it is almost like ms did not realize that quite a few people were willing to spend $60 on a game because they realize they can sell it later for $20 or $30. the used market dictates what the new value is to a lot of people, and it's just like ms simply did not get this concept.
fortunately for him, microsoft has a product that will work offline for him - it's called the xbox360.
-ms dbag staff.
the thing about the drm check though, is they could have done this exactly like they are currently implementing it with games that can both be purchased in store on a physical disc, as well as on the marketplaces (on psn and xbl).
if you get a digital copy, it's locked to your account.
it you have a physical copy, and you want to install it, install it and it simply checks for the disc in the drive or something (like it does now on xbox360) before you play the game, not phone home every 24 hours.
if you have a physical copy, and you want to install it and NOT have to have the disc in, then they can have a key that ships with it, similar to the online-passes. that way it can only be validated once and installed once.
BUT ... and i do know this is a huge caveat and why they didn't do this, it means if you did install it you could sell the disc or give it to someone. basically you could get 2 copies for the price of one.
me personally, i just wish they kept it how it currently is on ps3/360 - you can buy the disc if you want and if you have the disc version, you can install it but need to have the disc in the drive to play.
then they simply make EVERY game downloadable, and if you want to go that route and download it, then you can, and it's tied to your account and can never be sold or anything, just like it is now.
the thing about the drm check though, is they could have done this exactly like they are currently implementing it with games that can both be purchased in store on a physical disc, as well as on the marketplaces (on psn and xbl).
if you get a digital copy, it's locked to your account.
it you have a physical copy, and you want to install it, install it and it simply checks for the disc in the drive or something (like it does now on xbox360) before you play the game, not phone home every 24 hours.
if you have a physical copy, and you want to install it and NOT have to have the disc in, then they can have a key that ships with it, similar to the online-passes. that way it can only be validated once and installed once.
BUT ... and i do know this is a huge caveat and why they didn't do this, it means if you did install it you could sell the disc or give it to someone. basically you could get 2 copies for the price of one.
me personally, i just wish they kept it how it currently is on ps3/360 - you can buy the disc if you want and if you have the disc version, you can install it but need to have the disc in the drive to play.
then they simply make EVERY game downloadable, and if you want to go that route and download it, then you can, and it's tied to your account and can never be sold or anything, just like it is now.
Microsoft has been deeply-discounting games to $15-$20 for a few months now. I got Sleeping Dogs for $15 when it went on sale recently, and I think most people would agree that it's an exceptional game. It has been weirdly under-reported, but it's clear that Microsoft (and to a slightly lesser extent, Sony) has been experimenting with Steam-style discounting.For $59 a game, give me something I own. Want a throw away disposable entertainment model? Then give me $9 games like movie tickets and or allow the console/account/game collection be transferable.
I couldn't agree more. It's the treating of physical discs that you buy for $60 as if they were DD, and requiring internet/full installation for single player games is ludicrously stupid.
They've become the biggest hacking target maybe ever. X1 will probably be hacked day 1 for offline. Why? Because I'm many of the programmers at the devs, who are younger gamers like us, are just as pissed about the stupidity of the whole thing, and enough of them will leak/help with the hacking. It will happen, mark my words. At the latest Dec 31st, but probably launch day or launch week.
Oh, and trusting Microsoft by saying that they won't let the NSA spy on you? LOOOOL. I wouldn't trust Sony either! When the G man comes knocking, you fall in line real damned fast. The history of tech companies, ESPECIALLY MICROSOFT, is that they do whatever they're damned well told. You want to troll through our servers holding customer data? GO AHEAD! They've done it before, no reason to think they're angels now.
I understand your want to keep discs and digital purchases separate, but Microsoft's thinking here is that anything you buy for the X1 is always available to you, anywhere (that has broadband ).
Your description here perfectly described the Vita (forget for a minute that it's portable by nature). Every game is available at retail and digitally. If I were to buy a game at retail, I now need that card anytime I want to play. I can't install it or convert it to digital in any fashion. But if I buy it digital, it's now tied to my account and I can download it on any Vita as long as I put in my password.
I feel the X1 method is an advantage, although I can easily see why some don't think that way. Either way of thinking is valid in my opinion.
Well if you believe Microsoft and the other companies being spied on/data mined/backdoored by the NSA they didn't know about it.
Speaks volumes for their security.
Microsoft has been deeply-discounting games to $15-$20 for a few months now. I got Sleeping Dogs for $15 when it went on sale recently, and I think most people would agree that it's an exceptional game. It has been weirdly under-reported, but it's clear that Microsoft (and to a slightly lesser extent, Sony) has been experimenting with Steam-style discounting.
But, devil's advocate for a second: publisher offers you new AAA blockbuster on XOne for $30, with no resale or gifting allowed, versus $60 on the PS4. Is this necessarily wrong or evil? We're so busy imagining a worst case scenario that we don't really listen to Microsoft's point: they're enabling new business models that might not be so bad for the customer. *shrugs*
No, it's not an advantage if it's FORCED. That's the whole point.
Offer the option to treat a game disc bought at retail as a classic disc-verify offline game (military problem solved instantly btw, along with crappy internet, if you do away with the ludicrously stupid online mandatory check), and offer the alternative to download the game full DD for a slightly cheaper price.
DROP THE ONLINE CHECK REQUIREMENT. This is ONLY going to harm regular consumers, and artificially limit the Xbone's market, driving millions upon millions to PS4. Hackers will do what the hell they want anyway, you think it's not gonna be cracked for unlimited offline play? Hell, the full game install with no disc takes some of the work out of it for them already!
i think that if the normal retail price of x1 games was $40 and not $60, you would NOT be seeing this kind of backlash, if any at all. heck, maybe even if it was $50. but it's not, the prices on preorders is $60 as usual.
i also think the whole "privacy" thing is blown way out of proportion. i'd be willing to bet that the majority of people who are complaining about it have a facebook and google account as well.
This guy was smart, traded in his 360 and all of his games to pre-order the PS4 and still have $123 left
http://imgur.com/a/TKP6b
Yep. They have no chance but to adapt, or to die horribly in the marketplace. There simply aren't enough idiots willing to plunk down $500+++ to make this boondoggle survivable as a project for them.
EVEN if they change everything RIGHT NOW, it will be an uphill battle with crap hardware and supremely bad market sentiment. Microsoft is more hated right now than Al Qaeda, more reviled than child rapists. It's going to take a lot for them to undo their BS.
The really stupid thing is how unnecessary all of this was. One reasonable guy in management could have said 'hey, this is a really bad judgment call, let's rethink this before we go all out'. Adam's leaks on twitter were a perfect learning time for them, and they simply double and triple dipped on dumb.
If they don't change at all, it's going to be highly satisfying seeing them utterly destroyed.
This guy was smart, traded in his 360 and all of his games to pre-order the PS4 and still have $123 left
http://imgur.com/a/TKP6b
just curious why you continue to troll the xbox1 thread.
what does trading a 360 bundle in for a ps4 have to do with the xbox1?