[HeXen]

Angry Joe did an interview with Major Nelson at E3.

He got Nelson a bit pissed and some MS person off screen even cut in saying you can't ask that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo

It was a fair interview and it was funny to see their PR mouthpiece start getting pissy.

They may make it his last interview too.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Angry Joe did an interview with Major Nelson at E3.

He got Nelson a bit pissed and some MS person off screen even cut in saying you can't ask that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo

It was a fair interview and it was funny to see their PR mouthpiece start getting pissy.

He asked the real questions. We wanna know the truth about the limits. Microsoft doesn't want us to.

I had a laugh when he said "we have great deals on the marketplace" when comparing it to steam. That's ridiculous. Digital games should be cheaper than the disk for sure with many more sales. Most xbox 360 games don't see much of a price drop, on steam you can get 5 games for $50 sometimes. That was the comparison he was looking to make and Major Nelson didn't even touch on it.

 

[ImpulsE69]

That's because their goal isn't anything to do with price matching Steam. It's to create artificial inflation through limiting options using a Steam like model.

 

[HeXen]

This vid cracked me up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzDsYEPkSc4

He asked the real questions. We wanna know the truth about the limits. Microsoft doesn't want us to.

I had a laugh when he said "we have great deals on the marketplace" when comparing it to steam. That's ridiculous. Digital games should be cheaper than the disk for sure with many more sales. Most xbox 360 games don't see much of a price drop, on steam you can get 5 games for $50 sometimes. That was the comparison he was looking to make and Major Nelson didn't even touch on it.

Let's put ourselves in Nelson's shoes for a moment......go ahead, put yourself there, I'll wait......

........He probably has a family to feed ya know..........stay in those shoes.......
..........PR guys are staring at you...........camera in your face, billions of dollars on the line here....c'mon now, get those answers across correctly...........

Now then, how would you answer joe's question? Do we really need to comprehend why he didn't want touch it?

I think it would be more correct to say that MS is targeting a specific audience, more so than ever before. One that has always on broadband and is living the connected, digital lifestyle. It might not be wise for them to say that as they don't want to scare anyone and when your competitor has a rug under your feet to target that same audience and then some. With that I suspect MS may make some slight alterations and adjustments to their initial plans just before release and label it as "clearing up confusion".

 

[KaOTiK]

This vid cracked me up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzDsYEPkSc4

That video is great. I remember watching when both prices were announced but seeing it like that, lol

 

[BladeVenom]

Angry Joe did an interview with Major Nelson at E3.

He got Nelson a bit pissed and some MS person off screen even cut in saying you can't ask that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo

It was a fair interview and it was funny to see their PR mouthpiece start getting pissy.

Haven't seen that much question dodging outside of a political scandal.

 

[cmdrdredd]

This vid cracked me up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzDsYEPkSc4



Let's put ourselves in Nelson's shoes for a moment......go ahead, put yourself there, I'll wait......

........He probably has a family to feed ya know..........stay in those shoes.......
..........PR guys are staring at you...........camera in your face, billions of dollars on the line here....c'mon now, get those answers across correctly...........

Now then, how would you answer joe's question? Do we really need to comprehend why he didn't want touch it?

I think it would be more correct to say that MS is targeting a specific audience, more so than ever before. One that has always on broadband and is living the connected, digital lifestyle. It might not be wise for them to say that as they don't want to scare anyone and when your competitor has a rug under your feet to target that same audience and then some. With that I suspect MS may make some slight alterations and adjustments to their initial plans just before release and label it as "clearing up confusion".

Nice spin...

Could have said "That's something we may look into as we move into the future." Done

Nooo... he dodged entirely.

The most laughable part is the need to actually justify decisions. Never before has there been so many questions of "why?" with a console release with no answers.

 

[purbeast0]

Angry Joe did an interview with Major Nelson at E3.

He got Nelson a bit pissed and some MS person off screen even cut in saying you can't ask that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo

It was a fair interview and it was funny to see their PR mouthpiece start getting pissy.

lol that was a good video. joe asked some really great questions i just wish they could have gotten answered better. all major nelson kept repeating was 'cloud future connected' etc. told us nothing we don't know.

 

[purbeast0]

the news of ki last week got me excited for ki again so i got my cabinet up and running again. installed all new joysticks and buttons today and man it feels SSSSOOOO much better. the joysticks were so loose before and 1 of the buttons was stuck, so i just ordered all new stuff.

i took a video of how the REAL "ultra combo" is announced since there was some confusion in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNP1fHvxaWU