The Official Xbox One Thread

[exdeath]

Bubbles must pop.

 

[purbeast0]

lol exdeath is so sad that people have caught onto his trollish ways that they are now just not paying attentio to him so he's spewing nonsense.

don't worry exdeath i still love you and see you typing!

 

[Arkaign]

Yep, they're by far the most effective salesmen for Sony and Nintendo now, with their incessant blunders and unleashed greed. I would say we should organize some kind of directed effort to help them see the error of their ways, but honestly I'll just be happier watching them stumble and fail with Xbone. 3rd console curse like a boss. They have so much hubris that it makes the Titanic look like the iPod or Big Mac by comparison in terms of long-term success.

Nothing would make me happier than seeing Xbone discontinued after about a year, or Microsoft losing multiple billions keeping it alive. Looks like I'll be entertained by their failure.

 

[badb0y]

And the developers still won't see the money. Bobby Kotick will just have bigger limos while the developers eat ramen.

Activision and EA are as evil or worse than RIAA, I hope this is the catalyst that finally undoes them.

This is the worst part of it all... Sad day.

If PS4 follows suit I am getting the ...... The Wii U.

I just can't support this BS.

 

[Skel]

Ok, thanks for clarifying. Can't blame me fully then for not knowing. I mean all the forums I go to have a deals thread for PSN and the 3DS/Wii U eShop but I pretty much never see an MS deal thread. I could only conclude that it didn't exists or from what it sounds like while it does exists it is pretty pathetic and might as well not overall lol.

Just to clarify, I haven't owned a 360 in years. After my launch one died and was replaced 3 times by MS for RROD's I got rid of it after they sent me the last "fixed" one. I never had a console die on me before or after that and I still have my launch systems for many generations.

If you don't have a 360 odds are you aren't paying attention to Xbox sales threads..

I do have a frustration with the way MS is spoken of in a lot of forums. I find myself defending MS to the point where I start to sound like a fan boy, when all I'm doing is pointing out fact from hate fiction. They fuck up all the time, in ways that make my head hurt, but for whatever reason people want to pile stuff on it that isn't the case. Like "MS will never have sales", or "MS is paying developers not to talk to Sony". The adding of FUD to them is pretty pointless and frustrating, and personally I think it distorts finding the real information. MS doesn't need help in listing the reasons why the new Xbox is shaping up to be a fuck up any more than Win8 does.

And the used game thing is a super fuck up.. they really should have split the physical disk from the digital version. Had they made this licensing stuff for digital only I doubt anyone would care. They could have migrated people to the new way of doing things (as sucky as that is) and avoided this backlash...

 

[Arkaign]

Skel, that's very true. There's no need for made up rumors and BS, when Microsoft's officially stated news on Xbone is already horrendous.

 

[KaOTiK]

If you don't have a 360 odds are you aren't paying attention to Xbox sales threads..

I do have a frustration with the way MS is spoken of in a lot of forums. I find myself defending MS to the point where I start to sound like a fan boy, when all I'm doing is pointing out fact from hate fiction. They fuck up all the time, in ways that make my head hurt, but for whatever reason people want to pile stuff on it that isn't the case. Like "MS will never have sales", or "MS is paying developers not to talk to Sony". The adding of FUD to them is pretty pointless and frustrating, and personally I think it distorts finding the real information. MS doesn't need help in listing the reasons why the new Xbox is shaping up to be a fuck up any more than Win8 does.

And the used game thing is a super fuck up.. they really should have split the physical disk from the digital version. Had they made this licensing stuff for digital only I doubt anyone would care. They could have migrated people to the new way of doing things (as sucky as that is) and avoided this backlash...

I already apologized saying I was wrong. I do pay attention for sales threads regardless of platform though out of curiosity. My overall point stands though that their sales prices will still pale in comparison.

There is plenty of FUD going all around for everything I agree. Some of it is understandable as we don't have 100% info on everything currently, some of it is done so on plain error, and then some just to make things worse.

I was reading that some websites are starting to report that MS is denying them E3 interviews now as well. Also some media sites (not gaming ones) are picking up on the story.

I really think MS didn't expect the shitstorm to hit this level and were hoping a lot of it would pass over quickly but it seems this is going to be a big thing they are going to be bombard with at E3 even though they purposely put the info out ahead of E3 to avoid the negative light there.

 

[Keeper]

I really think MS didn't expect the shitstorm to hit this level and were hoping a lot of it would pass over quickly .

Man, I hope they are not that dense.....
That would conncern me more than there life crushing ways.

 

[Bateluer]

If you don't have a 360 odds are you aren't paying attention to Xbox sales threads..

I do have a frustration with the way MS is spoken of in a lot of forums. I find myself defending MS to the point where I start to sound like a fan boy, when all I'm doing is pointing out fact from hate fiction. They fuck up all the time, in ways that make my head hurt, but for whatever reason people want to pile stuff on it that isn't the case. Like "MS will never have sales", or "MS is paying developers not to talk to Sony". The adding of FUD to them is pretty pointless and frustrating, and personally I think it distorts finding the real information. MS doesn't need help in listing the reasons why the new Xbox is shaping up to be a fuck up any more than Win8 does.

And the used game thing is a super fuck up.. they really should have split the physical disk from the digital version. Had they made this licensing stuff for digital only I doubt anyone would care. They could have migrated people to the new way of doing things (as sucky as that is) and avoided this backlash...

The bolded sounds absurd, but keep in mind that MS has a confirmed history of buying success. They straight bought out developers to develop for the OG Xbox, they bought Nokia to push Windows Phones, they've paid businesses to use Office 365, etc.



It almost seems that like MS reviewed every negative thing they could possibly do with their next gen Xbox, and decided to implement every single one of the. Just, a total cock up at every level.


Sony needs to capitalize on this, fan the flames, play up the things you're no longer able to do with the X1, release ads targeting the Big Brother Kinect, etc. They could cinch this generation before the damn things even ship.

 

[Arkaign]

Yep, GOGOGO Sony! Unless they do the same stuff (they've already said they won't) of course.

If Sony is smart, they can MASSIVELY Bone the Xbone merely by using Microsoft's blunders against themselves. A total failure of Xbone and Microsoft leaving the gaming market would be probably the happiest event in my lifetime next to raising my kids.

 

[Skel]

I already apologized saying I was wrong. I do pay attention for sales threads regardless of platform though out of curiosity. My overall point stands though that their sales prices will still pale in comparison.

There is plenty of FUD going all around for everything I agree. Some of it is understandable as we don't have 100% info on everything currently, some of it is done so on plain error, and then some just to make things worse.

I was reading that some websites are starting to report that MS is denying them E3 interviews now as well. Also some media sites (not gaming ones) are picking up on the story.

I really think MS didn't expect the shitstorm to hit this level and were hoping a lot of it would pass over quickly but it seems this is going to be a big thing they are going to be bombard with at E3 even though they purposely put the info out ahead of E3 to avoid the negative light there.

I didn't mean for that to come across as a attack, and apologize if it did. I was mostly pointing out that some people are making these statements that aren't grounded in reality and then other people grab onto it like it's truth. It causes this weird fiction is suddenly fact hate frenzy that distorts any real talks about what is and is not a cockup. I do agree they aren't as good of sales and honestly don't know if they will be in the future. I also don't have a clue who sets the prices for the digital versions. It could very well be a case of the publishers setting the prices and agreeing/disagreeing on what sales will be.

The bolded sounds absurd, but keep in mind that MS has a confirmed history of buying success. They straight bought out developers to develop for the OG Xbox, they bought Nokia to push Windows Phones, they've paid businesses to use Office 365, etc.

It almost seems that like MS reviewed every negative thing they could possibly do with their next gen Xbox, and decided to implement every single one of the. Just, a total cock up at every level.

Sony needs to capitalize on this, fan the flames, play up the things you're no longer able to do with the X1, release ads targeting the Big Brother Kinect, etc. They could cinch this generation before the damn things even ship.

If somehow Sony didn't capitalize on it, I'd start having serious doubts about Sony. Having said that, I really hope the Xbox One does find it's way to a better place. I don't like having only one major console determining what my gaming future will be like. While it's really easy to get swept up into the "My team vs your team" stuff at the end more teams are better for everyone..

 

[KaOTiK]

While this chart takes pot shots and is meant to kick MS, it does illustrate the point of how ridicioulous it is becoming to play a game on your game console from how it was previously of simply buy game, insert game, play.


Click on it as it is pretty large.

 

[DaveSimmons]

> "MS is paying developers not to talk to Sony"

MS has been paying for exclusives (full and timed) throughout the 360 era, how is that not true?

Titanfall is almost certainly a case where MS paid suitcases full of cash to buy an exclusive, and also paid to have it be a tech demo for their Azure cloud services:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/new-game-from-modern-warfare-creators-is-an-xboxpc-exclusive/

 

[beginner99]

What are their options? I hardly think down clocking is a realistic solution.

Apparently as in that neogaf link someone says it that the eSRAm array is to big for signals to arrive at the cpu int he same clock and hence is not valid anymore. Downclocking GPU would give the signal more time to arrive before next clock cycle...
All in all it sounds like a big engineering fail..also because the chip is just huge and hence yield is obviously an issue.

The always-on thing is just stupid...no xbox for me thats for sure but PS4 was ahead even before this fail.

 

[Midwayman]

A total failure of Xbone and Microsoft leaving the gaming market would be probably the happiest event in my lifetime next to raising my kids.

That's a really weird thing to be happy about.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

While this chart takes pot shots and is meant to kick MS, it does illustrate the point of how ridicioulous it is becoming to play a game on your game console from how it was previously of simply buy game, insert game, play.


Click on it as it is pretty large.

Although correct, the chart is incredibly confusing on purpose. Charts like this should be made in a root formation.

 

[KaOTiK]

Although correct, the chart is incredibly confusing on purpose. Charts like this should be made in a root formation.

I agree it was a bit difficult to follow. It was more to illustrate just how insane it has become though with lots of steps. Use to be buy game, play game, lend game to friend.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Just wait till you have to sit through unskippable trailers, ads and, anti piracy /anti trading ads, etc just to get the start menu like you do with movies. Oh yes..it's coming.

 

[smackababy]

Just wait till you have to sit through unskippable trailers, ads and, anti piracy /anti trading ads, etc just to get the start menu like you do with movies. Oh yes..it's coming.

Just wait til you have to pay for each time you want to play the game or after 12 hours of playing. As soon as the MPAA figures out how to charge per view for movies, games will be next.

 

[Midwayman]

And the used game thing is a super fuck up.. they really should have split the physical disk from the digital version. Had they made this licensing stuff for digital only I doubt anyone would care. They could have migrated people to the new way of doing things (as sucky as that is) and avoided this backlash...

It would have been interesting if they had different prices for transferable vs non transferable licences. I somehow doubt that being able to sell their game would be so important if they had to pay more for it. Im actually surprised how generous they are in the terms announced yesterday. I fully expect it will be mostly a vocal minority that really does anything like boycotting once it launches.

 

[prism]

I personally think that most, if not all of these changes being made by MS is because game prices haven't adjusted with inflation. I remember when I was young seeing new Sega and SNES games for $50-60, and I've read that NES games were the same years earlier. $1 in 1985 would be worth $2.18 today. If games increased with inflation, we'd be paying ~$130 for a new game today. Couple that with MASSIVELY increased development costs and I can see why only the big publishers survive nowadays.

I'm not defending anything or getting on a soapbox, just making an observation.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I personally think that most, if not all of these changes being made by MS is because game prices haven't adjusted with inflation. I remember when I was young seeing new Sega and SNES games for $50-60, and I've read that NES games were the same years earlier. $1 in 1985 would be worth $2.18 today. If games increased with inflation, we'd be paying ~$130 for a new game today. Couple that with MASSIVELY increased development costs and I can see why only the big publishers survive nowadays.

I'm not defending anything or getting on a soapbox, just making an observation.

Things aren't that simple. I don't believe that even high selling games sold anywhere close to the same numbers high sellers do now. They can sell more without spending much more as the cost to make the game basically fixed at that point, it costs pennies to stamp it to a disc. Back then the cost of the game itself was an issue, and that coupled with smaller installed bases meant higher prices. I think even relative to inflation game budgets were a lot smaller back then though.

 

[Skel]

> "MS is paying developers not to talk to Sony"

MS has been paying for exclusives (full and timed) throughout the 360 era, how is that not true?

Titanfall is almost certainly a case where MS paid suitcases full of cash to buy an exclusive, and also paid to have it be a tech demo for their Azure cloud services:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/new-game-from-modern-warfare-creators-is-an-xboxpc-exclusive/

The rumor I was referring to was someone was stating that MS was paying devs not to talk about anything Sony related to the press during E3. It was supposed to create the idea that the games coming out were Xbox exclusives even though they were cross platforms. My bad for not being clearer. It's somewhere in this long tread and complete bullshit. Them buying exclusive games is a long stand tradition done by all manufacturers.

It would have been interesting if they had different prices for transferable vs non transferable licences. I somehow doubt that being able to sell their game would be so important if they had to pay more for it. Im actually surprised how generous they are in the terms announced yesterday. I fully expect it will be mostly a vocal minority that really does anything like boycotting once it launches.

That's the route they really should have taken. Give people a reason to buy into a more restrictive format (like cheaper price and same day availability) and people would have gone for it. Instead some moron decided to restrict everything.

 

[Midwayman]

That's the route they really should have taken. Give people a reason to buy into a more restrictive format (like cheaper price and same day availability) and people would have gone for it. Instead some moron decided to restrict everything.

Well to be fair, we don't know that won't happen. We'll see. I'm still hoping for steam-like sales. I really like DD myself. I haven't bought a PC game in stores in years.

 

[Dominato3r]

MS is is basically putting out all the dirty laundry now so that it they can just show the highlights on the X1 at E3 and that is what the mass media will see. That is the only reason we got the info we did from them today, because there is nothing positive in those bullet points, Each one of those "features" has a negative of some sort.

Sony is in a very interesting position. They could make a big focus point of how they will not require internet access and allow games to be sold/traded/etc like they have been (both of which they confirmed) and basically turn that bad light right back at MS and get the media's attention on it. They could do this with minimal effort and time spent at their conference as a bullet point when they run down some of the features of the system.

In all my years of gaming (around 29 now), the X1 is the first console launch I am not excited for in any way, shape, or form. I've outright wanted a console to fail like I do this one as well. There is too much anti consumerism crap going on here to want to see this have success. If it does have success it is going to pave the road to screw us all over more so in the future.

My question is why doesn't Sony just do it now. Honestly, they could destroy any or all remaining hype for the X1 just by making a blog post on their official website.